In today's Star Tribune, Joe Christensen touches on an interesting topic. The market value of Francisco Liriano versus the value the Twins put on him. Liriano and his handlers have started the negotiations of his contract at 3 years/ $39M but the Twins apparently have no interest in making that kind of commitment to him. The Twins have recently agreed to terms with Liriano on a 1 year deal worth $4.3M to avoid arbitration and is under team control for one additional year. Are the Twins going to just let Liriano walk or will they pony up for a long-term deal to keep him?
VALUE
That question got me to thinking about the word value. A starting pitcher is a very unique player on a team. No single player has more control over the outcome of a game than a starter does. As a Twins fan I love that our local nine is relevant, plays for the Division title every year and has played in some post season games over the last 10 years. I have to admit, now that we have gotten where we are, I want more.
Losing to the New York Yankees last year left an awful taste in my mouth. The regular season was a blast; Winning 94 games, Mauer hits .327, Delmon drives in 112 runs & no one can deny that Pavano was really fun in winning 17 games. It wasn't enough though. We need to beat the Yankees.
It takes a really special player to toe the rubber in a playoff game against the likes of the Yankees. They have the history behind them, the mystique & a great hitting line-up to contend with. Who will the Twins throw out there if it happens again? Francisco Liriano, of course.
All that being said, Liriano isn't on the hill because he is one of baseballs great pitchers. He is on the hill because he is arguably the best pitcher on a very good team.
The Rub
Going through all major league rosters I came up with 55 other Starting Pitchers that I would rather have start game #1 vs. the Yankees than "Franchise". Here is the list. Please don't get hung up on the order that they are in, I didn't put too much time into that, but rather just wanted a list of players in 2011 that, if healthy, I would rather be facing the Bronx Bombers than Liriano.
| Rank | Pitcher |
| 1 | Roy Halladay |
| 2 | Tim Lincecum |
| 3 | Ubaldo Jimenez |
| 4 | Felix Hernandez |
| 5 | Josh Johnson |
| 6 | Cliff Lee |
| 7 | David Price |
| 8 | Jon Lester |
| 9 | Justin Verlander |
| 10 | Jared Weaver |
| 11 | Chris Carpenter |
| 12 | Clayton Kershaw |
| 13 | Tim Hudson |
| 14 | Roy Oswalt |
| 15 | Zach Greinke |
| 16 | Fausto Carmona |
| 17 | Mat Latos |
| 18 | CC Sabathia |
| 19 | Tommy Hanson |
| 20 | Matt Cain |
| 21 | Mark Buerhle |
| 22 | Brett Myers |
| 23 | Adam Wainwright |
| 24 | Ryan Dempster |
| 25 | Clay Bucholtz |
| 26 | Brett Anderson |
| 27 | Erik Bedard |
| 28 | Dan Haren |
| 29 | Chad Billingsley |
| 30 | Edinson Volquez |
| 31 | Cole Hamels |
| 32 | Yovani Gallardo |
| 33 | Madison Bumgarner |
| 34 | Matt Garza |
| 35 | Dallas Braden |
| 36 | Jeremy Guthrie |
| 37 | Johnny Cueto |
| 38 | John Danks |
| 39 | Trevor Cahill |
| 40 | Colby Lewis |
| 41 | Ervin Santana |
| 42 | Max Scherzer |
| 43 | Wandy Rodriquez |
| 44 | Jeremy Hellickson |
| 45 | Ted Lilly |
| 46 | John Lackey |
| 47 | Ricky Romero |
| 48 | C.J. Wilson |
| 49 | Phil Hughes |
| 50 | Stephen Strasberg |
| 51 | Josh Beckett |
| 52 | Bronson Arroyo |
| 53 | Jake Peavy |
| 54 | Gavin Floyd |
| 55 | Hiroki Kuroda |
| 56 | Francisco Liriano |
You can argue the list. It is simply an opinion of evaluation of talent. I personally would take anybody else on this list to pitch game #1 than Frankie.
Using this assumption I put him as the 56th best pitcher in baseball. I mean, what is a better indicator of value than who you would want to start a playoff game for you? There is an ability to throw 200+ innings during the season, keep their team in a pennant race, stay off the DL, etc. This argument to move Liriano up on this list doesn't hold too much weight with me as a guy who had arm trouble in the Minor Leagues and then Tommy John Surgery at the Major League level. There is definitely an injury concern that looms with Liriano.
Value Equals Salary?
This isn't a fair world. Some people get paid less to do better work and vice-versa. In a perfect world the best pitchers would get paid the most and the next best would get slotted financially accordingly. If that were the case, based off 2010 salaries Francisco Liriano would get slotted in at...
| Rank | NAME | AGE | SALARY |
| 1 | CC Sabathia | 30 | $24,285,714.00 |
| 2 | Johan Santana | 31 | $20,144,707.00 |
| 3 | Carlos Zambrano | 29 | $18,875,000.00 |
| 4 | John Lackey | 32 | $18,700,000.00 |
| 5 | Barry Zito | 32 | $18,500,000.00 |
| 6 | A.J. Burnett | 34 | $16,500,000.00 |
| 7 | Chris Carpenter | 35 | $15,840,971.00 |
| 8 | Roy Halladay | 33 | $15,750,000.00 |
| 9 | Hiroki Kuroda | 36 | $15,433,333.00 |
| 10 | Roy Oswalt | 33 | $15,000,000.00 |
| 11 | Jake Peavy | 29 | $15,000,000.00 |
| 12 | Derek Lowe | 37 | $15,000,000.00 |
| 13 | Mark Buehrle | 31 | $14,000,000.00 |
| 14 | Ryan Dempster | 33 | $13,500,000.00 |
| 15 | Ted Lilly | 35 | $13,000,000.00 |
| 16 | Jeff Suppan | 36 | $12,750,000.00 |
| 17 | Carlos Silva | 31 | $12,750,000.00 |
| 18 | Aaron Harang | 32 | $12,500,000.00 |
| 19 | Jeremy Bonderman | 28 | $12,500,000.00 |
| 20 | Josh Beckett | 30 | $12,100,000.00 |
| 21 | Oliver Perez | 29 | $12,000,000.00 |
| 22 | Kevin Millwood | 36 | $12,000,000.00 |
| 23 | Bronson Arroyo | 33 | $11,625,000.00 |
| 24 | Javier Vazquez | 34 | $11,500,000.00 |
| 25 | Jake Westbrook | 33 | $11,000,000.00 |
| 26 | Ben Sheets | 32 | $10,000,000.00 |
| 27 | Aaron Cook | 32 | $ 9,625,000.00 |
| 28 | Kyle Lohse | 32 | $ 9,187,500.00 |
| 29 | Tim Lincecum | 26 | $ 9,000,000.00 |
| 30 | Cliff Lee | 32 | $ 9,000,000.00 |
| 31 | Tim Hudson | 35 | $ 9,000,000.00 |
| 32 | Randy Wolf | 34 | $ 8,800,276.00 |
| 33 | Brandon Webb | 31 | $ 8,500,000.00 |
| 34 | Daisuke Matsuzaka | 30 | $ 8,333,333.00 |
| 35 | Dan Haren | 30 | $ 8,250,000.00 |
| 36 | Jamie Moyer | 48 | $ 8,000,000.00 |
| 37 | Scott Kazmir | 27 | $ 8,000,000.00 |
| 38 | Joel Pineiro | 32 | $ 8,000,000.00 |
| 39 | Jason Marquis | 32 | $ 7,500,000.00 |
| 40 | Brad Penny | 32 | $ 7,500,000.00 |
| 41 | Zack Greinke | 27 | $ 7,250,000.00 |
| 42 | Felix Hernandez | 24 | $ 7,200,000.00 |
| 43 | Carl Pavano | 35 | $ 7,000,000.00 |
| 44 | Justin Verlander | 27 | $ 6,850,000.00 |
| 45 | Cole Hamels | 27 | $ 6,650,000.00 |
| 46 | Rich Harden | 29 | $ 6,500,000.00 |
| 47 | Chris Young | 31 | $ 6,375,000.00 |
| 48 | Ervin Santana | 28 | $ 6,000,000.00 |
| 49 | Jeff Francis | 30 | $ 5,750,000.00 |
| 50 | Jorge De La Rosa | 29 | $ 5,600,000.00 |
| 51 | Fausto Carmona | 27 | $ 5,087,500.00 |
| 52 | Vicente Padilla | 33 | $ 5,025,000.00 |
| 53 | Paul Maholm | 28 | $ 5,000,000.00 |
| 54 | Wandy Rodriguez | 32 | $ 5,000,000.00 |
| 55 | Adam Wainwright | 29 | $ 4,837,500.00 |
| 56 | Jon Garland | 31 | $ 4,700,000.00 |
4.7 Million Dollars
Francisco Liriano is asking for $13M a year for the next 3 years. According to my slotting theory, Francisco and his agent consider him the 15th best pitcher in baseball; tied with Ted Lilly. Now, I am not a huge Ted Lilly fan, but I do consider him (on my list) slightly better than Liriano. Unfortunately, I also put an additional 39 players ahead of Liriano. Now we can argue the value of some of the sad contracts on here (See Scott Kazmir, for example) but when considering the money that we will have to pay Liriano to stay here versus what I value him at, I am with the Twins on this one. Get two more years out of him and get the 2 first rounder's for him when he becomes a free agent. The value just isn't there.
Here is a link to read Joe C's article: http://www.startribune.com/sports/twins/115676604.html
Poll
What is Francisco Liriano's rank versus other MLB Starters?
He is a top 10 Starting Pitcher for sure! (12 votes)
He is a definite #1 Starter but not in the top 10 (51 votes)
He is a #2 starter at best (30 votes)
He is a MLB #3 Pitcher at best (3 votes)
96 total votes




There are 103 Comments. Load Now.
Shortcuts to mastering the comment thread. Use wisely.
C - Next Comment
X - Mark as Read
R - Reply
Z - Mark Read & Next
Shift + C - Previous
Shift + A - Mark All Read
Comment Settings
Live comment alert: Hide it!
Comments for this post are closed.