Bill Smith Is Not Bad At Trading
…but he has been dealt a whole lot of bad hands in his short tenure as Twins GM. Bear with me as we go through the major trades Smith has made. I don't love any of them -- and I'm still more than a little annoyed about the Hardy deal -- but each has defensible reasoning behind it.
Matt Garza, Jason Bartlett, and Eduardo Morlan to the Rays for Delmon Young, Brendan Harris, and Jason Pridie
People forget that Garza and Bartlett got themselves (rightly or wrongly) into the coaching staff's doghouse to the point that they were eternally on the AAA-MLB bench shuttle bus, losing playing time to the likes of Juan Castro and Boof Bonser. Obviously there was the feeling that Young could be a superstar, and despite his issues we weren't going to get that kind of potential for nothing.
Now, I'm getting into speculative territory here, but I feel that it's pretty darn likely. Consider the following situation:
- The front office believes in the Twins Way, and much of that flows down from the MLB coaching staff. I don't think this is particularly controversial.
- The MLB coaching staff didn't feel that Bartlett and Garza were good fits for the Twins Way. Again, not a huge stretch for anyone who followed the team from '06-'07.
- The Twins' power outage was verging on the historic, and any useful outfield prospects (non-Span division, and he still kinda looked like a bust at that point) are years away.
- Garza/Bartlett/Morlan for Young/Harris/Pridie
I still think that if Harris had ever taken that last step to becoming a league-average hitter -- and he looked like he was going to, several times -- this trade wouldn't engender nearly the hate.
I don't love this trade. I'm not trying to defend it as a good move that improved the team. I feel that the MLB coaching staff could occasionally make a little more effort to work with talented players that are pissing them off rather than throwing their hands in the air and demanding the FO sign a crappy veteran. But I can see the rationale, and I'm not going to throw Smith under the bus for this one.
Johan Santana to the Mets for Carlos Gomez, Kevin Mulvey, Phil Humber, and Deolis Guerra
Smith was put in an impossible spot here. He had no choices and no leverage. Santana was leaving one way or the other, and had a significant enough no-trade clause to limit Smith's possible trading partners to pretty much just the Mets. So really, Smith's options here are:
- Trade Santana for whatever Minaya will give you
- Keep an obviously upset player and take the comp picks when he walks next year
Keeping him would very possibly pushed the team (destined to finish second with 88 wins) over the 89-win White Sox, but I sure as hell wouldn't have picked our squad to contend in 2008 with or without Santana. Check the following plate appearance numbers and OPS+ for the crappier guys that got significant playing time:
Carlos Gomez 614 77
Brendan Harris 490 94
Alexi Casilla 437 91
Nick Punto 377 96 (!)
Mike Lamb 261 61
Brian Buscher 244 97
Craig Monroe 179 81
Adam Everett 150 62
(sidenote: I'd be thrilled if Sexy Lexi puts up a 91 OPS+ this year at SS)
(sidetone the second: Brian Buscher had a 97? Harris 94? Punto 96? We got away with freaking murder in '08)
True, the pitching staff was decent and replacing Livan Hernandez's 139.2 awful IP with a season of Santana would have netted us 4-5 wins most likely. And in retrospect, yeah, I'd take the picks from letting him walk and yet another marginal playoff appearance (hey, playoffs are playoffs). But knowing what Smith knew going into the season -- namely, your starting infield is Mauer/Morneau/Casilla/Everett/Lamb -- I'm rolling the dice on a massively talented raw kid (Gomez), a couple of once highly regarded reclamation projects (Humber/Mulvey), and a young fireballer (Guerra).
Besides, keeping Santana when he clearly didn't want to play here would have made for one hell of a poisonous atmosphere in the clubhouse. I know we all poo-poo that stuff around here more often than not, but I'm comfortable with saying that the FO very likely (and rightly) took that into consideration.
Do I love the trade in retrospect? Of course not. Gomez has yet to adjust to MLB pitching. Mulvey and Humber had almost no value (though Mulvey brought back Rauch, who was very solid for us and dammit I wish we'd kept him for '11), and Guerra is still a question mark at best. And like I said, I'd definitely have taken the playoff spot even if the comp picks had returned nothing of value themselves. But you can't productively evaluate decisions like this in hindsight. Looking at the information available at the time, I was and am comfortable with the Smith's decision to trade Santana to the Mets.
J.J. Hardy to the Orioles for Jim Hoey and Brett Jacobson
All right, everyone. Hold onto your butts, because there's a truth bomb about to get dropped up in here.
J.J. Hardy was not a very good player for the Twins.
I know, I know. UZR loves his defense. Scouts generally do as well. He had the one good year with the bat. But the guy couldn't stay on the field, and he couldn't hit the baseball when he was.
And you want to pay $6M for a guy who didn't do anything to help your team and you have no guarantees that he's going to bounce back? I dunno, man. The Twins clearly felt like they liked Nishioka and Hardy had been in Gardy's doghouse for months. So Smith flipped him for a couple of hard-throwing bullpen arms to help out a system that doesn't have many left.
Personally, I don't love the deal. I feel like Hardy would have been a decent candidate to bounce back, and more depth at MI is always good. At the same time, if I'm Smith and my coaches tell me this guy doesn't look like he's ready to bounce back, I sure as hell listen to them over random guy blogging about how he likes his numbers.
And honestly, if freeing up that cash opened the door to bringing Pavano back, I'm pretty happy about it.
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You didn’t mention his waiver wire deals which he has done well with.
But i think you are little too nice to him on the Santana and Garza trades. Those were stinkers.
And the jury is still out on Hardy and the Matt Capps trade.
by clutterheart on Feb 11, 2011 1:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
This is an underrated point
Keeping him would very possibly pushed the team (destined to finish second with 88 wins) over the 89-win White Sox, but I sure as hell wouldn’t have picked our squad to contend in 2008 with or without Santana.
Had the Twins known that their young pitchers would be excellent and Denard Span was actually terrific and Awesome Nick Punto would show up instead of Terrible Nick Punto and Alexi Casilla would be stellar for a half a year, I don’t know that they trade Santana. Not knowing that, it was perfectly defensible to trade him for assets that could help in another year or two (when they expected to be contenders again), rather than pitch him in a losing cause and take draft picks that might contribute in four or five years.
That said, the Garza trade was a steaming pile of refuse, regardless of the logic behind it.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
Bill Smith is an average GM
Some bad moves, some great moves. Most of Smith’s mistakes are listed above. You left out the Punto contract. Some of his great moves:
Brian Fuentes at the deadline
Carl Pavano at the deadline
Jon Rauch at the deadline
Orlando Cabrera at the deadline (notice a pattern here?)
Gomez for Hardy
Drafting Kyle Gibson despite the arm injury (he fell pretty far)
Signing Miguel Sano
Signing Joe Mauer to a below-market deal
Signing Jim Thome
Signing Tsuyoshi Nishioka
by DJL44 on Feb 11, 2011 2:47 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Below market deal for Mauer?
cough, splutter This is a market value FA deal..
Mauer took a hometown discount
Look at the Jayson Werth Deal. The Yankees and Red Sox would have bid Mauer up to $25M a season (or more) for 8 years this offseason. Both teams had money to spend and a hole at catcher. Mauer gave the Twins 10-15% off.
I'm sick of that crap
Where’s the link
I called it - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
"Matt Millen ran Barry Sanders out of town he Drove the Lions into the ground
and now he acts as if he is a know it all NFL analyst" -favre
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Feb 13, 2011 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Mauer WAS NOT A FREE AGENT
You have to give a discount when you’re signing a year early, and you give a discount for going 8 years. He probably would have gotten more money had he waited, but I think the signing was about even for both parties.
"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"
by Steven Ellingson on Feb 14, 2011 12:29 AM EST up reply actions
Which is why he signed
Both parties got what they wanted. If Joe had been more interested in $$ he would have waited a year and bid the Red Sox against the Yankees. I’m not sure what the request for a link is regarding.
I'm not exaggerating
Signing Mauer is one of Bill Smith’s biggest accomplishments. If you doubt it, check today’s news on Albert Pujols.
I agree
But it is not a trade. Neither is signing Sano or drafting Gibson. The question is, is Smith good at trading? The answer is, sometimes. But if I were to grade him so far on trading, he’d get a D. Most of the good trades he’s made have been to plug holes created by his first trade. Otherwise, for every Fuentes, there’s a Capps.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
For every Gomez for Hardy
There’s a Hardy for 2 minor league relievers
I guess I felt obligated to point out that even though Bill Smith isn’t great at trading he’s really good at other aspects of being a general manager. I think it’s pretty obvious from history that Bill Smith should avoid making deals except receiving salary dumps at the trade deadline.
His activity during deadline and waivers is ultimately why I like him as a GM
Hope he swing some more deals this summer if necessary.
When I was a kid, I would cover a blue futon with a white blanket, prop it up with a fan set on high, and pretend it was the Metrodome. That should tell you a lot.
by MarshalltheIrish on Feb 14, 2011 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
good post, rec'd
I appreciate all the background information regarding the circumstances of the trade. A trade should be judged based on the information and expectations at the time of the trade not based on the end results.
hear, hear!
If I can ram that point home into a single fan’s brain, all the effort typing this thing up was worth it.
I pretty much agree with you.
The trades are still unfolding, anyway. D Young is still getting better, I hope. J.J. wouldn’t have been in the team’s plans beyond this year—if he plays well, he gets a big contract, and if he doesn’t the trade looks even better. Much is made of continuity in the MI, so if, big if, Casilla and Noshi play well and click, you’ve got a nice, cheap MI for 3-4 years.
It will take years to overcome his first trade
He’s improving, but if he had just not made the Garza trade:
No contract for Everette
No Punto signing to anything but a utility contract
No trades for O-Cab or Pavano
No Gomez/Hardy trade
No Pavano contract
Not to mention the play on the field or the value of Garza and Bartlett vs. Young at this stage.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
are you saying Everett is a girl?
Oh, I agree that the trade worked out poorly. But I can’t crucify the guy like a lot of fans want to do because it looks bad in hindsight. Based on what he knew at the time, I can’t fault him for it — particularly if the coaching staff was hating on Bartlett and the GZA, which based on what we saw then is more than likely IMO.
You don't trade the only guys in the organization at their positions
That it went badly for the Twins is an understatement. But you can’t say Smith had a good theory that went bad. The Twins had one shortstop and one power starter in their whole organization. They hadn’t developed a shortstop since the mid 80s (Gagne). They hadn’t developed a power starter since the mid 70s (Blyleven). I repeat, there was nobody in the organization who fit those characterizations. So they traded their most precious commodities for the kind of guy teams can sign every February for a couple of million bucks: A poor fielding outfielder who can hit a little. To be more clear, the year after they made the trade, Austin Kearns was available for less than $2 million, while the year they made the trade, Kearns was available by trade for perhaps one top prospect. And Kearns is a better fielder and about on par with Delmon Young offensively.
The fact that it went badly for the Twins is just piling it on. As I said, the Twins had to spend some $30 million plus lose some of their top prospects (including Tyler Ladendorf and Carlos Gomez) to fill the holes left by Bartlett and Garza, not to mention the difference in WAR between the resulting packages in the three years since the trade.
The difference in WAR for the players in question since the trade is15, not counting playoffs. And the Rays received Brandon Gomes, Adam Russell, Cesar Ramos, Cole Figueroa for Bartlett. They also Chris Archer, Hak-Ju Lee, Brandon Guyer and Robinson Chirinos for Garza. So they ultimately got 15 WAR and eight top prospects for Delmon Young.
After all is said and done, this might be the worst trade in Twins history, one that Bill Smith will be trying to fix for his whole career.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Feb 11, 2011 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Delmon Young is making that one less painfull
all the time
However, the Rays did get at least 6 top prospects between Bartlett/ Garza
Hak-Ju Lee, Chris Archer, Brandon Guyer + Ramos and Russell too all guys that will produce for the Rays in the near future
I agree with what cmathewson is saying
Worst trade in Twins History? = well lets hope not, Delmon could say someting about that in a big way in 2011.
I called it - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
"Matt Millen ran Barry Sanders out of town he Drove the Lions into the ground
and now he acts as if he is a know it all NFL analyst" -favre
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Feb 11, 2011 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
I promise you
Delmon Young is not going to be worth 15 WAR (plus the value of the 8 players the Rays received in their trades) in 2011. He’s not going to be worth 15 WAR during the rest of his Twins career.
Agreed
Delmon is not = to Garza,Bartlett. The Bartlett thing still pisses me off. I don’t know what Gardy had against him but the guy was getting better and just starting to fit in. Not enough grit I guess. I’m afraid that there will never be a SS or 2B man that is good enough for Gardy. Not to mention 3b was looking that way to. I don’t think he wanted to give Danny a chance, but once he got in Gardy had no choice but leave him. Remeber how many games of Cuddy at 3B : ( I guess what I’m saying is I fault Gardy as much as Smith. One more, how long did Gomez get before Span was given a chance. That was Gardy too. Span was the better all around player and proved it that year in the Spring, but Gomez got the start. Gomez is the one that should have been sent down to AAA for a year or two.
by b1 on Feb 12, 2011 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
Well, during 2008/09
I’d rather have had Gomez in center and Span in one of the corners than Delmon at all.
Yes, an excellent point
They had a glut of outfielders and a dearth of good infielders since the trade.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Gomez wasn't a part of the organization at the time of the trade
Our outfield was Cuddyer and ???. Span had a good half year at AAA but was mostly considered a bust. That’s why Pridie was in the deal as well, for CF insurance.
by Jon Kammerer on Feb 12, 2011 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
I'm saying there were other ways of filling those holes
For example, you can wait to see what comes out of the Santana trade and then fill the gaps with veterans. They didn’t need to make this trade. There were a whole host of ways to get a competent left fielder that did not involve giving up their starting shortstop and probable number 2 starter.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Austin Kearns is about 5 years older than Delmon, too.
Delmon was supposed to be a special player, the fact that he hasn’t been one yet is hindsight.
There was no consensus
He had a brilliant minor league career. But there were enough red flags with his bat and especially his glove that he was a giant question mark, especially among sabermetricians.
The point is, guys who play slightly above replacement level in left field are easy to get on the market. Competent shortstops and potential ace pitchers are really hard to find. What the Rays got for Garza and Bartlett is an indicator of this simple fact. I would never trade an above average shortstop and a future ace for a let fielder even if he has the potential to be a Jason Bay.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Have you looked at Kearns since 2007?
I’d definitely rather have Delmon than Kearns. Plus, the issue of his defense wouldn’t be a big deal if we didn’t have Cuddyer in right.
Bartlett and Garza didn’t have stellar numbers. Harris actually outhit Bartlett, though Bartlett was the superior fielder. Garza had some pretty mediocre stats (granted driven by an abnormally high opponent BABIP, but still), so really it was trading from a position of strength (pitching, defense) for a position of weakness (hitting).
At the time, the trade actually somewhat made sense, though counting on Harris to be the Twins SS of the future turned out to be a mistake. Plus, have the Twins really done that poorly since the trade?
Yes, but
how much better would we have been the last couple of years with Bartlett and Garza and not Delmon. I think the team would have been better without Delmon(win-Loss) and with Bartlett-Garza. Delmon is a 7th place hitter and a weak fielder. Garza wins 15 games and Bartlett is the steedy SS we’ve been looking for. Would you right now today trade Young for Garza and Bartlett? I would! Now don’t get me wrong, I like Delmon and I think he’s getting better. He just never became the 3rd,4th or 5th spot hitter the Twins though he could be and Garza,Bartlett just kept putting up good numbers.
by b1 on Feb 12, 2011 9:32 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, I'd rather have Delmon than Kearns too
Just not enough to give up my two most precious commodities for him. And Kearns is just one of a dozen or so left fielders who have changed hands since 2007 for cheap. The Twins had several guys in their system who could be competent fill ins until they find the right guy. Delmon is probably better than most if not all of them. But not THAT much better than, say, Garret Jones or Kevin West.
Have the Twins really done that poorly since the trade?
The only reason they haven’t done worse is Smith had to make several trades/free agent signings to fill the holes left by Bartlett and Garza. Cabrera and Pavano saved our 2009 season. Hardy and Pavano were top five players for the team in 2010.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Hardy being top 5 is a bit of a stretch
Probably top 10. I’d have Mauer, Thome, Liriano, Pavano, Valencia, Hudson, Morneau’s half-season, and probably Duensing all ahead of him.
Well, OK, but, based on Fangraphs WAR, I think he was top 5
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Hardy had 2.4 fWAR
Fangraphs (and comparing with B-Ref) was how I formed the basis of my list in the first place.
Liriano: 6.0 (4.6 at B-Ref)
Morneau: 5.3
Mauer: 5.1
Thome: 3.6
Pavano: 3.2 (4.6 at B-Ref)
Hudson: 3.1
Span: 2.9 (B-Ref had him as replacement-level, though, so I didn’t include him)
Valencia: 2.7
Duensing: 1.7 (but 3.7 at B-Ref)
Good post.
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Feb 11, 2011 6:38 PM EST reply actions
incidentally
I struggled mightily with the SBNation editor trying to make this post not hideous, with mixed results as you can see. If any of yall have any tips or links to decent resources, I’d appreciate it.
In particular, it’d be great to be able to access the AP stock photos that SBN licenses…is that something available to plebeians?
a tip is to use Microsoft word first
and then link it in or cut and past it in, i can’t remember off hand
I called it - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
"Matt Millen ran Barry Sanders out of town he Drove the Lions into the ground
and now he acts as if he is a know it all NFL analyst" -favre
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Feb 11, 2011 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Well he isn't exactly "good" at it either
far from stellar
the Santana trade was bad at the time, and even worse now
I called it - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
"Matt Millen ran Barry Sanders out of town he Drove the Lions into the ground
and now he acts as if he is a know it all NFL analyst" -favre
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Feb 11, 2011 10:02 PM EST reply actions
The thing that disappoints me the most about the JJ Hardy trade
is that we didn’t get Pie or Reimold.
the thing that disappoints me the most about the JJ Hardy trade
is that we didn’t get ANYBODY!
...formerly known as 33MorneauMVP
I see it as a money Dump!
Twins lost Hardy’s 5M and gave it to Passtachio!
by b1 on Feb 12, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Plus Harris's 1.5 MM too
Yes, it was a money dump, but the O’s have clearly soured on both Reimold and Pie, and the Twins could use either of them, and they both make near the minimum.
Pie and Reimold
would both be bench players for us. We’ve got Tosoni,Revere and Benson on the way so thats not what we needed. The Twins wanted relievers.
by b1 on Feb 13, 2011 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
Why all the love for Bartlett?!?
He never was that productive with the Twins, and NOBODY would have ever predicted he’d have a season like he did in 2009 (.879 OPS). Bartlett has had one other season where his OPS was above .700, ONE (that’s Luis Rivas type production at the plate). J.J. Hardy had a .714 OPS last year (10th in MLB for SS’s), and it was .783 from July through the end of the year (4th in MLB for SS’s). Bartlett was never that good of a fielder either, and his UZR has been in the minus category for 2 straight seasons. Take Bartlett’s 2009 season out of the equation and he’s a replacement or bench level player over his career that lacks any standout skills. Has made a career out of a fluke season.
Bartlett was coming off the best season for any Twins shorstop since Gagne
He was just entering his prime and he was cheap. I would never have predicted an OPS above .800 from him, but low-to mid .700s for five or six years with solid defense was well within the realm of possibility.
The only time this team has that level of consistency at the shortstop position was when George HW Bush was president. If you think Bartlett is a replacement level player now, why did San Diego give up four good prospects for him?
Those of us who suffered through the Mearse and Guzman years know how hard it is to develop a quality shortstop. You mentioned Hardy. We spent a lot on a one-year rental for him. The last time we used a first-rounder for a shortstop, we got Plouffe, who was rated the second best player in a deep class that year. They are really hard to develop.
You don’t trade shortstops unless you have a surplus, as Milwaukee had last year, or you are desperately trying to save money, as the Twins were this year. The Twins had no such surplus and Bartlett was cheap. There was no reason to trade him. We’ve gone through five starting shortstops in the three years since the trade. Unless you think Nishioka is the guy, we still haven’t replaced him with a decent player we can count on for years.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Feb 12, 2011 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Ageed
We are still trying to replace him! LNP and Tolbert have gotten way to much play time. Other then Plouffe, we still don’t have much in the next couple of years at SS. Most of the prospects are very young (GCL-Beloit). It’s not so much that Bartlett was such a great player, it was that he was a SOLID player, young, inexpencive and we had nothing better and still don’t. For a 9th hitting shortstop he fit well with the team we have. Next up Casilla, I think this argument will be valid next year too, we’ll still be looking to replace Bartlett.
by b1 on Feb 13, 2011 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
I don't get it
You do not like any of the trades, but you think he’s a good player.
With the JJ Hardy deal, I don’t think anybody can convince me this was a good trade. “Why pay a guy $6 million who is not going to help you out?” because Casilla is a replacement level player, and Nishioka hasn’t proved anything on the MLB level. Throwing a bunch of wildcards in the middle of the infield is not a good strategy from a team that supposedly is trying to reach the World Series…
Type on the first line
You do not like any of the trades, but you think he’s a good player trader
by Mark Kieffer on Feb 13, 2011 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
CMath's quote: "Competent shortstops and potential ace pitchers are really hard to find."
My biggest fear is that Bill Smith doesn’t realize this. First the Garza/Bartlett trade, then getting rid of Hardy for no good reason, and now the talk of dealing Liriano.
It’s like they don’t understand value. I think Gardenhire is a HUGE part of that evaluation problem.
Id be willing to bet
That Hardy plays less than 2/3 of the games for the O’s this season.
"God tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're fucked."-Braveheart
And I'd be willing to bet against you.
People make him out to be some hugely injury-prone guy. I don’t find that to be true.
2007: 151 games
2008: 146 games
2009: 133 games
2010: 104 games
There are some injuries in there, but not nearly what some seem to make them out to be. I’d much rather still have Hardy, one of the best SS’s in the game, on this team.
Don;t get me wrong
I like the guy, and his defense is stellar. But I think in the long run we did the right thing. I think his offensive numbers will end up being below average for the forseeable future. And its not that he’s injury prone in the sense of something major like a ligament or whatnot that bugs people. Its the fact that every nagging little thing seems to keep him out for a few days or weeks. That I know is what bugs me personally. That and he has not been “One of the best SS’s in the game” for a few years now. Living on the past is no way to get anything accomplished.
"God tells me he can get me out of this mess, but he's pretty sure you're fucked."-Braveheart
I agree with DJ
I think Hardy will have a good season this year and I think he’ll play at least 130 games. Hopefully more, otherwise that means he’s injured again. He hit great in the second half of the season. He was getting his swing back before the bone bruise happened.
And yes, Hardy is still one of the best SS’s in the game. There were only two SS’s who were equal to or better defensively AND better with the bat last year, Alexei Ramirez and Stephen Drew. There were probably a handful or so who weren’t as great defensively (but still great) but better with the stick. Then there are the “all defense, no offense SS’s” or the guys who don’t do either well (I’d say both of these are more common than the first two options).
I’ll take the SS who’s elite defensively and can hit what the average SS can hit (which is what Hardy did). I’d love to have an elite defensive SS who is also elite with the bat for the position, but I think that’s getting a bit greedy and is even harder to find than guys who are as good as Hardy.
In some ways, I hope I’m wrong. I hope he has a bad year and then I can be less mad about the trade. In other ways, I think we really messed up in letting him go. Guys as good as Hardy don’t come around often. Just look at our SS merry go round for evidence of that. They didn’t even realize they had a good one.
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by Twins33 on Feb 15, 2011 7:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Excellent
Rec’d
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by WindyCityTwinsFan on Feb 15, 2011 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
Yep...
he was one of the best SS’s in the game LAST YEAR when he played. And is the best Twins SS of my lifetime.
Yet Gardy and his poor model of MI’s had to get rid of him after 1 year because he doesn’t “have speed” and doesn’t “charge the ball”. Idiot.

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