Twins Winter Meeting Notes: Cuddyer, Buerhle, Pujols
Update, 3:50 pm
Mark Buerhle to the Marlins. 4 years, $58 million, says Ken Rosenthal.
Update, 1:08 pm - It sounds like southpaw Erik Bedard is close to signing a one-year contract with the Pirates for $4.5 million dollars. If the Twins plan on signing decent pitching at affordable prices, the boats have started sailing here too.
Update, 12:30 pm
Not much on the Twins front, but some interesting things throughout the rest of baseball.
Item #1
-Bryan Hoch, who covers the Yankees for MLB.com tweeted one of the best things you Twins fans will probably read today. "Heard Nakajima's bat could be better than Twins' Nishioka, but not as good a fielder". So, that's kind of fun. Also, this obviously means the Yankees won the rights to Nakajima.
Item #2
-Dan Knobler of CBSSports.com believes that if the Marlins don't get Albert Pujols, they'll make a hard run at Prince Fielder. Their rotation is apparently set as is, so they don't need to worry about spending more money there. The Rangers have apparently also expressed interest in Fielder, but would have to work on a deal that wasn't so long, according to Jon Heyman.
That's all I've got for now. Let's hope something fun happens before the 6 o'clock roundup!
Update, 10:40 am - The Rockies and Padres will complete a trade which will send Huston Street and his $7.5 million salary to San Diego for a player to be named later. This PTBNL is likely to be a non-prospect since the Padres are picking up Street's tab. With Street's obvious availability, and with Ryan's insistance that the organization was looking externally for a proven closer, I do find it somewhat odd that Minnesota wasn't mentioned at all. Target Field would play well for Street, whereas Coors Field was a hell hole for him (and nearly every other pitcher, cough, Kevin Slowey, cough).
Update, 10:20 am - Per LEN III, the Twins will be in attendance for Joel Zumaya's workout next week. Zumaya throws hard and can strike batters out, but needs a year or two to rebuild value and prove he can throw 60 innings without his arm falling off.
8 am updates...
The Twins haven't been talked about much this morning (yet!) at the Winter Meetings in Dallas, and most of the attention is still on the whole Pujols-to-Miami-maybe situation, but there are a couple Twins notes from last night's roundup that we can discuss today (and more Pujols. Everyone wants more Pujols).
Notes after the jump.
Item #1
-Jon Heyman tweeted yesterday that Mark Buerhle has narrowed his field down to 5 teams, including the Twins, Marlins, Nationals, Rangers, and Mets. He's apparently looking for a 4-year deal, which may seem like a lot, but he's pitched more than 200 innings every year since 2001.
Item #2
-Heyman again tweeted that the Twins offered Michael Cuddyer a 3-year, $25 million offer, but that he hadn't taken it yet. The Twins were supposed to meet with Cuddyer's agent last night and are asking for a resolution to their offer. Today should be when we find out if Cuddyer stays a Twin or not.
Item #3
-According to David O'Brien and the St. Louis Dispatch's Cards reporter, the Cardinals have offered Albert Pujols near $220 million for a 10-year deal. The newly cash-happy Miami Marlins are still offering their 10-year, $200 million contract as well. Ed Note: That is absolutely insane, and I don't care how good Pujols is, you don't give a 31 year old a 10 year contract, whaaaat?!
I'll keep you guys updated if anything big happens before noon or so, but in the meantime, feel free to discuss what little Twins news there is coming out of the Winter Meetings.
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If Ryan snags a free agent
like Buehrle, or Jackson, or a good reliever, or a guy like Willingham – then I’ll believe him when he says he’s trying to build a contender for 2012. Adding a 24-year old AA player to the 40-man roster, signing Capps, and going after Cuddyer in spite of his limitations and the two draft picks he would bring does not scream: building a contender.
I'm just happy he's active early
His MO for a lot of years was to wait for the market to shake out and then sign the bargain-basement guys.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
I agree.
I’ll be more satisfied if he gets some things done.
Seems to be more of a state of urgency this year. When expectations are to be a contender annually and you ink Mauer to a big deal, you don’t expect to finish near the bottom of the entire league.
What's the difference.
we signed the left over guys early, that all. Now, if he signed a big name early, that would be a big change. We’re still waiting to see if we’ll sign a big name this year.
by b1 on Dec 7, 2011 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
The difference is taking your pick,
versus taking the best of what’s left…which usually isn’t very good. Sometimes you get lucky (Thome, Hudson), but usually you don’t.
+1
A lot of winters, we were signing guys like Rondell White and Ruben Sierra in January and early February. This year, we went out and got the guys we wanted. ANd I expect a couple of big signings are yet to come.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
They already had one of their big signings
Matt Capps, followed by Michael Cuddyer. They’ll add a starting pitcher, a backup outfielder and call it a day. 80 wins here we come!
That strategy was a HUGE success in 2010
I will grant you that Ryan had generally poor luck with the bargain basement types (Rondell White, etc.), but it’s not always a bad idea.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
I think you need to do both
I just didn’t like their attitude that they wouldn’t even try to sign guys until the market was set, at which point all the best talent was gone.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
True
They can actually afford to splurge on an early signing now, so it makes sense to do occasionally. I like the Buehrle idea.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
Would Buerhle really be a possibility?
As much as I hate myself for it (and oh, how I do…), I wouldn’t mind seeing him in the Twins’ rotation. He’s a really effective innings-eater.
My feelings exactly.
And he’s one of the only veteran pitchers who it’s not really that scary to give 4 years to.
by KLP on Dec 7, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions
It would be too good to be true.
Let loose the hogs of war!
Dogs of war..
Whatever farm animal of war, Lana...
Personally, I hate the guy
On the field, I’d love him on our team. It’s like AJ. Hate him. Loved him as a Twin. He’s the guy in All-Star Wrestling everyone boos, like Baron von Rasche. You love to hate him.
Personally, I love Cuddy. On the field, I do not love him.
I’m all about performance on the field.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
At least games
would be 2, maybe 2 hours and 15 minutes.
I remember one game
Where a big storm system was headed for Minneapolis, but they decided to start on time anyway because Buehrle and Pavano were pitching. Twins won, the game took right around two hours, and then the floodgates of heaven opened up right on schedule.
Steve Goodman lives.
I remember that one too.
But the game would have started regardless of what happened, even if it were the Yankees vs the Twins and the floodgates opened in the top of the sixth.
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"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
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10 years $200M for Pujols isn't bad
Consider that he’s probably worth $32M to a team on a 1 year deal. Shave off 10% a year
$32M+$30M+$27M+$24.5M+$22M+$20M+$18M+$16M+$14.5M = $204M for 9 years. The last year is free!
I think we can cut Cuddyer some slack with contract negotiations considering the events in his life the last week.
That's how I'd like to see Cuddy's Deal
Assuming 3/$24 go $10m y1, $8m y2, $6m y3. I will never understand why more contracts aren’t structured that way.
The time value of money
Money up front is worth more than money in the future due to inflation and higher projected future revenues. For financial reasons teams will always backload contracts.
Yeah Front loaded contracts look like they make sense
why would you pay someone $6m at 34 and $10 at 37 when clearly they are in their decline. But good old inflation says that $10m is more today than $10m in 2014 and let’s face it the Dollar is not getting any stronger.
JIM JAMS BUSINESS IS MASHING TATERS, AND BUSINESS IS GOOD!!!
Simple
The team would rather it be the other way. $10 mil two years from now is worth less than $10 mil today.
Flip side is true for the players, thus pretty steady compensation.
it's actually by rule...
the CBA/MLBPA don’t allow for contract structures like that. Which is really dumb, because money up front is more valuable for the player obviously.
Heard nothing so far about Carlos Beltran.
Or Carlos Pena. Both of those guys could be very useful bats for somebody.
Market is still waiting on Pujols and Fielder
This has been a very slow developing free agent market. I think the new CBA held everything up.
And probably still is.
I think teams are working out exactly how draft pick compensation might affect them, particularly in regards to cap bonuses.
I think it's mainly about those top guys...
both for agents waiting for the markets to develop after the top guys sign (whatever team loses out on Pujols will have a boatload of money it’s itching to spend) and for the agencies themselves. Dan Lozano, for instance, is obviously going to prioritize on Pujols before he moves next to Jimmy Rollins, etc.
that new system is just awful for so many reasons...
1) your team cap doesn’t change with more picks? that makes no sense.
2) and the biggest reason; why do we want to drive more of our best athletes away from baseball and towards football and basketball? because that’s what this will do. same as the rumored international draft down the road.
baseball and bud selig have screwed the pooch on this one in a big way IMO.
Also...
Arbitration – 22 guys have to make decisions by tonight.
Rule 5 draft – Any targets the Twins might look at?
Ramirez – Trade over switching positions?
The Twins will target toolsy, raw power pitchers in the Rule V.
Anyone they think they might be able to plug into the bullpen.
We won’t be able to afford Hanley – Besides, the Twins have already said Danny Valencia is the 3rd baseman of the future.
Someone needs to teach Danny to NEVER SWING AT DOWN AND AWAY though… and to get more hits than the clutch game-winning/walk-off ones.
plus Hanley would make Gardy's head explode...
not a “Twins guy” unfortunately. Man, I hate Gardy.
Jesse, wouldn’t count out a good utility guy or a potential starter for depth for 2013 and beyond; a guy akin to Diamond last year that you can stash as a longman for the year but could develop into a starter.
Yeah I agree.
“Not our type of guy”
I don’t think we’d even have a chance or desire to get him. Just curious if he gets dealt and where. Ozzie sure lobbying that he’ll be a gold glove 3rd baseman, obviously in an attempt to smooth things out.
If they can do that, maybe they can teach Cuddyer the same thing. The down and
away pitches part.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!!!
I go into convulsions everytime I see him strikeout down and away
JIM JAMS BUSINESS IS MASHING TATERS, AND BUSINESS IS GOOD!!!
Cuddy and Valencia.
I yelled at Valencia to not swing at down and away when I sat in row 1 of the 3rd base line at Target field after the Delmon Young trade, when Verlander pitched.
I think Valencia listened because the first pitch was down and away. lol.
It's called a good breaking pitch
If they constantly lay off those pitches they’re going to get rung up on fastballs. Believe it or not, but it’s really hard to pick up a major league slider.
It's not a good breaking pitch
It’s any breaking pitch down and away against Cuddy and Valencia that get them swinging.
Major leaguers have pretty good breaking pitches
They weed out the guys who don’t have a breaking ball.
His daily gratuitous strikeout
He’s never learned to recognize the slider from a right hander. That’s why his platoon splits are so extreme.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Kuuuubel!!!
Why aren’t you picking up on those left handers?!?!
by twinscrazy_german on Dec 7, 2011 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Good one.
"Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona." ~George F. Will
Just looking to the right
Tim McCarver selected for Ford Frick. Next, they’ll put Joe Buck in the Hall. Sheesh.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
They finally pick Santo - good
They somehow pick McCarver – bad
The consistency in HoF picks is bewildering.
I think we should sign Mark Buerhle (his last name is so difficult to spell, wtf?).
If we have a rotation of:
1. Buerhle
2. Pavano
3. Liriano
4. Baker
5. Blackburn
We would be in very good shape.
You have 2 veterans leading the way and setting the pace for the young-guns. You have a lefty to help out Liriano not be so damn erratic too.
Sure, 4 years and probably $40+ mil for Buerhle is going to be expensive… but you need a guy like him to help out such an injury-prone rotation.
At least it's better than 2011 and probably 2010.
Jackson in no way will be cheaper than Buerhle. He’s a Boras client.
Name five better rotations in the AL
Mediocre means middle of the road, no?
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Why does it only have to be in the AL?
I’m sure I can name 10 better rotations across baseball.
Mediocre, steady.
I would say the Angels have the best rotation in the AL.
Here's my ranking.
1. Philadelphia
2. Atlanta
3. San Francisco
4. Detroit
5. LA Angels
6. Yankees
7. White Sox
8. Boston
9. Tampa Bay
10. Texas
I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
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I'd rather have Jackson
and I think he’d be cheaper too.
by diehardtwinsfan on Dec 7, 2011 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Also... Jackson is like Liriano
He walks guys. A lot. And is really erratic.
+1
Or, talented but still growing into their potential??
Edwin Jackson
In 9 seasons (8 full?) in the MLB he has a 1.88 SO/BB ratio and a 1.4ish WHIP.
That’s not potential anymore. That’s him being him.
The last three years, his SO/BB ratio is better
2009: 2.32
2010: 2.30
2011: 2.39
That’s Edwin being Edwin. I would ignore what happened when he was young.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
sure, but it's better...
and he’s been a pretty damn solid pitcher the last couple years; similar to CJ Wilson really when you factor in defense/luck.
sure he is...
but I’d still rather have him than Buehrle over the next 3-4 years.
Not me. Wilson has been a starter for 1 year. Established relief pitcher though… which means little wear and tear on him, at the moment… but Buerhle is still better.
past does not portend the future
age/use are on the side of jackson/wilson going forward.
which is why i said use
(reliever innings) in his case.
Yes, but it's half again better than you quoted
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
I think Jackson gets overpaid a lot
Boras will get someone to give him 5 years and he’ll use Wilson’s deal as the benchmark. I’d be more than happy w/Buerhrle.
I don't know about that
For some reason (perhaps unfair), I just don’t have faith in Jackson as someone who will be consistent for the long term.
With Buerhle, you know what you are getting. He’s going to be what he is, and that’s a very good if unspectacular consistent pitcher. He’s Pavano but better.
yes, but you aren't getting much
You are getting an innings eater, much like the innings eaters we already have. We don’t need more guys like that, we need less.
by diehardtwinsfan on Dec 7, 2011 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
huh?
We have only one “innings eater” and that’s Pavano.
A healthy Blackburn can be
"I learned something yesterday. No use in having rules if there's no punishment for breaking them. You'll be fine if you bite down on the trigger. Enjoy your breakfast."
You need stable and consistent
Buerhle is stable and consistent AND eats up innings.
Think about the rest of our rotation apart from Pavano.
Not any one of our current rotation members have pitched over 200 innings more than once in their career.
We have durability issues with Liriano (weird jerky pitching motion/tommy john surgery/sore shoulder).
We have elbow issues with Baker (DL’d like 3 times last year with elbow problems; 2010 spent time on DL with elbow problems);
We have Blacky who has had all sorts of forearm/elbow/control issues.
Slowey was not durable at all either.
Duensing was thrown into a rotation expected to throw 200 innings but wore down (imo) due to never thrown more than 200 innings in his MLB career (excluding Minors).
Scratch that… none of our starters have ever eclipsed over 200 innings TWICE in their entire career. MLB or Minors.
I just don't value that as much I guess...
180 innings or so is plenty to me, which is something I think we will get from Baker/Liriano this year, plus 200 from Pavano. I’m more about quality than quantity. Which is why I’ve always favored a model of mixing in multiple guys, or the Harden/Bedard/1-2 other approach to fill 2 slots. We’ve discussed this before, but I’d love to see a team go with essentially a 8-9 man rotation mixing in pitchers 3 innings at a time, and still have a short bullpen. I think it would work.
If Bert Blyleven saw your comment:
Bert would call you a pansy and a fool.
Pitching 3 innings at a time is ridiculous. You need time to warm up and get your groove on and find out what’s working for you in those first 3 innings…
How can anyone hate Bert?
That’s messed up.
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#OccupyTwinkieTown
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 7, 2011 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Annoyed by, yes, hate, no
He’s a loveable numbskull.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
maybe hate is too strong...
“strongly dislike” his broadcasts and whining about pitch counts and circling people?
not really..
i’ve never liked him as an announcer.
Dick and Bert were the only reason I watched games
sometimes….
Gotta love the banter.
"Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona." ~George F. Will
So you're saying you enjoy several cold ones before games?
It’s the only way I can “enjoy” the banter.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Agreed
That’s not a bad rotation and with a little luck/rebound, it could be a very good rotation.
It's three solid guys
(Buehrle, Pavano and Baker), one with a big upside (still) but inconsistent and one highly mediocre.
I’d call that not bad.
Blackburn is not mediocre
He’s fair to poor. Pavano is mediocre.
yes, Blackburn is extremely poor...
and Pavano is mediocre.
I’d rather have Jackson than Buehrle over the next 3-4 years too.
I like this rotation.
I’d like it better if it had a Webb or Harden vice Blackburn. Doubt they sign another SP if they landed Buerhle or Jackson, but I can hope. Unfortunately, Blackburn seems destined for the 5th spot.
LOL @ 10:20 am
“Zumaya throws hard […] needs to prove he can throw 60 innings without his arm falling off.”
needs to prove he can throw 6 innings without his arm falling off.
Let loose the hogs of war!
Dogs of war..
Whatever farm animal of war, Lana...
No Doubt
Michael Cuddyer is going down the arbitration route. He would be out of his mind to accept the Twins current offer because it represents a pay cut for him.
I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
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So you just think of the most oddly nonsequiter and nonsensical thing to say, and then say it?
At his age, Cuddyer LOSES by accepting arbitration. He takes the guaranteed long-term paycheck, whatever that ends up being, because it’s more money overall. If he accepts arbitration and has a bad season, kiss that extra $16 million goodbye. If he signs a three-year deal and sucks, well, the Twins would still be on the hook for his salary.
“No doubt Michael Cuddyer is not going down the arbitration route. He would be out of his mind to not accept a long-term offer because it represents a pay cut for him.”
Fixed.
by Jesse on Dec 7, 2011 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Nah
Nonsequiters are the bane of Twinkie Town, as wolf’s bane is to Canis Hoopus.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
It's also a Star Trek Reference
Free Rick. I mean, Chuck James!
No, I didn't spell Maurer wrong. But I do get asked if I'm related to Joe a lot.
by Maurer Power on Dec 7, 2011 12:20 PM EST up reply actions
Is Canis Hoopus any good?
Because the most Vikings blogs are brutally boring. I’d like to find a good Wolves and Vikings blog that equates to Twinkie Town.
They are pretty good
Nothing like Twinkie Town of course.
by twinscrazy_german on Dec 7, 2011 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Y'all missed the joke
I uses a nonsequitur to denounce the use of nonsequiturs
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Boom
"I learned something yesterday. No use in having rules if there's no punishment for breaking them. You'll be fine if you bite down on the trigger. Enjoy your breakfast."
doesn't matter at that point in a players' career...
they’re going for the most guaranteed.
So...
you don’t give a 31 year old a 10 year contract
We’re all accepting that as fact now, huh?
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
by BeefMaster on Dec 7, 2011 12:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Haha
Even if he was 29 this move seems crazy.
Not in a next year kind of way, but in a 8 years from now kind of way.
by twinscrazy_german on Dec 7, 2011 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
If you believe Jim Bowden...
Mark Buehrle has reduced the teams he’s going to sign to 3 and decision expected to be made within 24 hours
Doubt the Twins are one of them.
"I learned something yesterday. No use in having rules if there's no punishment for breaking them. You'll be fine if you bite down on the trigger. Enjoy your breakfast."
I know, which is unfortunate.
to be entirely honest… I don’t know why Buerhle would sign with an AL team (maybe money)?
Buerhle has accomplished more than any pitcher can imagine (other than cy-young award). He’s had a perfect game, a no-hitter, and a World Series ring. My best guess is that he wants to go to the NL for a change of scenery and for fun. I think he’d enjoy that more too… but man, I sure would love having Buerhle with a 4 year / 40-45 mil contract.
He could sign with the Cubs and wouldn't even have to move
by twinscrazy_german on Dec 7, 2011 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
plus it's waaayyyy easier being in the nl...
greg maddux and roy oswalt have both found that out throughout their careers.
Moving to the NL
Do most pitchers like to bat? If you’re a great pitcher but a lousy hitter, is it really that much fun to put yourself in a position of likely failure several times a game?
Seriously – I’m asking…
by gbg on Dec 7, 2011 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
It's 2-3 at bats
Per start, and mostly you bunt.
Is that worse than getting 3 “free” outs per outing?
Being such a pitcher's park
Buehrle goes from being 12-13 win pitcher to 15-16 for just showing up at Target Field. That might be worth it for him. Plus he gets to play the sox how many times a year?
Although moving to the cubbies would be fun to watch too.
by Black Metallic on Dec 7, 2011 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
Being in a pitcher's park gets you a better ERA, not more wins
It’s a pitcher’s park for the other team’s pitcher, too.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
by BeefMaster on Dec 7, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
While not related to this topic...just found out today that...
MLB.TV IS COMING TO XBOX 360! WHOOOO!
Not sure how many of you are out-of-market people like me, but this is awesome news! Now I won’t have to sit and watch the game only on the computer! :D
I'm still a Minnesotan at heart...
I'd be excited if I owned an XBox...
Are they expanding to any other consoles? Wii perhaps? I actually have one of those.
by ColossusOfRhode on Dec 7, 2011 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
A rare fischean post! :)
I thought she got a life and left us for the greener pastures of Twitter.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
#OccupyTwinkieTown
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 7, 2011 1:33 PM EST reply actions
No, she's not even on that anymore
Baseball reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.-Terence Mann/James Earl Jones in FoD
This guy needs a new job!
Scenario 3: Ramirez" Marlins" to the Twins for Denard Span, Danny Valencia and a top prospect
I can’t see this happening, as it’s not something Terry Ryan would pull the trigger on. But again, another one that at least looks possible on paper. The compensation is probably a little light for the Marlins to pull the trigger, and you could see them asking for a guy like power-hitting prospect Miguel Sano, who hit 20 home runs in the rookie-level Appalachian League this year at the age of 18.
I would do that for Span Valencia and any prospect other than Sano. I also think that Pujols signs here before that happens.
Let loose the hogs of war!
Dogs of war..
Whatever farm animal of war, Lana...
And the whole fact that we probably can't afford him
And that he was often injured in the past
by twinscrazy_german on Dec 7, 2011 2:30 PM EST up reply actions
I'd take Buehrle in a heartbeat
the guy is going to pitch innings forever. Length of contract is not an issue.
Never in a million years
Hanley isn’t worth a damn thing to me, IMO. Sure, he can hit but his range isn’t that great at SS and I don’t think he’ll be any good at 3B. Plus he’s just going to whine once he doesn’t get his way. That or he’ll have some sort of mental block preventing him from producing.
I saw on SSS that Jesse Crain could be the WSox new closer.
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#OccupyTwinkieTown
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 7, 2011 2:18 PM EST reply actions
Impossible
He isn’t an experienced closer.
"I learned something yesterday. No use in having rules if there's no punishment for breaking them. You'll be fine if you bite down on the trigger. Enjoy your breakfast."
by John_Locke on Dec 7, 2011 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Not impossible
Crain went to the Sox because they:
1) offered him 3 years
2) Said he’d have the chance to close.
a) He closed his entire Minor League career.
Sorry for not using the sarcasm font
"I learned something yesterday. No use in having rules if there's no punishment for breaking them. You'll be fine if you bite down on the trigger. Enjoy your breakfast."
I picked up on it
The beard abides.
by Jason Kubel's Beard on Dec 7, 2011 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
+1
And we would have if we didn’t have the Capps option and the Nathan contract.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
so, just to be clear...
Matt Capps is apparently more valuable than Eric Bedard (option year for Capps):
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/12/pirates-to-sign-erik-bedard.html
Got it. Man, the Twins are dumb.
I do not like Capps....but Bedard is more brittle than papier mache.
Let loose the hogs of war!
Dogs of war..
Whatever farm animal of war, Lana...
as a starter he is...
but heck, say you put bedard in the same exact role as Capps (closer for 70 innings). would you really expect him to be worse than capps on the whole?
You think Bedard is on board with that?
Let loose the hogs of war!
Dogs of war..
Whatever farm animal of war, Lana...
not saying that...
i’m saying that value-wise, there’s no way capps should cost more than bedard, which he is.
Not our fault that the "save" statistic means more money.
It is stupid, but it is what it is. We are not alone in having to spend more than we should on a RP based on that stat.
Let loose the hogs of war!
Dogs of war..
Whatever farm animal of war, Lana...
but that's kind of irrelevant...
you don’t “have” to pay for saves. you don’t “have” to sign an ‘established’ closer. the twins should know this lesson more than anyone. the fact that capps has saves is rather irrelevant to his true value.
I know what you mean, I am just saying in general, it is not surprisng that a RP with lots of saves will get more than a SP who can't make 5 starts in a row without getting hurt.
Let loose the hogs of war!
Dogs of war..
Whatever farm animal of war, Lana...
Bedard
Should we have been willing to go higher than $4.5 mil? For only one year, I guess I say yes, a little.
like I said...
we offered Matt Capps more! AND lost a top 60 pick in the process. Dumb.
But he also has upside
The question is whether it’s worth the gamble on a one year contract.
If healthy, he’s a potential ace.
It's more than I'd want the
Twins to spend anyway, but the Marlins are ridiculous.
Guess who won the Buerhle sweeps.....Miami of course
I think they are compensating for those hideous uniforms and that OF statue thing….
Remember, remember the seventh of November.
I actually laughed when I read it
Marlins are really trying to play mini Yankees right now
by twinscrazy_german on Dec 7, 2011 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
If the Red Sox/Yankees and Marlins end up in the World Series next year...
I may puke.
Remember, remember the seventh of November.
On the other hand
Money didn’t buy the sabery Red Sawx a playoff spot in 2011, even though they were the favorites going in last spring. But $$$$$ makes getting the players you want a lot easier.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
#OccupyTwinkieTown
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Dec 7, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
How are they all going to get in the World Series exactly?
"Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona." ~George F. Will
Pretend that this was meant to be sarcastic
and that I totally got the point of the title right away and not just now.
"Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona." ~George F. Will
And their monopoly money...
Let loose the hogs of war!
Dogs of war..
Whatever farm animal of war, Lana...
Rosenthal say the Tigers and an NL team are in on Dotel
Would have liked him…
"I learned something yesterday. No use in having rules if there's no punishment for breaking them. You'll be fine if you bite down on the trigger. Enjoy your breakfast."
I just love the fact that we won't see Buehrle this year...
not that I’m afraid of him or something, but just so we won’t have to look at his ugly-ass dickish face.
Pavano-Buehrle games
are a thing of beauty, though.

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