Happy Mauer Day, Everybody!
Well, hopefully.
Based on reports from Fort Myers, it sounds hopeful the Twins' franchise player will make his spring training debut as the DH in today's game against the Mets.
Let me be among the first to say: welcome back, Joe.
It hasn't exactly been smooth sailing for Joe Mauer over the past year. He took a lot of heat for failing to duplicate his 2009 MVP performance in 2010, and he saw his year end with an injured knee and another disappointing playoff appearance. He had surprise (to us, not to him, hopefully) knee surgery in December and last month required a lubricant injection into the knee. That injection not only delayed his start in camp, but also created a (minor and seemingly temporary) rift between him and Gardenhire.
Mauer is obviously going to face a lot of questions coming back into camp. People want to know about the knee, if he's ready to "rebound" in 2011, whether he'll be able to adapt to Target Field this season. Yes, people will certainly want to know a lot of things about the franchise player with the $23 million price tag.
Obviously, we're going to be talking about these issues all season long. You simply cannot talk about the Twins without talking about Mauer. In fact, Mauer has the distinction of not only being the most popular figure in the organization, but probably it's most divisive, as well.
In honor of Joe's return, and in preparation for his eighth season in the majors (yeah, eighth, that made me feel old), I thought we could take a step back just to appreciate how truly special Joe is as a player. Below I've put down five ways of measuring Joe's greatness - I invite you to add you own.
The way I figure it, we'll have months to have our usual debates over what the man hasn't done or is failing to do. Today, let's reflect on the remarkable things he has accomplished. Because we are witnessing something special, and it won't last forever.
The numbers after the jump.
1. If we take out his injury-shortened rookie season, Joe has been the second most valuable player in baseball over the course of his career.
Stat: Baseball Reference's Wins Above Replacement
|
Rk |
Player |
WAR/pos |
From |
To |
Age |
G |
|
1 |
Albert Pujols |
50.8 |
2005 |
2010 |
25-30 |
929 |
|
2 |
Joe Mauer |
37.2 |
2005 |
2010 |
22-27 |
801 |
|
3 |
Chase Utley |
37 |
2005 |
2010 |
26-31 |
869 |
|
4 |
Alex Rodriguez |
34.7 |
2005 |
2010 |
29-34 |
873 |
|
5 |
Mark Teixeira |
32.2 |
2005 |
2010 |
25-30 |
927 |
2. Mauer is not just a good hitter "for a catcher," he's one of the best hitters in baseball, period. Again, taking out his rookie year, during his career, Mauer has ranked as the 14th best hitter in the majors.
Stat: Baseball Reference's Adjusted Batting Runs
|
Rk |
Player |
BtRuns |
From |
To |
Age |
G |
|
1 |
Albert Pujols |
401.26 |
2005 |
2010 |
25-30 |
929 |
|
2 |
Miguel Cabrera |
275.72 |
2005 |
2010 |
22-27 |
943 |
|
3 |
Alex Rodriguez |
253.75 |
2005 |
2010 |
29-34 |
873 |
|
4 |
Mark Teixeira |
220.59 |
2005 |
2010 |
25-30 |
927 |
|
5 |
Manny Ramirez |
218.89 |
2005 |
2010 |
33-38 |
762 |
|
6 |
David Ortiz |
216.44 |
2005 |
2010 |
29-34 |
863 |
|
7 |
Lance Berkman |
208.19 |
2005 |
2010 |
29-34 |
854 |
|
8 |
David Wright |
203.7 |
2005 |
2010 |
22-27 |
935 |
|
9 |
Matt Holliday |
202.91 |
2005 |
2010 |
25-30 |
891 |
|
10 |
Chipper Jones |
201.57 |
2005 |
2010 |
33-38 |
719 |
|
11 |
Ryan Howard |
187.84 |
2005 |
2010 |
25-30 |
856 |
|
12 |
Prince Fielder |
184.49 |
2005 |
2010 |
21-26 |
836 |
|
13 |
Adrian Gonzalez |
183.64 |
2005 |
2010 |
23-28 |
842 |
|
14 |
Joe Mauer |
178.72 |
2005 |
2010 |
22-27 |
801 |
|
15 |
Chase Utley |
173.96 |
2005 |
2010 |
26-31 |
869 |
3. But, for a catcher, Mauer is an absolutely extraordinary hitter.
Do I need to elaborate? Three batting titles and an MVP should probably suffice. But try this:
Stat: Full-time catchers in the expansion era (1961-present), sorted by OPS+
|
Rk |
Player |
OPS+ |
PA |
From |
To |
Age |
|
1 |
Mike Piazza |
142 |
7745 |
1992 |
2007 |
23-38 |
|
2 |
Joe Mauer |
136 |
3578 |
2004 |
2010 |
21-27 |
|
3 |
Johnny Bench |
126 |
8669 |
1967 |
1983 |
19-35 |
|
4 |
Jorge Posada |
123 |
6763 |
1995 |
2010 |
23-38 |
|
5 |
Victor Martinez |
121 |
4224 |
2002 |
2010 |
23-31 |
|
6 |
Chris Hoiles |
119 |
3338 |
1989 |
1998 |
24-33 |
|
7 |
Carlton Fisk |
117 |
9853 |
1969 |
1993 |
21-45 |
|
8 |
Ted Simmons |
117 |
9685 |
1968 |
1988 |
18-38 |
|
9 |
Joe Ferguson |
116 |
3624 |
1970 |
1983 |
23-36 |
|
10 |
Thurman Munson |
116 |
5903 |
1969 |
1979 |
22-32 |
How about against his contemporaries?
|
Rk |
Player |
OPS+ |
PA |
From |
To |
Age |
|
1 |
Joe Mauer |
136 |
3578 |
2004 |
2010 |
21-27 |
|
2 |
Jorge Posada |
125 |
3311 |
2004 |
2010 |
32-38 |
|
3 |
Victor Martinez |
123 |
4014 |
2004 |
2010 |
25-31 |
|
4 |
Brian McCann |
122 |
2938 |
2005 |
2010 |
21-26 |
|
5 |
Mike Napoli |
118 |
1804 |
2006 |
2010 |
24-28 |
4. But we shouldn't forget about his durability. Despite the knee injuries and the constant speculation over a possible position change, Mauer has been exceptionally durable during his career. In fact, between 2005 and 2010, only four catchers managed to log more innings behind than plate than Mauer.
|
Name |
Pos |
G |
GS |
Inn |
From |
To |
|
Jason Kendall |
C |
820 |
815 |
7194 |
2005 |
2010 |
|
A.J. Pierzynski |
C |
779 |
740 |
6631 |
2005 |
2010 |
|
Yadier Molina |
C |
740 |
710 |
6174 |
2005 |
2010 |
|
Brian McCann |
C |
714 |
682 |
5936 |
2005 |
2010 |
|
Joe Mauer |
C |
687 |
664 |
5930 |
2005 |
2010 |
5. Joe Mauer is clearly on a Hall of Fame career path.
We discussed this in September.
Here's to another great (and healthy season) to Joe. Let's just hope we get to add some playoff wins to his already impressive resume.
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Career OBP for a catcher
Gleeman has a nice note about this in today’s post:
OBP for a catcher and with least 2,500 plate appearances during the past 50 years:
Joe Mauer .407
Mike Piazza .377
Jorge Posada .376
Victor Martinez .369
Jason Kendall .366
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
We are lucky to have him
Especially since the alternative was Mark Prior. Joe isn’t above criticism but overall he is one of the best players of his era. People who are in love with HR’s may not think so but his gap power is substantial and his ability to get hits, along with a keen eye to take a base, is extraordinary. Add to that, that his ability to run is among the best at his position too. Defensively he has a cannon behind the plate and despite his height has a quick enough release to be effective in throwing out base steallers.. No one ever has been like him at his position and he may go down as the absolute best if he can maintain this pace for another 7-10 years.
by Al Damlo on Mar 16, 2011 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Best catcher ever is a difficult task
Josh Gibson was pretty awesome.
Mauer could be in the same class as Bench and Berra and possibly exceed their greatness.
gibson, huh?
Nobody that played during or before the 30’s does much for me. Especially one that never faced major league pitching every day. I have heard the same things you have about Gibson and it is rediculous that he wasn’t allowed to play in MLB but to follow blindly with the rumors of Gibson’s greatness as the ultimate pinacle for which a catcher can reach is somewhat like trying to become a super-hero… unless you are over 85, saw him, and can vouch for his greatness.
7-10 years at the catcher position at the pace he is on now and he is the greatest catcher of all time… he will have close to 3000 hits, 200+ HR’s, close to 1500 RBI’s and Runs and an OPS near .900… but yes ‘mr mpls’ , he has to stay healthy and no matter how good a catcher is, one serious injury can swing things completely around (See Jason Kendall’s first 5 years). Fingers crossed that doesn’t happen to Joe.
Mauer's my favorite player too
But your projections don’t make sense. He’s not on pace to get close to 3000, 200 or 1500.
The only point we’re making is that its hard to project “best ever”. He’d need a few more 2009-type seasons. I’m sure hoping we see a few more of those, but seeing Cochrane, Dickey and Berra in his top five comps is enough to please me for now.
And don’t knock the Gib. That guy was was amazing. The 1930s aren’t that far back in time. You make it sound like we only have oral legends from that era. Lots of contemporary accounts from that era of history actually got written down. :-)
Okay...
Projections, I did them in my head… I wasn’t that far off…
If he plays an average of 146 games for the next ten years at his current averages he will have 2785 hits, 1396 runs, 1300 RBI’s and 223 HR’s… I wasn’t that far off… he will get “Close” to those numbers.
Mauer… not my favorite player… close though… definately in my top 10.
There is no doubt that Gibson was a great baseball player… maybe you are right, maybe the best of all time (no way to know). I just don’t include those guys in comparison to modern day players. I understand some do and I respect their view, I just don’t subscribe to their points of view.
Then stop saying "of all time"
If you really mean “after 1950”
1950 is cleaner
Integration started in 1947. WWII era baseball has many more issues with the quality of play than any era back to 1890.
There are a few big breaks in the baseball timeline. 1891 is one, 1901 is another and 1947 is the latest unless you think expansion or the DH was a big deal.
Josh Gibson faced major league pitchers
Not only did he face black major league pitchers, he faced white pitchers in barnstorming games. They kept records and he was one of the best hitters ever – like if Jimmie Foxx could play catcher. It isn’t just anecdotal evidence, although the anecdotes are pretty impressive.
I guess you don’t think much of Babe Ruth either.
Not really...
No, not a big Babe Ruth guy either. He changed the sport for the better, transcended the game, but in my opinion, in this era we see very different results.
Ruth came up as a pitcher
Ruth won 26 games in his last year as a pitcher on the Red Sox. Of course, back then it was typical for a pitcher to complete his games, so we can assume he pretty much dominated hitters for nine innings most of the time he appeared.
Oh yeah, and he hit 714 home runs in the dead ball era. Nice arm, decent bat. Yeah, I think he would do okay, even today. Of course, he probably would benefit from modern training techniques, so he’d be a lot stronger. Nutrition is better today, and there’s almost no way the league would let him smoke cigars all day, so the throat cancer might not have appeared at all.
As for the whoring and drunken carousing, Ruth would fit right in with today’s wealthy debauchletes.
Is it really eight years?
Dang. I remember watching him slide on that godforsaken Metrodome warning track.
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why are
McCann and to a lesser extent Napoli not on the best hitting catchers list?
REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.
Oops
Should have explained…I used arbitrary cut-off points for the two lists. I used at least 3,000 PAs for the 1961-2010 list, and 1,000 PAs for the 2004-2010 list. McCann would have been on the 1961-2010 list if the cut-off would have been 2,900. I should have noticed that.
It is a reminder, though: McCann is a phenomenal ballplayer, and perhaps one of the most underrated/under-appreciated players in the game.
Perspective
One can watch a team for a lifetime and not have the pleasure of watching an all-time great in his prime. It’s fun, appreciate it from time to time.
On an unrelated but AMAZING note.
BASEBALL BASEBALL BASEBALL I HAVE TICKETS!
Tuesday evening game against the Royals and I couldn’t be happier!
I am extremely jealous
My friend told me I should ask if I can come too but that would be kinda creepy, and I’m not that desperate (yet) lol:)
"There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem—once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit." -Al Gallagher
by twinsgirl197 on Mar 16, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, that will be fun.
Glad you were able to get some. I’m sure better/more seats will become available on Saturday…
"Huh. I thought the FAQ had you listed as "Twinkie Town Goddess" but hey, whatever you prefer." -wayback, 3/9/11
I mean, so you can get more, not in the 'you probably got screwed' sense.
Ahem.
"Huh. I thought the FAQ had you listed as "Twinkie Town Goddess" but hey, whatever you prefer." -wayback, 3/9/11
The batting average is pretty amazing.
3 batting titles. .327 for a guy who’s not exactly a speedster. Only Ichiro and Pujols (.331 each) are better over the last decade (minimum 2000 PA).
I thought Mauer day was today
Isn’t today Joseph “St.” Patrick Mauer day?

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