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The Infield of the Future?

For the past several seasons, the Twins infield has been a carousel of over-used role players, washed-up veterans, and stop-gap signings.  Outside of Justin Morneau, the team has had virtually zero stability in the infield since the days of Rivas, Guzman, and Koskie.  In fact, the Twins haven't featured the same opening day starter at second, short, or third in any back-to-back seasons since Luis Castillo in 2006-2007.

Before 2010, it hadn't exactly been a productive arrangement.  At second, the Twins got a couple good seasons from Castillo, followed by middling years from Harris and Casilla.  Shortstop saw Jason Bartlett give way to Adam Everett, Nick Punto, and 200 at-bats from Orlando Cabrera.  Third was a disaster - just think of the following names: Tony Batista, Nick Punto, Mike Lamb, Brian Buscher, Joe Crede

Then, thankfully, mercifully, we had 2010.  The Twins added Orlando Hudson and J.J. Hardy.  Hudson was everything we could have asked for; Hardy was productive when healthy.  And then there was the emergence of Danny Valencia, a welcome surprise that gave Twins fans hope for the future at a position that had long been the teams Achilles' heel.  For the first time in several years, the Twins had a formidable infield, even playing through the absence of their MVP first baseman.

Having enjoyed the bounty of a good-hitting, good-fielding infield, Twins fans can be forgiven for feeling a bit of disappointment in its dismantling this off-season.  Hudson finally got the multi-year deal he deserved years ago, and Hardy was moved to Baltimore for relief help.  Losing Hudson and Hardy means the Twins will once again have a completely new opening day cast at second, third, and short in 2011.

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But it also means the Twins will enter 2011 with an infield that shares some key characteristics: they're each young; they each have a realistic shot of becoming or remaining everyday players for the foreseeable future; and they're each under team control beyond 2011.  Could it be that after years of spare parts and short-term fixes, the Twins infield of today could finally be the Twins infield of the future?

It's certainly possible.  Morneau is under contract through 2013, and, assuming he's able to swing a bat and field his position, will have first base locked up until the end of his contract.  The front office is showing considerable faith in Casilla - who is just in his first year of arbitration - by essentially giving him a starting job going into spring training.  The team spent $5 million just to talk to Nishioka, who is under team control until at least 2013.  Valencia was tremendous last season, and even assuming he goes through a sophomore slump, seems likely to be given a lengthy leash at third (especially now that Punto is no longer on the roster).

Of course, we have a long way to go before we call this the infield of the future: Casilla needs to prove he can hold a starting job, Nishioka has to prove he can hit major league pitchers, and Valencia has to prove the second half of 2010 was a sign of things to come.  These are not small concerns.  We've seen Casilla struggle for long stretches before, and many were caught off guard by the Twins eagerness to hand him a starting role in 2011.  Nishioka will certainly face a steep learning curve coming to the US (although ZIPS has him pegged as a pretty good bargain - 281/337/403).  And many suspect that Valencia, the diamond in the rough of 2010, will face some steep regression in 2011.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that we'll see the 2011 combination of Casilla, Nishioka, and Valencia replace the production we got from Hudson, Hardy, and Valencia in 2010.  In fact, the infield - including the health of Justin Morneau - remains my chief concern going into the new season.

However, if you trust the front office's confidence in Alexi Casilla, the scouting department's faith in Tsuyoshi Nishioka, and your own eyes in the hitting prowess of Danny Valencia, the Twins may very well have put in place the key pieces of their infield for the foreseeable future.  And after the past several seasons, it would be a welcome relief to finally have some stability and reliability around the Twins infield. 

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Valencia 2011 isn't replacing Valencia 2010

He’s replacing Brendan Harris, Casilla, Punto and Valencia 2010. I think he can beat that combined contribution. A full year of Morneau would make up any downgrade in the rest of the infield. Overall I think it’s a push. The big worry is they don’t have any depth. I don’t expect much of Plouffe or Hughes.

by DJL44 on Feb 23, 2011 2:10 PM EST reply actions  

agreed re: plouffe/hughes

I just don’t see those guys ever being much beyond fringe pine-riders in MLB.

by ravenfly on Feb 23, 2011 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I expect more from Plouffe/Hughes

then Harris/Punto. I’d say thats an upgrade.

by b1 on Feb 23, 2011 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

In his limited time last year, Morneau still had his highest WAR for his career

Even if he is at full health for the whole year, he is unlikely to give that same production let alone the combination of his productions + his replacements and enough to make up for the drop off at 2B and SS.

by joewho112 on Feb 24, 2011 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe, but...

this is the second year in a row where Morneau put up ridiculous MVP type numbers only to have a second half injury take him down. If he stays healthy, he could surpass those numbers… I am not counting on him winning the MVP or anything, but he could take a small step back and play the whole year and outproduce his 2010 self by a lot.

by diehardtwinsfan on Feb 25, 2011 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Case against Morneau repeating his performance:

His BABIP was .385. His xBABIP was .315 and his career BABIP is .295.

In other words, totally unsustainable.

He is a very good player who had a great year. He is not Albert Pujols so it’s not realistic to expect a 7 WAR year. Something between 4 and 5 WAR is more reasonable. His previous best non-2010 year was 4.3.

If he had played a full year in 2009, he would have had around that (I assumed playing 155 games compared to the 135 he played resulting in ~4.2).

by joewho112 on Feb 25, 2011 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

His was in 2010 was 5.3 for comparisons sake

Cuddyer contributed another 0.4 WAR in his place at 1B, though it would be more accurate to factor in some chaining since he probably would have played in OF some of the games he played at 1B.

by joewho112 on Feb 25, 2011 2:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I'mn betting on Valencia this year

Picked him up in two fantasy drafts (as a pretty late pick both times).

If DV can go .275 with 15 HR and 65 RBI that’s a huge improvement.

How mad were you last year when B. Harris was in the lineup with his .168 average?

The beard abides.

by Jason Kubel's Beard on Feb 23, 2011 3:01 PM EST reply actions  

Valencia's borderline in fantasy

But nothing wrong with spending a late pick on some upside at a shallow position ;)

And if he hits .270 with 15 HR — which seems fair-ish to me if he plays a full season — that’ll absolutely play at 3B with his good glove in MLB.

by ravenfly on Feb 23, 2011 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I think his RBI's will be higher.

Look at the RBI’s Delmon gets and Valencia is a better hitter. Delmon is a free swinger.

by b1 on Feb 23, 2011 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Higher OBP ahead of you = more RBI

Delmon is going to hit behind Mauer and Morneau. Valencia will hit behind Kubel and Delmon. Delmon will have more ducks on the pond.

by DJL44 on Feb 23, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Mauer will be on for Delmon

Morneau,Cuddyer,Kubel-for Delmon and Cuddyer,Kubel,Delmon for Danny. If Delmon can get 100rbi’s, I think Danny can get 75 or more.

by b1 on Feb 24, 2011 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

could be

cuddyer might be the 8th hitter. Morneau,Delmon,Danny,Kubel,Cuddyer,Casillia.

by b1 on Feb 24, 2011 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I belive last year DY struggled when he was moved up in the order.

At least that is how it seemed to me. Maybe someone more skilled than I could dig up some facts one way or the other.

by Codypc21 on Feb 24, 2011 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Baseball-Reference has that in their splits

WARNING: Small sample sizes abound!

Batting order position: BA/OBP/SLG
3rd: .328/.371/.603
4th: .282/.320/.479
5th: .254/.280/.423
6th: .364/.400/.533
7th: .262/.295/.438
8th: .464/.500/.821

He was also 0-1 in both the 2 and 9 spots, both in pinch hitting appearances. He had his most plate appearances batting seventh, followed by sixth, and in no other spot did he have more than 75 plate appearances.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Feb 24, 2011 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

You can't even say "outside of Morneau"...

he’s a big question mark too right now.

I too am extremely worried about this infield overall. If even one guy fails or is hurt, we’re in a bit of trouble. We have question marks at all 4 spots.

by DJSkillz on Feb 23, 2011 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

But don't worry, our backup plan is outstanding...

…we might trade our excess starting pitching for more bullpen help.

"...and we'll see ya tomorrow night!" - Jack Buck, Game 6, 1991 World Series

by WindyCityTwinsFan on Feb 23, 2011 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually this is where I saw something in Antony's Q&A

From what it sounded like to me, they would be prepared to deal the loser of their rotation battle if the need arises because someone in the infield gets hurt.

by twinscrazy_german on Feb 23, 2011 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I read that too

Or if Casilla is clearly not ready. I almost expect a deal after reading his comments, and not for a middle reliever.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 23, 2011 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Glad I am not the only one.

I would have no idea who they might look at tho.

by twinscrazy_german on Feb 23, 2011 5:15 PM EST up reply actions  

One trade target

Trade a surplus pitcher for…JJ Hardy?

by AM. on Feb 24, 2011 6:41 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

That's silly

Everyone knows that Hardy costs two surplus pitchers.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Feb 24, 2011 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I know

I was being facetious – in fact I think Antony specifically said something about not trading for middle relief help, but may try to fill a hole if a need arises. But the fact that his mind went directly to middle relief made me think that that is actually what’s on his mind.

"...and we'll see ya tomorrow night!" - Jack Buck, Game 6, 1991 World Series

by WindyCityTwinsFan on Feb 23, 2011 5:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Way too long since a gamethread

forgot the sarcasm font on my first comment.

"...and we'll see ya tomorrow night!" - Jack Buck, Game 6, 1991 World Series

by WindyCityTwinsFan on Feb 23, 2011 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

not sure if this is sarcasm or not...

but what backup plan is outstanding?

Because I sure don’t see one in the infield. Cuddyer’s “ok” at 1b maybe, but that still both puts 1b as a weakness and weakens the OF and bench.

by DJSkillz on Feb 23, 2011 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm more worried about the backup plan at 1B

Based on what I saw from Cuddyer last year, and the fact that the field staff seemed happy with that performance, it’s a big issue for me.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 23, 2011 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Bobo, this is a great article

It’s why I’m willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. They can’t afford the revolving door much longer. They needed to build their own infield primarily from within. They’ve done that. I hope it works.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 23, 2011 5:14 PM EST reply actions  

Casilla?

Dig the fans (who have him at 465 PAs) projection line on fangraphs: a .298 wOBA and .7 WAR. Ugly. And I very much fear they are correct. Does anybody actually believe he has a shot at a 1.5+ WAR season? That’s an earnest question, btw.

Luke Hughes looked so promising for a while there — that demotion to AA just seemed to totally squash his career trajectory. Here’s hoping he recaptures something and we’ve got ourselves an Aussie Dan Uggla.

by tobynotjason on Feb 23, 2011 5:34 PM EST reply actions  

I think the fans are optimistic in this case

"Pinch-bunters don't have a ton of value, even with the Twins"

by Steven Ellingson on Feb 23, 2011 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

could Plouffe be a smaller Hardy?

He did hit 15Hr’s (i think) at AAA and he’s still young. I’m not a big Casilla fan.

by b1 on Feb 23, 2011 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I've never heard...

…anything glowing regarding his defense, and that’s a huge part of why Hardy is as valuable as he actually is. The far-upside of his bat is similar, probably, but I don’t see it as likely.

by tobynotjason on Feb 23, 2011 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

1.5 WAR

Well I would say there’s a decent chance. He had 1.2 WAR over 437 PA in 2008 and 1.1 last year over 170 PA.

Unfortunately he put up a -1.2 in 2009 over 256 PA.

So yes, I believe he has a chance. He looked solid defensively last year in his limited time and I’d say there’s a legitimate chance that he learned his lesson after being given a shot in 2009 and squandering it. I’m not expecting him to be an all star by any stretch of the imagination. However I do believe he can be slightly above average defensively and get on base at a decent clip, steal a few bases and be right around a .700 OPS with hopefully a .330-.350 OBP a part of that.

The guys is just 26 years old and probably would have benefited from staying in the minors for another year or two before being brought up but he’s shown enough glimpses of hitting and fielding ability for me to believe he can be an average regular which can be pretty valuable. He holds a career .370 OBP in the minors w/ .350 OBP in AAA. That along with his performance last year (small sample size I know) and in 2008 shows me he’s got the ability. Hopefully being a bit older and maturing he can make the step to becoming a decent regular for the Twins.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Feb 24, 2011 12:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Good pep talk.

I will sip trepidatiously on the kool aid.

by tobynotjason on Feb 24, 2011 2:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Casilla's initial comps

I believe Kevin Goldstain said Casilla was a younger Castillo.

Hopeful he can turn into that.

by AM. on Feb 24, 2011 6:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I remember thinking that when he was coming up through the minors

If he can get anywhere close to Castillo that would be amazing. I think he’s got a very outside shot at that, but I’m not holding my breath. Castillo was consistently above 2 WAR and was up in the 3-4 range some years. So I’m not expecting Castillo but if he’s even close then we’ve got a very useful player on our hands.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Feb 24, 2011 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I remember this

Not that specific source, but the talk when they called him up after Castillo was salary dumped traded was that Casilla was basically a poor man’s Castillo, with the chance to develop into the real thing. After 2009, I’d decided that he was actually Luis Rivas wearing a mask and operating under an assumed name. He swayed me back onto his side a bit last year, although I still wouldn’t have jettisoned Hardy to give him a job.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Feb 24, 2011 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

haha, the Kool Aids not thaaat strong though

1.5 WAR isn’t amazing by any stretch however it would make for a useful role player. All I’m really saying is that he’s shown enough glimpses defensively and with the bat that I believe he can do it. However, he’s shown enough negative that I also believe worst case scenario is he is below replacement level and thus on the bench. I’m hoping he matures and can be consistently above .330 OBP with above average defense. I think that’s realistic. My dream would be Castillo which I don’t think is very realistic.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Feb 24, 2011 11:18 AM EST up reply actions  

No, it's not...

but it was just presented in such earnest.

I am mortified that he’ll be replacement-level and that’s why I asked if anyone thought he would indeed be a solid contributor. I totally get that you said “chance” and “can” a lot, but I, too figure there’s a chance, so why not cling to it for now? (Because it’s hard to cling to with so much contrary stuff staring me in the face, that’s why.)

by tobynotjason on Feb 24, 2011 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

A rare case of the Twins rushing a player

That Castillo trade was ill timed for more than one reason. But he looks like he’s matured and ready to show that he is a solid 1.5 WAR player. Also, he always plays better at short, where he will likely play this year. It’s easier to accumulate a 1.5 WAR at short than second if you can play defense.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 24, 2011 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I know you've always said

Casilla better at SS, but I don’t like him their. To me he looks like a 2bman trying to play SS. I don’t think he’s a true SS. We’ll find out in the first month.

by b1 on Feb 24, 2011 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the opposite

I think he looks awful at second, way out of place. I’m much more comfortable with him at ss. It’s his natural position.

Baseball reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.-Terence Mann/James Earl Jones in FoD

by Twins33 on Feb 24, 2011 5:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

+1

At second, he looks like he’s trying to play with a left-handed glove or something. His whole game is off. At short, it just flows.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 25, 2011 12:13 PM EST up reply actions  

There not their

You sir are an idiot, Cassilla is way more natural at ss than he is at 2nd, he has tons of range, hates waiting back for the ball and has a cannon of an arm- which means he is a TRUE SS and the only way he’s not at ss and Nishi isn’t at 2nd is Gardy being Gardy. I’ve seen Cassilla make plays I don’t think anyone in the league could make and if he had a bigger name they’d be some of the top plays ever, with that said I’ve also seen him miss plays that anyone could make…

by SpanFan on Feb 25, 2011 10:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Casilla not Cassilla

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Feb 25, 2011 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't see how Gardy doesn't play Casilla at SS and Nishioka at 2B

Every time he’s been asked he’s said that is the way it’s going to be.

Nishioka could change his mind, but right now he likes Casilla better at SS and he’s said it all offseason and as recently as a few days ago. And I keep hearing more and more bad things about Nishioka’s poor arm so he simply wouldn’t fit there for that reason alone.

Baseball reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.-Terence Mann/James Earl Jones in FoD

by Twins33 on Feb 25, 2011 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Does he play better short?

I haven’t focused enough on his defense there to feel comfortable making an eyeball evaluation, but I do see that UZR has him well below average at 2nd base, so it’s difficult for me to imagine. (Yeah, it likes him at SS, but that’s a fairly meaningless sample size.) Hope you’re right, ‘cause Nishioka’s arm looks like a joke.

by tobynotjason on Feb 24, 2011 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Nishioka is under team control through 2016.

He’s still subject to the normal rules. When his contract is up he’ll be eligible for arbitration.

by timprov on Feb 23, 2011 6:37 PM EST reply actions  

Not necessarily

A lot of Japanese players coming over have clauses in their contracts that state the team must release them and not offer arbitration at the end of their contract. Now, I’m not sure that he has that clause in his contract but it wouldn’t surprise me. I think the best part of the contract is that the Twins have a 4 million dollar option. If Nishioka does well that option might be extremely cheap. If he ends up being a bust well we have him at 3 million for 3 years and then off he goes, nothing backbreaking.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Feb 24, 2011 12:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Valencia is not a better hitter than Delmon.

by dyoung21 on Feb 23, 2011 9:17 PM EST reply actions  

Depends on what you want

Valencia should have a higher OBP. Delmon should have a higher SLG. Their OPS numbers will probably be pretty close. But, if I was a betting man, I’d bet on Delmon to have the higher OPS+.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 23, 2011 9:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope you're right

Put it this way, Delmon has more power upside. The dude is built.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 24, 2011 9:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Valencia’s OBP will be higher becuase he knows how to take a walk, Delmon will have more Hrs,Rbis, and a higher BA. I think Valencia is a solid young player alot smarter at the plate, but Delmon has far better bat skills.

by dyoung21 on Feb 24, 2011 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Not that clear-cut

Valencia doesn’t know how to take a walk that much better than Delmon does. Last year, the difference between his BA and OBP was a whopping 40 points. Delmon’s difference was 35 points. In their minor league careers, Valencia had a 55-point difference and Delmon had a 45-point difference. They were the two least-likely-to-walk regulars on the Twins last year, and it wasn’t all that close – Valencia’s BA-OBP split was more than 10 points less than that of third-place Hardy.

In short, if Valencia has much of a drop in batting average, his OBP is likely to go with it, just like Delmon’s does, unless his lack of walks last year was somehow by choice.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Feb 24, 2011 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Walks are only one statistic

I look at pitches taken as an indicator of future walks. In a typical Valencia at bat, he’ll take four pitches, foul a couple off and then put it in play. In a typical Delmon at bat, he’ll swing at everything close. The former approach will tend to lead to more walks as pitchers stop challenging Valencia with full counts in critical situations.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 24, 2011 3:02 PM EST up reply actions  

But...

Why would pitches taken be a better indicator than actual walks, especially when he wasn’t much of a walker in the minors, either?

Also, the pitches per plate appearance stat doesn’t jibe with your observations. Valencia did see more pitches than Delmon (as did basically everyone else in the league), but he still didn’t take a ton – I looked up the numbers, and his P/PA was 3.65, good for 159th of the 214 players with more than 100 plate appearances and behind every other Twin except Tolbert and Casilla.

I suppose this could be because pitchers were simply throwing him more strikes than everyone else, but I don’t know whether it makes sense to expect his major league walk rate to outpace his less-than-stellar minor league walk rate, either.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Feb 24, 2011 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Delmon's walk rate is consistently lower than Valencia's

Young
2006 (AAA): 4.1
2007: 3.8
2008: 5.6
2009: 2.9
2010: 4.6

Valencia
2006®: 7.1
2007 (A): 10.3
2007 (A+): 6.4
2008 (A+): 10.8
2008 (AA): 6.3
2009 (AA): 12.3
2009 (AAA): 2.8
2010 (AAA): 6.9
2010: 6.2

If you want to talk about trends, it is likely Valencia will have a higher walk rate this year than last. His walk rate is always better the second time around in a league. But even if it is not better than last year, it will likely be better than Delmon’s. I don’t understand how you can look at those numbers and say there’s no difference between them.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 24, 2011 5:17 PM EST up reply actions  

You could look at only the AAA and MLB numbers,

since those are the only two they both participated in. I dont know the exact at bats each year in AAA for Danny but it his W% should be around around 6.5. Over the course of an MLB season, that should be about 10 more walks.

I’m not trying to say one is better than the other at anything, rather, the players’ experiences are so different right now that a comparison is very difficult. I think we should have a much better idea later this year.

by Codypc21 on Feb 24, 2011 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not saying there's no difference...

I’m saying that there’s not as much difference as the comment I was replying to made it seem – if Delmon has a 10-point advantage in batting average, I think he’ll probably have as good an OBP as Valencia, based on what they did in the minors and last year.

Great spot on his walk rates year-to-year at the same level – I was not aware of that, and it certainly bodes well for this year.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Feb 24, 2011 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Danny had the 4th highest OBP, Delmon 8th

Justin,Thome,Mauer,Valencia. and he was a rookie. I think his numbers could improve.

by b1 on Feb 24, 2011 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

That was not my point

Valencia was great last year, so it bugs me to have to downplay his performance, but I was specifically taking issue with a post that claimed that he has a better eye than Delmon and would therefore maintain a higher OBP, while at the same time claiming that Delmon would have a higher batting average. I’m just pointing out that Valencia has so far shown very little ability to draw walks at the major league level, so a claim that he will have a better OBP despite a lower batting average seems a bit farfetched.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Feb 24, 2011 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

No way

Delmon can crush it when he connects, I distinctly remember a game where Cuddy hit a bomb and everyone was like whoa and the next at bat Delmon crushed one to the same part of the field and way deeper, comically showing Cuddy up, he’s got a lot of power in his bat no doubt. Valencia is a deep double/occasional homer guy for life, better eye I’d agree with.

by SpanFan on Feb 25, 2011 10:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Please provide a game log to verify your distinct memory

Who were they playing? I don’t remember many games where Delmon/Cuddyer batted back to back.

by DJL44 on Feb 25, 2011 10:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok maybe not back to back

Wouldn’t swear it was literally back to back but it was soon enough that it was comical cuz Cuddy’s was a blast and well celebrated. I do remember Cuddy having a quote about the fact DYoung showed him up on it in the media.

by SpanFan on Feb 25, 2011 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Hardy

was sufficient at best. Casilla is an upgrade, and I’m not excited to know that.

by Joshua P on Feb 23, 2011 9:36 PM EST reply actions  

you are crazy

...formerly known as 33MorneauMVP

by BCTwins on Feb 24, 2011 1:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Sufficient is all I'm expecting from Casilla.

nad I’m not sure Plouffe won’t be starting by years end.

by b1 on Feb 24, 2011 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Clutch

All I know is Hardy was the king of un-clutch, well sadly him and Joe Mauer but Casilla is def clutch. I for one am ready to see what he’s got, Hardy was good in the NL for a couple years and is nearly washed up before 30, atleast Lexi still has upside. People were saying Delmon would never figure it out before last year and kept forgetting how young and rushed he was all along, not saying Casilla has DYoung potential but he’s sort of the same situation in my mind, if he doesn’t pan out now we know he’ll never be anything but raw tools.

by SpanFan on Feb 25, 2011 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

i wouldn't even compare casilla to hardy

not similar players at all. I’d compare him to Hudson before that

by Cody_3_twins on Feb 24, 2011 11:22 AM EST up reply actions  

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Morneau will return to form, no doubt in my mind… So the relationship between casilla and nishioka is my biggest concern because I think if one of them struggles mightily, the other is going to have a very hard time just to maintain! Just my thought… But also valencia should be an upgrade for a full year… But from the kid who wasn’t ready to begin last year w the team to what he showed me was fun to watch! So my question is what does this kid specifically work on cuz he batted for good avg., power, and he looked so calm and collected and patient too… And his defense is solid… So??

by B_McGinn on Feb 24, 2011 3:11 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Ya

I don’t understand why everyone is so nervous about Valencia. He was great last season and of course it’d be hard for him to exactly replicate those numbers again this season but I think that he has some major potential. And he is a ton of fun to watch, and he’s a funny tweeter, not that Twitter has anything to do with baseball, just saying lol 8)

"There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem—once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit." -Al Gallagher

by twinsgirl197 on Feb 24, 2011 8:32 PM EST up reply actions  

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