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Is Joe Mauer a good defensive catcher?
When Mauer won the gold glove this year, I realized I had no idea whether he deserved it. I mean, my impression was that he’s not a defensive liability, but I didn’t really know if he was average, elite, or somewhere in between. I’m certainly no scout, so the fact that he seems pretty good when I watch TV doesn’t mean a whole lot. Judging by the awards, his reputation in the league is quite good, but Gold Gloves are often handed out to the less-than deserving and Mauer would certainly qualify as a player who might get collateral respect for his defense since his all-around game is so amazing—the dreaded "Jeter effect."
At the same time, catcher defense is sort of the red-headed stepchild of sabermetrics. No one seems to know what to do with it, most just ignore it, and those that don’t usually find the experience equal parts baffling and regrettable. The so-called advanced metrics for the other defensive positions are mind-numbing enough.
But undaunted I remain. This is my attempt to see if I could slog through the tall weeds and find out what, if any, reliable information the numbers had to offer about catcher defense and Joe Mauer.
I started with some of the good-old-fashioned stats that are easy to understand. We’ll leave the really gnarly stuff for later.
Fielding percentage. Avoiding errors is only a small piece of the puzzle, but still, errors are bad. Yes, the scoring of errors is a subjective process prone to scorer bias, but again, it’s clearly better to have a high fielding percentage than a low one.
We have a pretty nice selection of fielding stats for catchers from 1956 on so let’s look at that group. To avoid oddities due to small sample sizes, we will look only at players who have started at least 520 games at catcher (about 4 full seasons worth). That gives us a group of 150 of the most accomplished catchers of the last 55 years (spreadsheet link at the bottom).
Out of those 150, Mauer’s fielding percentage of .996 comes in second overall. (He’s tied with Mike Redmond, oddly enough.) The average fielding percentage of the last 55 years for catchers is .989. That may not seem like a huge difference, but then, someone with a .989 fielding percentage would commit almost three times as many errors as Mauer over the same span. Mauer’s 21 errors over his career would instead be 54 or so.
Passed balls. A close cousin of the error, the passed ball suffers from some of the same scoring vagaries that fielding percentage does, but again, you clearly want to keep these off your baseball card.
Looking at that same group of 150 catchers, Mauer is 16th in fewest passed balls per inning caught. The average catcher of the last 55 years would allow about 16 passed balls for every 10 that get by the Chairman. So if Mauer were merely average on this score, he’d have 52 career passed balls instead of the 32 he actually has.
Wild pitches. Some argue that wild pitches should be counted along with passed balls when evaluating catcher defense. For one, catchers try to prevent both. For another, the difference between a passed ball and a wild pitch is often as much due to the scorer’s discretion as to anything else.
Side note: If you care to share my pain, I’ll fill you in on an odd problem with the wild-pitch data. It seems no one has the data for 2009. Fangraphs, bizarrely, has essentially no data on wild pitches for catchers after 2005. Equally weird, Baseball Reference has wild-pitch data for every year except for 2009. As far as I can tell, no one else has wild-pitch data for catchers. Not MLB.com, ESPN, cbssportsline, Baseball Prospectus, or Yahoo. So I’ve got this great spreadsheet with wild-pitch information on 150 catchers going back to 1956, but somehow 2009 got lost.
The effect of this when I look at wild-pitch rates is that it tends to give catchers who caught in 2009 a "free" year and therefore understate their true wild-pitch rate. It’s really annoying, but we can make a rough adjustment to compensate. Figure the rate at which the catcher allowed wild pitches in non-2009 years, and then figure how many they would have allowed in 2009 given the number of innings they caught (which we know). The numbers below reflect this adjustment. But it was annoying.
Out of the 150 catchers on our list, Mauer is slightly above average when it comes to preventing wild pitches. Fifty-ninth out of 150. Not his strongest point, but no shame there. You could speculate that the Baby Jesus gets the benefit of the doubt more than his pitchers, resulting in fewer passed balls for Mauer and more wild pitches for the mere mortals who throw to him.
But on the whole, Mauer is clearly quite good at controlling pitches. Looking at wild pitches plus passed balls per innings caught, Mauer is 35th out of 150. Just for some context, some of the great defensive catchers by reputation are ahead of Mauer on this list, like Gary Carter (16th) and Yadier Molina (27th), but so too are some catchers with somewhat poor defensive reps, like Victor Martinez (24th) and Mike Piazza (25th). Johnny Bench lags Mauer here (48th) and Ivan Rodriguez is way down at 121st! Mike Redmond, it must be noted, is a impressive 4th.
Stolen bases. Perhaps the most visible aspect of catcher defense is throwing out base runners. Mauer has thrown out 36% of would-be base stealers compared to an average of about 34%. That slightly-above-average showing is good for 61st on our list.
But you can prevent stolen bases in other ways. Perhaps most significantly, opposing managers and base runners should know better than to run on the best catchers unless the situation is very favorable. This "reputation effect" will tend to limit a well-thought-of catcher’s ability to throw out a very high percentage of runners, but will simultaneously drive down the total number of bases stolen (and of course the opposite will be true for catchers with the opposite reputation). Aside from reputation effect, catchers can call throw-overs, manage pitch selection, and do other subtle little things that discourage attempts in the first place.
So instead of looking simply at stolen-base success rates, we can look more broadly at how many bases were successfully stolen per catcher inning. On this measure, Mauer is near the top, 15th out of 150, one slot ahead of the great Johnny Bench. (Stolen-bases allowed per inning seems to line up pretty closely with my broad perceptions of catcher reputations. Yadier Molina is 1st and Ivan Rodriguez 13th. V-Mart is 113th and Piazza is 147th.) Mauer has allowed 257 stolen bases in his career, but if he had been stolen on at an average rate, he’d have allowed 419.
An interesting side-note: It’s generally not worth stealing unless you can do it successfully 75% of the time or more (link 1, link 2). The fact that the average catcher of the last 55 years only allowed successful steals 66% of the time suggests that managers and players simply steal far too much (paging Ron Gardenhire!). While still below the break-even rate, the stolen-base success rate is somewhat higher today than it was in the ’50s and ‘60s, which makes Mauer’s numbers a bit more impressive compared to those of the golden oldies.
Ok, I think that exhausts the easy stuff. Here’s a nice little chart of Mauer on these measures against the 21 active players with at least 520 games started at catcher. It’s in order of stolen bases allowed per 1,000 innings caught (about one season’s worth), and also shows rankings for stolen-base percentage, fielding percentage, and passed balls plus wild pitches per 1,000 innings:
|
Catcher |
SB/1000inn |
SB% |
Rank |
FP |
Rank |
(PB+WP)/1000inn |
Rank |
|
Yadier Molina |
28 |
0.53 |
1 |
0.993 |
8 |
34 |
6 |
|
Ivan Rodriguez |
39 |
0.54 |
2 |
0.991 |
12 |
47 |
17 |
|
Joe Mauer |
42 |
0.64 |
6 |
0.996 |
2 |
35 |
8 |
|
43 |
0.61 |
4 |
0.991 |
12 |
49 |
19 |
|
|
48 |
0.65 |
7 |
0.989 |
17 |
55 |
21 |
|
|
49 |
0.68 |
9 |
0.993 |
8 |
34 |
5 |
|
|
53 |
0.57 |
3 |
0.994 |
5 |
43 |
13 |
|
|
56 |
0.74 |
16 |
0.991 |
12 |
51 |
20 |
|
|
56 |
0.65 |
8 |
0.994 |
5 |
33 |
3 |
|
|
57 |
0.70 |
11 |
0.998 |
1 |
47 |
16 |
|
|
60 |
0.62 |
5 |
0.989 |
17 |
45 |
14 |
|
|
62 |
0.69 |
10 |
0.99 |
15 |
39 |
10 |
|
|
63 |
0.70 |
13 |
0.995 |
3 |
29 |
1 |
|
|
63 |
0.75 |
17 |
0.995 |
3 |
46 |
15 |
|
|
66 |
0.70 |
12 |
0.989 |
17 |
37 |
9 |
|
|
70 |
0.76 |
19 |
0.988 |
20 |
35 |
7 |
|
|
70 |
0.71 |
14 |
0.99 |
15 |
40 |
11 |
|
|
76 |
0.72 |
15 |
0.992 |
11 |
49 |
18 |
|
|
79 |
0.76 |
18 |
0.987 |
21 |
42 |
12 |
|
|
79 |
0.76 |
20 |
0.994 |
5 |
32 |
2 |
|
|
Victor Martinez |
81 |
0.76 |
21 |
0.993 |
8 |
33 |
4 |
Maybe it’s just me, but it’s pretty hard to eyeball that data and not conclude that Mauer is something like the 2nd-, 3rd-, or 4th-best defensive catcher in the group. He’s 3rd and 6th on the stolen-base measures, 2nd in fielding percentage, and 8th in controlling pitches. Pudge and some others might get allowances for having logged a lot of innings while in the decline phase of their careers; their rate numbers probably looked a touch sharper when they were Mauer’s age. And of course, this isn't looking at the harder-to-quantify stuff. But still, Mauer’s clearly in pretty rarified air here.
Ok. But do the so-called advanced metrics see it that way? This is where it gets a little nasty, so hang in there. (There’s no shame in taking a little break if you need to. Don’t be a hero.)
Fangraphs and rSB. Fangraphs doesn’t seem to give Mauer much credit. To the extent Fangraphs puts catcher defense into its WAR stat for modern-day catchers, Mauer is factored in at one run below the average catcher for his career. Because Fangraphs is so fantastically accessible, that’s the number I’ve seen most often. While I’ve always known to take catcher-defense stats with a grain of salt, I just sort of took for granted that that number was at least a good college try at determining backstop value based on whatever solid data there was.
But when you look into the matter, you find that Fangraphs’ attempt to quantify catcher defense is at best half-baked. There is no UZR for catcher defense like there is for other positions, so in its WAR stat Fangraphs instead just substitutes something called rSB, Catcher Stolen Bases Runs Saved. Here is a definition of rSB, to the extent I could find one:
How do you measure Catcher Stolen Base Runs Saved?
Catchers also have a hand in controlling the running game. We also control for the pitcher’s historical stolen base rates in order to isolate the catcher’s contributions. (italics added, link)
So it’s attempting to quantify just the ability to prevent stolen bases; it’s not trying to gauge pitch blocking, errors, or anything else. Yet still, how does Mauer end up a shade in the negative since by the basic measures we looked at above he seems at least above average if not quite good at preventing steals?
I’d speculate that the italicized sentence provides the answer. They control for pitchers’ historical stolen-base rates. So if Mauer caught pitchers with very good rates of preventing stolen bases, he would effectively be penalized. Which would make sense, except...doesn’t Mauer have a heck of a lot to do with his pitchers’ historical stolen-base rates? Most of the guys Mauer has caught have pitched much of their careers to him. If you strip out these pitchers’ career stolen-base rates, you are simultaneously stripping out Mauer’s own contributions.
Unless there’s a subtlety in rSB that I’m missing, just looking at the unadjusted stolen-base data seems like a far better (if hardly perfect) approach. While catchers are going to catch a fairly wide variety of pitchers, which will tend to smooth out the data over time, pitchers may throw a very large percentage of their innings to a particular catcher or two, making their stolen base rates very much a function of who those catchers happen to be. Thus, using the pitcher rate data to "fix" the catcher data seems like a big step backward to me. (I know, you too right?)
DRS. Defensive Runs Saved (DRS), a product of Baseball Info Solutions that’s available at both Fangraphs and Baseball Reference, simply takes rSB and adds to that a factor that attempts to quantify a catcher’s pitch-calling skill. I’m not sure how much stock we can put into this tricky enterprise, but Mauer gets solidly above-average marks on pitch calling (+13 runs), turning his -1 by rSB into a career score of +12 DRS.
I’m unsure if this is much more than a look at catcher ERA, which is sort of a dubious measure. But for what it’s worth, Mauer’s 3.94 catcher ERA is quite good and it makes sense he’d get points when someone tried to quantify pitch-calling ability. Still, like the rSB stat on which it is partially based, DRS doesn’t attempt to be a comprehensive measure of catcher defense and seems to be a fairly questionable measure of even the stolen-base and pitch-calling skills that it sets out to quantify.
FRAA at Baseball Prospectus. Even as a long-time subscriber, digging through Baseball Prospectus’s alphabet soup of proprietary stats can be a tough shovel. Although currently in the process of a complete overhaul, Fielding Runs Above Average (FRAA) is their current go-to defense stat and is used in their WARP calculation.
I certainly couldn’t explain to you exactly how it works for catchers (and their glossary provides precious little help), but this article seems to say that FRAA attempts to measure throwing out base runners, blocking pitches, and as a bonus they throw in a measurement for the fielding of balls in play. (The later measure doesn’t vary much among catchers and is a somewhat different approach than looking at fielding percentage.) Anywho, Mauer’s a full 34 runs above average on his career in FRAA, which despite its murkiness and impending obsolescence appears to be a more comprehensive, less problematic metric than rSB and DRS.
How does that stack up to other catchers? Unfortunately, Baseball Prospectus makes digging up FRAA data pretty damn difficult. To get Mauer’s +34 FRAA on his career I had to pull up a WARP report for each year in which he played and do several tedious rounds of addition(!) to get his career numbers; something I don’t especially care to do for a bunch of other catchers. But I made an exception for these Mauer contemporaries: On a per-1000-innings basis, you get V-Mart at -6 FRAA, McCann at -4, Mauer +5, Laird +10, and Yadier +15.
Total Zone. This is the one I like. Total Zone (TZ) is the defense component of Baseball Reference’s WAR stat (rWAR) and of Fangraph’s WAR stat (fWAR) for years prior to 2003. (Confusingly, it’s abbreviated "TZ" at Fangraphs and "Rtot" and "Rfield" at Baseball Reference.) Here’ s an explanation of how Total Zone does defense for catchers:
Catcher data looks at stolen bases allowed, caught stealing, errors, pickoffs, passed balls, and wild pitches. I split the data by pitcher handedness (otherwise a catcher will look better if he catches more lefthanders than normal.) Once again, everything is compared to league averages and converted to runs. (link)
Sing it sister! This sounds like what I’d expect from a fair attempt to quantify what is quantifiable about catcher defense. All the basic catcher stats are accounted for, there’s a sensible adjustment based on pitcher handedness, and then everything is converted into runs compared to league average so you can compare pretty well across eras. As a bonus, unlike rSB and DRS, which aren’t available prior to 2003, and FRAA, which is available, but only at the expense of a full weekend of stat gathering, career TZ numbers are easily accessible at Fangraphs and Baseball Reference and go all the way back to 1956.
So how does Mauer compare by Total Zone? First, here’s Mauer with the 21 currently active catchers with at least 520 games started at catcher, ranked in order of most runs above average per 1000 catcher innings:
|
Inn |
TZ |
TZ/1000inn. |
|
|
Yadier Molina |
6518 |
75 |
11.5 |
|
Henry Blanco |
6302 |
55 |
8.7 |
|
Ivan Rodriguez |
20043 |
164 |
8.2 |
|
Joe Mauer |
6187 |
45 |
7.3 |
|
Gerald Laird |
4686 |
33 |
7.0 |
|
Brad Ausmus |
15840 |
99 |
6.2 |
|
Rod Barajas |
6948 |
28 |
4.0 |
|
Yorvit Torrealba |
5229 |
21 |
4.0 |
|
Jason LaRue |
6847 |
13 |
1.9 |
|
Ramon Hernandez |
10710 |
17 |
1.6 |
|
Russell Martin |
5499 |
8 |
1.5 |
|
Chris Snyder |
4747 |
4 |
0.8 |
|
Miguel Olivo |
6583 |
2 |
0.3 |
|
Jason Varitek |
11591 |
0 |
0.0 |
|
Jason Kendall |
17478 |
-20 |
-1.1 |
|
Brian McCann |
5936 |
-10 |
-1.7 |
|
Victor Martinez |
6943 |
-12 |
-1.7 |
|
Jorge Posada |
12870 |
-28 |
-2.2 |
|
A.J. Pierzynski |
11086 |
-28 |
-2.5 |
|
John Buck |
5656 |
-16 |
-2.8 |
|
Gregg Zaun |
8233 |
-32 |
-3.9 |
So Mauer’s fourth on this list, which jives pretty nicely with what we figured by eyeballing his performance on the basic catcher stats we looked at above. The other catchers also seem to line up about as you’d expect. (And if you care to see another ranking by someone who independently followed a similar method to calculate defensive value for catchers from 2002-2009, take a peek at this post at this post over at Bless You Boys.)
Now going back to the list of 150 catchers, here are the top 25 by TZ per 1000 innings:
|
Inn |
TZ |
TZ/1000inn. |
||
|
1 |
Yadier Molina |
6518 |
75 |
11.5 |
|
2 |
Charlie O'Brien |
5971 |
58 |
9.7 |
|
3 |
Del Crandall* |
7922 |
72 |
9.1 |
|
4 |
Ron Karkovice |
6972 |
62 |
8.9 |
|
5 |
Henry Blanco |
6302 |
55 |
8.7 |
|
6 |
Ivan Rodriguez |
20043 |
164 |
8.2 |
|
7 |
Rick Wilkins |
5041 |
41 |
8.1 |
|
8 |
Tom Pagnozzi |
6672 |
53 |
7.9 |
|
9 |
Clay Dalrymple |
7834 |
62 |
7.9 |
|
10 |
Steve Yeager |
9424 |
70 |
7.4 |
|
11 |
9720 |
71 |
7.3 |
|
|
12 |
Joe Mauer |
6187 |
45 |
7.3 |
|
13 |
Jim Sundberg |
15900 |
114 |
7.2 |
|
14 |
Gerald Laird |
4686 |
33 |
7.0 |
|
15 |
Mike LaValliere |
6565 |
46 |
7.0 |
|
16 |
Johnny Bench |
14488 |
97 |
6.7 |
|
17 |
Mike Ryan |
5001 |
32 |
6.4 |
|
18 |
Yogi Berra* |
5115 |
32 |
6.3 |
|
19 |
Brad Ausmus |
15840 |
99 |
6.2 |
|
20 |
John Sterns |
5869 |
36 |
6.1 |
|
21 |
Kirt Manwaring |
7684 |
47 |
6.1 |
|
22 |
Gary Carter |
17369 |
106 |
6.1 |
|
23 |
Bob Boone |
18459 |
107 |
5.8 |
|
24 |
Mike Redmond |
5362 |
31 |
5.8 |
|
25 |
Rick Dempsey |
12324 |
70 |
5.7 |
(* stats are only partial career stats because Crandall and Berra started playing before 1956)
So there’s our guy, snuggled right in cozy-like with the greatest defensive catchers of the last 55 years. Ahead of Bench, Carter, late-career Berra, and Carlton Fisk (69th).
There’s nothing gospel about the TZ numbers—I’m sure they’re imperfect in all sorts of ways and no one is going to accurately capture all the significant intangibles that go into catching nor control for all the potentially confounding variables. But comparing it to the other advanced stats that are widely available, it’s relatively straightforward, relatively comprehensive, and it seems to be backed up pretty nicely by our look at the good-old-fashioned stats everyone understands.
As I said above, I really didn’t know going into this if Mauer was anything much more than a solid average on defense. But I’m pretty convinced now that he’s a really excellent catcher. Forget his bat, based on his defense he could start in MLB even if he were as bad a hitter as, say, Gerald Laird! His performance will probably tail off some as he ages, but he can decline considerably and still be a really solid MLB catcher. Something to think about whenever the next round of move-Mauer-to-third comes up.
(But is he a good hitter for a catcher? That one’s easy. So far he’s been the third-best hitting catcher of all time. Go here and sort by wRC+--a great stat for comparing overall offensive performance across leagues and across eras. And no one’s arguing that Mike Piazza and Gene Tenace were great shakes on defense.)
Here’s a spreadsheet with the data on the 150 catchers if you care to look in more detail. (It reflects the adjustment I discussed above for the 2009 wild-pitch data.)
The end.
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Man it's hard to get one of these to format right.
I’d try to fix the extra spaces, but I’m afraid something would go haywire again on me.
This is great work
I especially like the analysis of how dubious Fangraphs’ rSB is. After reading this, and a lot of stuff about how Fangraphs measures defense as a factor of a player’s value, I will be much more skeptical about bold-faced claims that “so and so is worth such and such” because Fangraphs says so. The fact that it’s so accessible and widely used only makes it more dangerous.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Exactly my thinking
when fangraphs says, “so ans so was worth 18.5M last year” it frustrates me to know en.
and especially when people Everywhere seem to use it as some kind of gold standard… Eh em Aaron Gleman cough and many many others…
I called it - Joe Mauer's first career Home-Run at Target Field !!!
"Matt Millen ran Barry Sanders out of town he Drove the Lions into the ground
and now he acts as if he is a know it all NFL analyst" -favre
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Feb 7, 2011 3:26 AM EST up reply actions
Catcher defense on FanGraphs has always been shaky
They acknowledge that. Most everything else is tons more reliable.
Fan Scouting Report
Joe gets a 76 on the FSR, which equates to a +13. Tango has 50 as average. 20 points is 1 SD. 1SD = 10 runs. So another resource suggesting Mauer is a plus defender. Here’s the link, if anyone’s interested. http://www.tangotiger.net/scout/index5.php.
It's an interesting project, but I haven't really looked into it that closely
I’m always more suspicious of mass hysteria than “the wisdom of crowds.” They ask people to vote on Fangraphs every once and a while and my impulse is always to just vote for the players that I really like a lot. If everyone else is like me, it would result in pretty rosy results.
Dude
Nice post – really good read.
Sing it sister!
This is impressive work indeed
A rec for pure effort for you!
Really interesting indeed.
by twinscrazy_german on Feb 6, 2011 2:04 PM EST reply actions
A rec for pure effort for you!
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"Gardy MOY. Feel great disturbance in Force. As if millions of Internet cranks cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced." -BatGirl
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Feb 6, 2011 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
A rec for pure effort for you!
Do you want to know the terrifying truth, or do you want to see me sock a few dingers?
None of those posts were actually rec'd
Apparently there wasn’t as much “pure effort” as the others thought.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
I wondered that too
They all must have hit the wrong Rec button.
by twinscrazy_german on Feb 8, 2011 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
They all flagged each other's posts instead
This was a triumph
I'm making a note here - huge success
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Feb 8, 2011 1:57 PM EST up reply actions
Rec’d
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Feb 8, 2011 5:42 PM EST up reply actions
Good work, Luke
Nice post and a good examination of what is statistically available. From what I’ve read over the years, scouts and baseball people have always loved Mauer’s defense as well.
Nice posting Luke
I’ve been watching catchers for many years and it didn’t make sense that Mauer was considered below average. I think we are watching an excellent catcher at work when Mauer plays.
A fun read.
Thanks
"You got to be careful if you don't know where you're going, because you might not get there." - Yogi Berra
Luke, this is really incredible work.
I’ll be promoting this outside this community. Seriously, good work!
Thanks!
Now i feel guilty about the formatting.
Formatting is fine.
Unless you know html really well (and I don’t), charts like these will have to settle for basic.
I know it's REALLY good . . .
. . . when I just barely decide to even read it, and then am drawn in to a smiling pleasure. More stats heavy than some of the classics, but SERIOUSLY good.
My impression
Haven’t read this through yet, will try to very soon, but my impression of Mauer from watching him play has been he’s always been a good, athletic catcher. His arm is very, very strong, as good as anybody else’s in the game, and he is able to make some very athletic plays. He really shuts the running game down as well as anybody (very few guys who aren’t good basestealers will even bother to try off Mauer).
That said, I also think his plate blocking abilities are somewhat worse than they were maybe back in 2006. I always thought they were just good, rather than great, but I’ve seen him kind of bungle a few block opportunities that maybe he shouldn’t have in recent years, making me think he’s not so awesome at that now. He still has the great arm though. It’s tough to say how accurate that scouting report is, and then how to weigh those two factors.
I’ll have to read through this.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
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~ Billy Beane
Plate blocking
One of the things that affects my scouting eye on Mauer is how effortless he makes it look back there. He really tries to keep his body as quiet as possible. So when the pitcher has the wrong sign and a ball skips by him, it looks like he’s not doing everything he can to block it. This leaves me with the impression that he could do a better job on blocking pitches. But the numbers don’t lie. He is really good at this. He just makes a lot of tough plays look easy because he catches them in his glove. A lot of these are balls that hit off another catcher’s shin guards and roll 50 feet from home plate.
The one thing that none of the stats takes into account is the catch-and-tag play. It doesn’t happen that often, but when it does, it is the difference between a run and an out. Not many plays are that significant (like robbing homers). I have watched a lot of catchers, and I can say Joe is the best I’ve ever seen at this play. He’s always in the perfect position. He always waits ‘till just the right time to catch the ball and apply the tag. And he’s big enough to never get bowled over.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Great range on foul pop-ups also.
Mauer is faster than most catchers. I would have to guess he gets to more foul balls.
Yeah, he may have tailed off a bit in the last couple years,
although he’s always put up above-average numbers. His TZ numbers for his career are 2 (2004), 7, 6, 11, 12, 3, 4 (2010). With the defense stats, it’s always a little questionable to look at data for just a single year when you’re trying to assess skill going forward. But it’s certainly possible that his best days on defense are behind him. It’s not an old-man’s game.
Terrific fanpost.
So Joe Mauer is good. Who would’ve guessed?
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Feb 6, 2011 3:30 PM EST reply actions
Rec'd BTW.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Feb 6, 2011 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
Fantastic effort here, really Impressive work.
Rec’d
I agree with Adam though, that his plate blocking skills have trailed off these past two years, and especially 2010. Maybe that has something to do with his knees and/or hips sustaining alot of injury over his career?
FREE AIRWOLF!
Just based on the numbers his 2010 wasn't bad,
His career rate is 32 passed ball plus wild pitchers per 1000 innings and last year he had 31 in 952 innings. But the numbers don’t always reflect skill level in small sample sizes.
2009 could have been a bad year, but we don’t really know because no one seems to have the wild-pitch data for 2009.
I'd say 2010 was a down year defensively for Mauer
He was a little nicked up. Even in a down year he was one of the best in the American League.
Stolen Bases
I think much of the criticism of Mauer’s defense comes from the reduction of throw outs on base stealers. Mauer has a staff that, on the whole, isn’t great at holding runners on and getting the ball to the plate. Also, Mauer’s injury this past season hurt his throwing for awhile. It is my impression that Mauer has a good to great arm and great mechanics yielding a fine throwing arm. I don’t think he falls into the fastball-fastball-fastball trap when a potential base stealer is on. I think overall Mauer is a fine defender. I doubt that he is the best in the AL, but his defense is a big asset.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Feb 6, 2011 5:19 PM EST reply actions
Perfect job
Maybe the single best post I have read on this site. Didn’t cherry pick positive or negative stats, wrote the article unbiasedly, and used a great sample size. Perfect form!
There are only two catchers that I have watched, i’m not as old as some of you, who I can really say I feel are better defensive catchers then Mauer. First would be Pudge in his prime, maybe the best defensive catcher ever, and Yady Molina. We can note that Pudge is past his prime and Molina has been in the NL the whole time Mauer has played.
I have always heard that the stats say Mauer is a average to below average catcher, never took the time to look them up myself, and after reading your post I wonder where the F**K does that come from? Does Mauer get a few GG votes because of his bat/name? Sure, but unlike Jeter he actually deserves the award.
Great work
Really excellent post. Ultimately there is no statistical answer for catcher defense at this point in time, but Luke does a great job looking at what’s out there.
Great work...
I’d also note that SB rate is very dependent on the pitchers (probably even moreso than catchers) and that Mauer hasn’t exactly had pitchers that are “quick to the plate” in his time in the big leagues. That probably works against his SB rate stats as well.
It’s always been my impression that, outside of Yady, he’s got the best arm in the bigs. Maybe that I’ve ever seen. Good to see a lot of the above back this up.
Could be...
Those 3 are definitely at the top for me, IMO.
The name I haven't seen mentioned
Benito Santiago….. I remember seeing him throw Vince Coleman out twice in one game… FROM HIS KNEES!!!! ….. THAT guy had a bazooka attatched to his right shoulder.
but the right pony can be like a friend with benefits...-montanatwinsfan 2/2/11
by carlpavanosmoustache on Feb 8, 2011 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
He doesn't jump out by the numbers.
He’s sort of average on the stolen base measures and a little below on errors and blocking pitchers. Right at the middle of the 150 in terms of Total Zone per inning. (Maybe he unnecesarily handicapped himself by throwing from his kness?) I do remember him having a rep from my baseball-card-collecting days.
He was a total iron man though, and you have to point out that guys who have caught 15,000 innings or more (20,000 for Pudge) have accomplished things that the Mauers and Yadiers of the world may never approach—or may only approach after having declined considerably as defensive catchers.
I can't believe
how much work went into this post. I went through fifty years of my life knowing nothing but batting average, home runs and RBI’s. Having this advanced information makes baseball that much more enjoyable. I love this site. Great work.
Thanks, but it's maybe not as much work as you think.
You can have a lot of fun with baseball stats if you know your way around a few of the sites and have basic facility with Excel. Fangraphs in particular allows just fabulous—and seemingly always improving—slicing and sorting and grouping of just a ton of great stats. And they also make it really easy to download the data into a spreadsheet and cut it up further on your own. I don’t always agree with their articles and methods, but on a power-to-the-people basis, they’re perfect.
Hey Jesse, got any pull with Rob Neyer?
This post should be on the national feed, imo.
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Maybe not yet
But get the 2009 data and let him loose on another article.
This article is getting good reviews on Baseball Think Factory
6. Woe to Hice (Voxter) Posted: February 07, 2011 at 08:30 PM (#3745593)
Is it just me, or was this an exceptionally well-written and -researched article? I thought it was fantastic.
That's cool.
I like to prowl around over there, but they never activated my account so I can’t comment. I must not have cleared the FBI background check or something.
This is why he stays put
He wouldn’t be as good of a defender at another position, let alone losing the offensive advantage.
Framing
About halfway through the post I started wondering about this. I would imagine that if you have a catcher that is great at framing pitches as opposed to someone who isn’t or doesn’t do it you might, if you are able to get the data and use it correctly, you should – in theory – find a correlation between a catcher’s framing ability and the amount of borderline pitches that are called strikes as opposed balls.
Obviously this would amount to a huge data search project, as I don’t think that kind of data would be readily available.
You would obviously have to go through pitch f/x data for specific games, find out who the catcher was, figure out what calls you define “borderline” and essentially count how many times a pitch was called a strike or ball when considered borderline.
Then you would obviously need a huge amount of samples as there should be other factors involved here:
umpire, type of pitch (movement – did it seem to fall into the strikezone so when it was above it, might have had a better chance at being called a strike although it was a ball) and other factors.
I would imagine, however, that with enough data you would have to find some kind of trend in it.
I would try doing this kind of thing, if I didn’t have exams coming up in two weeks and really shouldn’t procrascinate, but maybe that would be something for another time.
I would think you would try to start with maybe two or three catchers that are either considered great at framing or bad at framing (if people even have reputations for that) so if there is an actual correlation seen in the data, you can see it faster.
Any ideas who one might pick for that?
by twinscrazy_german on Feb 7, 2011 10:58 AM EST reply actions
You could do a scatterplot versus the Pitch FX data
I know they have compared various umpires and there have been trends as to which ones give the inside corner, outside corner, high pitch or low pitch. You could do the same with catchers. Overlay the Pitch FX data with the strike/ball for certain catchers and see if the catchers are getting more borderline pitches called strikes.
This has been done, I remember seeing a couple people do it at beyond the boxscore
Not in a position to go find a link right at the moment though.
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by Steven Ellingson on Feb 7, 2011 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
Found it
http://www.lookoutlanding.com/2010/2/1/1285412/framing-the-framing-debate
Those Seattle people are some darn stat-geeks.
For those who don’t care to read it, he took Rob Johnson and Kenji Johjima over a whole season and figured the difference between them is worth 2 runs over 10.000 pitches by his calculations.
by twinscrazy_german on Feb 7, 2011 1:32 PM EST up reply actions
hee, hee - you said Rob Johnson
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Me? Just another sheeple on the internets.
by montanatwinsfan on Feb 7, 2011 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
Ah Butte, home of the world's largest pool of poison open to tourists
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I don't understand this comment
It almost sounds sarcastic, as if you have a problem with America’s largest (geographically) superfund site, or North America’s largest open pit mine, or a humungous open pool of toxic poison.
cmath, I might never understand you.
Me? Just another sheeple on the internets.
by montanatwinsfan on Feb 7, 2011 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
The funny part is, there's a bridge over it for tourists
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
And in an unrelated note
Luke has the two highest “rec’d” fanposts on TwinkieTown.
Props to you!
by twinscrazy_german on Feb 7, 2011 11:06 AM EST reply actions
Cool, thanks.
Are these “props” redeemable for anything?
Catcher Defense...
Love the information in this post by the way, very good read!
As for Mauer’s defense, I’d say he’s very above average, top 5 in MLB for sure, but he’s also aided by elite athleticism for a catcher.
2 plays I saw last year define Mauer’s D behind the plate:
1. the race back to the plate to tag out Brett Gardner that someone else linked above, and…
2. the reach-a-round the netting snag of a foul popup at Target Field against Kansas City…
No other Catcher in baseball makes those 2 plays. That is why Mauer is great as far as his defense is concerned.
got a little long...
But for what I read it was very well done. I’d be curious what his numbers were not including last season as it seems his pitchers did a dreadful job helping him. Most of the steals on him he had absolutely no shot at throwing them out.
I would suspect Drew Butera’s season last year rates very highly from defensive standpoint for a catcher. He’s obviously not as athletic as Mauer, but seemed quicker out of his crouch with just as strong of an arm. He sure didn’t make it to the Big League’s because of his bat, so you know they think highly of his D. Butera also threw out runners at a much better clip than Mauer, and that was while predominantly catching Carl Pavano, who is notoriously atrocious at keeping running games in check. Mauer I think had some shoulder issues most of the year last year, so he was pretty avg. (or below even) as far as throwing basestealer’s out (19/72 = 26.4%), while Butera was very good (16/37=43.2%). Yadier Molina for example, threw out 33 of 68 runners (48.5%).
If this hasn't been said before...
You don’t know if Joe Mauer is good at catching and either do the voters who vote on the Gold Glove winners. Don’t feel bad. Those who vote on this award have only recently been inandated with statistical analysis on fielding to back up their voting reasoning. Voting often times went to those who won it the year before or if there was some media buzz on another player they often would get them. Gold Gloves are a joke because the majority of the people who vote on the award have no clue what “good defense” is. They are guessing. Also, the award is often times associated with who is the best player at their position… as pointed out – “The Jeter Effect”. Jeter clearly is not the best defensive SS in the A.L. but year after year – SHOCKING! – Jeter wins another GG.
This is true about GGs
Mauer for sure gets votes because of his bat/name, like Jeter, but at least when all is said and done and people look back at Mauer his stats will back them up. Not as much can be said about Jeter or several other GG winners.
The Staff
Does Mauer get good marks/benefit in this analysis for pitching with a low walk rate high control staff? Liriano’s the only pitcher who makes him work in the dirt and Pavano’s the only one who struggles to hold runners and the rest I think really limit the need for him to limit the blocking and throwing. That’s always been my impression. I always thought he was good but never got the impression he was elite defensively when looking at how he manages the game.
Excellent analysis by the way. I’m now much more certain he’s better than average but not by how much.
The relievers work in the dirt
Lots more sliders in the bullpen
2009 passed balls
I was surprised that the other sites don’t have that data, but we have it at the Hardball Times, and it was included in the 2010 Annual. If you want, contact me through THT’s contact form and I’ll send you the stats.

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