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Winter Meetings Evening Update: Cuddyer and Silence for Twins

Today's been an odd day, in that there's been a lot of expectation surrounded by a flurry of activity. Neither of the high-expectation pieces have signed today (yet): Albert Pujols and C.J. Wilson are still unsigned. Although in Wilson's case, Mark Buehrle may have set the market for the best of this year's free agent starter crop by signing a four-year, $58 million dollar deal with the money-drunk Marlins. Here's what's happening relative to the Twins.

Michael Cuddyer

Once the Rockies shipped Huston Street and most of his contract to the Padres today, they became attached to Cuddyer for the first time in a while. Initial reports had Colorado focusing on starting pitching with the new payfoll flexibility, but it didn't take long for Cuddy's name to surface.

Minnesota is still the favorite, with their three-year, $24 (or $25) million offer still on the table. Ryan and the Twins continue to wait, and while Cuddyer's decision is delayed due to the birth of his twins, the sooner a choice is made the better. At least, for the team.

Jason Kubel

Kubel has until 11pm central time to accept or decline arbitration. If the Twins actually don't have room for both him and Cuddyer under their payroll, what happens if he accepts and Minnesota still doesn't have their answer from Cuddles? I asked the same question yesterday evening, but with the deadline looming it seems even more pertinent today.

Pitching Market

While Buehrle brought down the big cash today, Erik Bedard caught a one-year deal with the Pirates for $4.5 million. Octavio Dotel is making a decision between the Tigers and Cardinals. Takashi Saito has a number of suitors. There are a lot of very good options available on the bullpen market for the Twins to pick from, and one intelligent move for the rotation solves that problem.

Slowey to the Rockies. Street to the Padres. Those are decent deals for the team in receipt. The right deal is out there, a good deal - the Twins just need to find it.

Other Deals Are On the Table

"Some of them have signed, some of them are still out, some of them have gone by the wayside," Ryan said.

This should come as much of a surprise, as this team has already had interest in a number of players: Buehrle, Capuano, Harang, Zumaya, Guillen. It isn't a shock to know they have offers out there that the media hasn't gotten their hands on. Yet.

Rule 5 Draft

Jonathan Mayo has a nice primer for the Rule 5 that I recommend reading. It doesn't happen often, but every once in a blue moon somebody finds a gem. Will this be a year that Minnesota finds a diamond in the rough?

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Under this years Type A modification

if the Rockies take Cuddy, they don’t lose a pick. Rather, we get a pick right before them, if I remember the new agreement correctly. Does anyone know if that agreement protects top 15 picks or would we get the 9th overall pick (plus a supp)?

by Gunnarthor on Dec 7, 2011 8:36 PM EST reply actions  

this is basically covered in my current draft order thread...

but it still protects the top picks. However, this year it protects just the top 10 picks (which Colorado would still fall under).

by DJSkillz on Dec 7, 2011 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

by the "current" draft order...

we would get the #38 pick (might be as many as low as #44 depending on the other Type A FA’s that have yet to sign); remember there are going to be 6 lottery picks immediately following the 1st rd this year (before the Type A’s/B’s)

and the #79 pick, the pick right before Colorado.

by DJSkillz on Dec 7, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

It's time to let Cuddyer leave.

He already turned down one contract offer, which would’ve given him about the same amount of money he would get under 3/$25. Plus, Willingham is a better option, and he would be cheaper than Cuddyer.

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by jacobglanz on Dec 7, 2011 8:39 PM EST reply actions  

I totally agree..

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!!!

by bf4mvp on Dec 7, 2011 8:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Cheaper?

Just curious, what do you think Willingham gets on the market?

by Pohshow on Dec 7, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

It kinda sounds like WIllingham would get 3yrs 30m

somewhere in that ballpark. Just what I think.

"Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona." ~George F. Will

by SooFoo Fan on Dec 7, 2011 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah.

I don’t think there will be much difference between what Cuddyer and Willingham pull down this winter. Their markets are similar, and when one signs they’re good enough that it won’t kill the other’s value. Somebody out there will pay, it just depends on who.

If the Twins can get Cuddyer for 3 and $25, it’s not a bad deal for the Twins considering where we thought Cuddyer would be before the season ended.

by Jesse on Dec 7, 2011 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Cuddy will get more...

I don’t think he DESERVES more, but I think he will get more just because of his perceived “versatility” (which is overblown IMO). I still don’t think Willingham gets 3 years, but we’ll see.

by DJSkillz on Dec 7, 2011 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I could agree with that.

I think he’s worth 8M a year average over a 3 year deal.

But I wouldn’t wave goodbye to Cuddy if he is contemplating a 3 year 24/25M contract so easy. Even if Willingham’s value is relatively the same as Cuddyer’s, you have to convince him to come to Minnesota. That isn’t a sure thing. Word on the street is he wants a three year deal, but he also wants to be close to home. (Florence, AL)

Saying “nice to know you” to Cuddy may find the Twins without anything. Especially, if the Twins value him at a price similar to Cuddyer and another club is willing to dish 10M or 11M per year.

by Pohshow on Dec 7, 2011 9:16 PM EST up reply actions  

If Cuddy wants more than the $10.5MM he got last year,

Willingham is a cheaper option. Maybe 3 years, $20MM, depending on how many teams and what they are offering. I know the Rays are interested, and I would be shocked if we couldn’t outbid Tampa Bay.

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by jacobglanz on Dec 7, 2011 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

My question is more "What is he putting in his mouth?"

"Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona." ~George F. Will

by SooFoo Fan on Dec 7, 2011 8:50 PM EST reply actions  

Chaw probably

"I learned something yesterday. No use in having rules if there's no punishment for breaking them. You'll be fine if you bite down on the trigger. Enjoy your breakfast."

by John_Locke on Dec 7, 2011 8:51 PM EST up reply actions  

He's not allowed to smoke in the dugout in Safeco

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Dec 7, 2011 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a damn shame

"I learned something yesterday. No use in having rules if there's no punishment for breaking them. You'll be fine if you bite down on the trigger. Enjoy your breakfast."

by John_Locke on Dec 7, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Appreciate the coverage Jesse and those "Contributing Others"

I’m sure its not easy, but I enjoy the nightly/morning updates every day. Not only are they timely to check before bed and before I get to work, they are accurate.

by Pohshow on Dec 7, 2011 9:04 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks!

We’re all happy to do it. We love it as much as you guys.

by Jesse on Dec 7, 2011 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Terry Doyle

This right handed pitcher should be picked by the Twins. No love lost right Southsiders?

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by Jessy S on Dec 7, 2011 10:40 PM EST reply actions  

WHO'S ON FIRST

Its time you all come to the concullision that the DH spot going to be manned by morneau and or mauer. I seen more than one post that going to be where kubel is heading also so where are you going to get all three at bats. Cuddyer makes more sense to have at first and part time right handed DH at least until Paralee is ready. We already had thet log jam of lefties at Dh when thome was here nothing against him or kubel but I thought we lacked a lot of debth in the field because we had too many guys trying to get at bats at the dh spot

by Awall300 on Dec 7, 2011 10:55 PM EST reply actions  

Hmm...

Cuddyer/Mauer/Doumit/Morneau 1B/C/DH/Backup RF platoon would be fine with me, assuming Morneau isn’t playing 1B every day. Are any of the Molinas still available to be a third catcher?

by spanspanspan on Dec 8, 2011 12:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Benji is still out there I think...

if he wants to play.

Yadi will probably retire a Cardinal someday. Jose signed with the Rays.

by DJSkillz on Dec 8, 2011 12:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Benji weighs 300 pounds

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Dec 8, 2011 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Good at blocking the plate

Just ask Span.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Dec 8, 2011 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

ya, but the all-important question...

per Bert re: Drew/Mauer; “can he get low?”

by DJSkillz on Dec 8, 2011 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

You kidding

His whole lower body sits on the ground. He’s like Joba the catcher

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Dec 8, 2011 2:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

No surprise

Kubel and Cuddyer declined arbitration.

"I learned something yesterday. No use in having rules if there's no punishment for breaking them. You'll be fine if you bite down on the trigger. Enjoy your breakfast."

by John_Locke on Dec 8, 2011 12:12 AM EST reply actions  

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