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UPDATE: Capuano has allegedly signed with the Dodgers for two years, $10 million. Share your favorite memories of the 16 hours or so when we thought he'd be Minnesota's 4th or 5th starter below.

Object Name: Chris Capuano

Type: Low Risk, High Reward

Position: Starting Pitcher

Reason for Frenzy: Strib beat writer LaVelle E Neal III Tweeted this right about when Nick Kroll was doing the Corndog dance on FX's The League last night:

Twins are Interested in lefty Chris Capuano, who was with the Mets last year. Great pickoff move. Has had two Tommy John surgeries.

The Skinny: the most recent of the two TJ surgeries was in 2008. His last quality season would arguably have been 2006 (top ten NL in WHIP and WAR for pitchers). Spent last season with the New York Metropolitans, where he threw 186 innings and went 11-12 with an ERA just under 5.00; as Ben Nicholson-Smith of MLB Trade Rumors notes, however, advanced stats suggest he pitched more than a full run better than that. He made $1.5 million last year and is said to be looking for a multi-year deal, which, per Adam Rubin of ESPN, is why the Mets are not looking to keep him on board .

Downside: graduated from Duke. I hate Duke.

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As I said in the previous thread

This kind of move strikes me as activity for its own sake. I can’t really see any reason why Capuano should be expected to be any better then Kevin Slowey next season. So why spend money on a guy like this? You already have guys like this.

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by Eric in Madison on Dec 2, 2011 10:17 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Because the people who run the Twins don’t hate Chris Capuano as much as they (allegedly) hate Kevin Slowey?

by RandBall's Stu on Dec 2, 2011 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Why is Capuano a better bet than Slowey?

Capuano is lefthanded
Capuano threw 186 innings last year
Capuano had the better K rate

by DJL44 on Dec 2, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

OK, I'll bite

being left-handed doesn’t strike me as relevant to him being a better or worse bet.
Capuano threw 186 innings last year; he also hadn’t thrown that many since 2006.
Capuano had a better K rate; Slowey had the better BB rate.

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by Eric in Madison on Dec 2, 2011 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd take K rates over BB rates any day

One of the reasons Slowey has a low walk rate is he gives up a lot of hits. His inability to strike people out leads to a lot of long innings and short starts.

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by cmathewson on Dec 2, 2011 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Personally . . .

I would expect my left nut to do better than Kevin Slowey next year.

by That'sWhatSheSaid on Dec 2, 2011 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

TWSS

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by myjah on Dec 2, 2011 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

But your hand will be nowhere near Slowey next year.

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 2, 2011 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I have no problem with this move

depending on the price. It could easily be a Pavano 2.0 move. I’d still prefer Buehrle but Capuano could be able to step in and make 30+ starts and eat around 200 innings.

by Gunnarthor on Dec 2, 2011 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

I think Capuano

is the best value play (starting pitcher wise) out there on the market. Whoever signs him will likely be pleasantly surprised at what they got for the money. I am hoping that my team can sign him but he seems like someone that will fall through the cracks to a smart team like the Twins.

by Xeifrank on Dec 2, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Samwell?

Is that you?

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 2, 2011 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

it's all relative

My free agent world has been molded and formed by Ned Colletti and Frank McCourt. Perhaps smartER would’ve been the word of choice here. :)

by Xeifrank on Dec 2, 2011 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Start

Capuano can provide them flexibility as they go forward. Won’t break the bank, will allow somebody to get slid to the pen, and adds an extra capable starter so the team can make more aggressive changes with the help of trades, which is still what I’m hoping for.

It sort of depends on how they follow it up I guess. If they just sign Capuano and sit, I’ll kind of wonder how serious they were about making a difference, if they make mroe changes after that, this could be a clever piece to a larger picture.

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by AdamOnFirst on Dec 2, 2011 10:44 AM EST reply actions  

It does depend on the price

“Won’t break the bank” is not yet established.

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Dec 2, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Not totally exciting

but a clone of any Twins pitcher. I guess if we can’t get anyone else he’ll do.

The beard abides.

by Jason Kubel's Beard on Dec 2, 2011 10:46 AM EST reply actions  

the term “clone” came to mind for me about this too. Which is exactly what the Twins don’t need in their rotation. Need someone with different stuff and a different approach to break up their current crop of pitch-to-contact guys in 4 of 5 spots.

by MNTwinsGUFS on Dec 2, 2011 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Decent low-risk fifth starter

186 innings and a 4 xFIP in the NL is worth more than $3 million, if you listen to others on this board. If we can get him for less than that, I’m fine with that.

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by cmathewson on Dec 2, 2011 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

I love Duke...

so that’s a major plus, not a minus, to me. :)

Would be nice to have two geniuses in the rotation (Slowey being the other one).

by DJSkillz on Dec 2, 2011 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

people who don't like Duke...

are just jealous of their intellects. :)

by DJSkillz on Dec 2, 2011 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

It must be quite difficult

For those who dislike Duke to be jealous of their own intellects.

by amiller92 on Dec 2, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

haha...

touche.

I really don’t get the hate for Duke from many. They’re a great institution, and they do everything with class.

by DJSkillz on Dec 2, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't hate Duke

But they’re just a little to perfect, you know? And people find that annoying.

by amiller92 on Dec 2, 2011 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not that they're too perfect

It’s that they think they’re perfect. But I’ve seen a Powerpoint presentation that indicates that not all of them are good in bed. Totally classy!

by ColossusOfRhode on Dec 2, 2011 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha

I was gonna bring that up, but didn’t feel like getting into the Duke war.

by archie2227 on Dec 2, 2011 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Then you have to wonder where Quagmire went to school.

That is because he is nasty good in bed, and you need to have some college to be a pilot.

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by Jessy S on Dec 2, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure who you're referring to (Family Guy?)

And I don’t know how you know that first bit… and I really, really don’t want to know.

by ColossusOfRhode on Dec 2, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Duke isn't that impressive

University of Wisconsin Madison impresses me more.

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by myjah on Dec 2, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

hahahahahahahahahaha

umm, ya..very impressive university that is.

hahahahahahahahahaha

by DJSkillz on Dec 2, 2011 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

A game of Lacrosse, anyone?

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 2, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

And klassy!

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 2, 2011 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Does this seem like the Twins Way™? I think not! We don't need a thinker - we need a pitcher! Send him to Detroit where him and Delmon can have book club together!!!!111!!!

Capuano graduated from St. Thomas School in West Springfield in 8th grade. 4 years later, Capuano was the valedictorian of his class at Cathedral High School in Springfield, Massachusetts and went on to earn a degree in Economics at Duke University, where he earned membership in Phi Beta Kappa. He was also a brother of the Xi Chapter of Alpha Tau Omega fraternity.

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by Go Twins! on Dec 2, 2011 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

He apparently "pitches to contact"

If his ERA and ability to give up HRs is any indication.

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 2, 2011 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

his k/9

That’s been pretty decent through out his career… He’s kept it over 8 for a few seasons… There’s some nice upside there.

by diehardtwinsfan on Dec 2, 2011 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

He went to Duke and was in ATO?

Is he comfortable playing for a team that doesn’t have white hats and popped collars?

by ColossusOfRhode on Dec 2, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

So...

You’re saying he’s a total bro?

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by d-mac on Dec 2, 2011 4:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Saw him pitch a few times

When he was with the Brewers and I had a Nationals ticket package. He was dominating at times back then, at least against the terrible Nats, but looking at his stats there’s nothing too impressive.

I guess I’d call it low-risk, medium reward. He can probably contribute and be inexpensive, which I generally like, but he wasn’t isn’t really an upgrade.

by amiller92 on Dec 2, 2011 11:07 AM EST reply actions  

But the last time they attached this to him....

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by Go Twins! on Dec 2, 2011 11:11 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Gotcha

At least we hope. I’m assuming the Twins won’t throw a boatload of cash if they signed him, but I’ve been wrong before.

by Joshua P on Dec 2, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Capuano has a few things working in his favor.

He posts decent strikeout numbers and gets an above average number of swings and misses. Good command. He gets hitters to chase his pitch fairly well, and has a history of inducing a good number of infield fly balls. His FIP in 2011 was 4.04. His xFIP was 3.67.

$3 million for one year is a fair offer. If he wants two years I’d guarantee him less money (we’d be paying for his age 33 and 34 seasons) but offer those incentives: two years, $5.5 million with bonuses for innings pitched, games started, awards.

by Jesse on Dec 2, 2011 11:18 AM EST reply actions  

I would do that.

I like Capuano, and that seems like a reasonable amount.

by Caleb A on Dec 2, 2011 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

2 years $6M

Much better deal than signing a veteran bullpen guy for the same money.

by DJL44 on Dec 2, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Options

I’d have no problem giving him an option with a raise that escalates based on innings pitched or something like that. He wants a multi year deal… That seems to be the easiest way to give him one.

by diehardtwinsfan on Dec 2, 2011 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah.

Thanks for clearing that up. Hopefully no maintenance is required.

by Joshua P on Dec 2, 2011 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

Low risk, decent upside says it all

Actually strikes guys out at a better clip than 4/5 of our rotation last year. I dunno if he’s a 2 year 2-3 million per year that seems like a decent risk to take.

It really depends on what comes next. Do we flip Pavano to save money and use that money for a more top end starting pitcher? If the plan is to move Duensing to the bullpen then it would be nice to have another lefty in the rotation just to mix it up a little. So he’s not a bad guy to have on the team especially at what should be an affordable rate.

The bad. He made it into the 7th inning in only 10 of his games last year and into the 8th only twice as opposed to Pavano getting into the 7th 23 times last year and the 8th 10 times. He gets hammered in players 3rd at bat against him as well.

These could be lingering effects of the Tommy John surgeries as well. Maybe his stamina will get better a year removed who knows. So while he’s not a bad option and the peripherals look nice, he could be a bullpen eater rather than an innings eater as some have suggested.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Dec 2, 2011 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

Heath Bell is a Marlin now eh?

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by Go Twins! on Dec 2, 2011 11:34 AM EST reply actions  

9 million per year

The Wolves are like the worst meal you've ever had--terrible while you're eating it and even worse later.

by Eric in Madison on Dec 2, 2011 11:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Well they do have warm weather, a new ballpark, and no state income tax.

So it’s an attractive place to go, especially if your the type that goes to clubs. The only down side is they have to wear those hideous new uni’s. They seriously look like McDonald’s add from the early 90’s, It reminds me of the happy meals I’d get as a kid.

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by d-mac on Dec 2, 2011 11:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I think BLS got it wrong

Looks like BASEketball copied the Miami Vice logo, so really, they predicted the 80’s.

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 2, 2011 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Or BASEketball

which I seen in another article somewhere.

by Joshua P on Dec 2, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

by that do you mean...

they will also be incredibly overrated and never win a title?

by DJSkillz on Dec 2, 2011 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

This will be the year

I don’t really think they were overrated. They actually overachieved in their first year.

by Joshua P on Dec 2, 2011 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

will never win a title..

with Lebron James as the focal point. Never.

by DJSkillz on Dec 2, 2011 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Jordan's a different animal...

Kobe and Jordan are almost exactly the same; both have the will to win and take the big shots. Lebron doesn’t. I’m not sure he’s even the best player on his own team because of that; I’d rather have Wade take the big shots than Lebron.

by DJSkillz on Dec 2, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

What?! Nobody picked up on the League reference.

Shame on you all!

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by d-mac on Dec 2, 2011 4:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Mark Buehrle would be better but … he’s probably going to move to the NL somewhere.

I don’t think we should give up on Slowey just yet. He’s young, throws strikes and is a decent pitcher if he can stay healthy (which should happen if we get a new training staff). Slowey seems to have pitched the best when he was working at a Mark Buehrle pace and not a Joe Nathan “fiddle with a billion things before I get ready to pitch” pace.

by Dan Cao on Dec 2, 2011 11:58 AM EST reply actions  

Slowey's been bad for a long time now

But agree on Buehrle. He’d be a fun little addition.

by Gunnarthor on Dec 2, 2011 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Bad trajectory

I want to side with Slowey, but another conversation had me looking at Ron Davis’s career with the Twins, and Slowey suddenly looks like he could be on that same path – or maybe 2011 was already Slowey’s version of Davis’s 1986, just about. Davis never turned it around again after that. Hate to say it, but some players think too much.

by AshburyJohn on Dec 2, 2011 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

OK, I'll bite

Why? One is an accomplished durable pitcher who, according to most scouts, should age well. The other is … the opposite.

by Gunnarthor on Dec 2, 2011 12:28 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed.

If you would have said I would rather take a chance on Slowey, for the money, the age difference, etc. then fine… but nothing career-wise would make you think Slowey will ever put a season like any average Buehrle season.

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by Al Damlo on Dec 2, 2011 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Buehrle is...

was, and always will be highly overrated.

by DJSkillz on Dec 2, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

yep.

11 consecutive years of 30+ starts, 200+ innings, a 5-1 K/bb ratio, sub 1.3 whip… balance to both sides of the plate and a propencity to pitch late in games. Definitely overrated… He is the anti-Twin and we would have no purpose for a guy like that in Minnesota.

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by Al Damlo on Dec 2, 2011 1:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Highly overrated by whom?

I didn’t think he was that well-thought of, except by a few announcers who like quick-paced games. I’ve always thought he was underrated.

by Caleb A on Dec 2, 2011 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he's always been overrated...

like articles about him being the “best lefthanded pitcher in the game” or a “lock for the HOF” as seen on ESPN in the last couple of years, based solely on a couple of no-hitters.

He’s a solid starter, but nothing special IMO.

by DJSkillz on Dec 2, 2011 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe I've been surrounded by too many Twins fans who hate him.

I agree that he is more solid than spectacular, but consistency and durability rank high in my book. With 11 straight seasons of 200+ IP with an ERA+ of over 120 in 7 of those, you could make a case for HoF. Plus, he’s only 32, and probably has several competitive years ahead of him to add to those totals.

I still think he would fit well with the Twins (for a reasonable price of course), assuming he could accept the thought of becoming a Twin (which isn’t likely).

by Caleb A on Dec 2, 2011 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Real world contracts

In a world where Bruce Chen gets a 2 year deal for $9M, why does anyone think Capuano can be signed for $2-3M on a one year deal or $5.5M for two years?

Or, for that matter, trade away Pavano and use the freed-up money to get someone better? Front line talent costs $10M and up these days.

That said, I agree with the “low risk” part of this equation, but I’m not seeing the “high reward” part. Capuano’s not going to challenge to become a staff ace, wherever he goes. Come playoff time, will the Yankees or BoSox or Rangers or Rays tremble when they look ahead and see Capuano as the guy they’ll face in game 2 or 3?

Does anyone else get nervous at the idea of adding a guy to the Twins pitching staff whose name starts with the letters C-a-p?

by AshburyJohn on Dec 2, 2011 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

I see your point

but in our last two series against the Yanks, Blackburn, Baker and Pavano all pitched well enough. Duensing, Liriano, Crain and Nathan generally didn’t. While I’d prefer to have a staff like Phillies (out in the first round!) solid, dependable starters (of which I think Capuano can be) are highly underrated. And we got knocked out by the Yanks b/c our offense couldn’t hit.

by Gunnarthor on Dec 2, 2011 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Apart from my joke linking Capuano and Capps by their last names...

I think you and I are actually saying about the same thing. And if having a pitcher like Capuano is highly underrated, you can bet that some team out of the 30 in MLB will bid his price up to where it’s not underrated anymore. As witnessed by the $10M of guaranteed money he’s going to get from the Dodgers for 2 years.

by AshburyJohn on Dec 3, 2011 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Haha

Jim Bowden reported the same. Team and details to come. Cliffhanger.

by archie2227 on Dec 2, 2011 1:02 PM EST up reply actions  

$5 million a year is overpaying. Dodgers are ridiculous.

by Dan Cao on Dec 2, 2011 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Why?

Seems about market rate.

by Gunnarthor on Dec 2, 2011 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

If ...

guaranteeing $10M over 2 years to a guy with little MLB success, horrible injury history and who is generally regarded as having “average” stuff is about “Market Value” then the owners need to re-evaluate their latest CBA… I would have like the Twins to sign him (mildly) but this seems about 50% high… at least.

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by Al Damlo on Dec 2, 2011 1:24 PM EST up reply actions  

Well

Just going by WAR value (admittedly, I don’t much care for) 10m for two years is about what it should have taken. His stuff might not have been great but he got better than league avg chase rates on it. And he seems capable of eating innings. Pavano got 2/18.5 and was a few years older. I think the Dodgers did fine and he should fit in in their park.

by Gunnarthor on Dec 2, 2011 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

The owners don't need to re-evaluate anything

What that tells you is MLB is ROLLING in cash

by DJL44 on Dec 2, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I guess they are...

but the Dodgers certainly aren’t! :)

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by Al Damlo on Dec 2, 2011 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Sure they are

They were just mismanaged and someone was lining their pockets.

by Joshua P on Dec 2, 2011 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I dunno... maybe I am wrong...

Here is what I think Capuano’s agent’s last call to him sounded like:
Agent: “Great news Chris, we have 3 offers for you”
CC: “That’s great, what Teams?”
Agent: “The Mets, the Twins and the Dodgers”
CC: “The Twins? Really? That would be great. I would love to pitch in that park, I really like coach Anderson and I think I would fit in well with that team.”
Agent: “The Mets and the Twins both offered 1 year deals for $3.5M.”
CC: “Hmmm… okay?”
Agent: “I insisted that the Dodgers offered a 2 year deal or we wouldn’t accept it. 2 years, $10M guaranteed.”
CC: “LA it is! I have always wanted to play for…. blah blah blah”

I just don’t see other teams offering this much guaranteed money for him…

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by Al Damlo on Dec 2, 2011 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

When does the frenzy start?

I can’t wait!

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