Neshek to San Deigo
by AdamOnFirst on Mar 20, 2011 1:53 PM EDT
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PrintPat Neshek just announced on Twitter that he is now a Padre. More to come...
From @PatNeshek at 11:50 CDT
I just got news that I am now a member of the San Diego Padres, packing up & heading west.
No other confirmation of the news yet...
Update 12:00 CDT
MLB Trade rumors reports as well. So far, the only news is from Neshek's Twitter feed, via the tweet above. No news on if the transaction was some sort of trade, or what the Twins might have gotten in return. No doubt the Twins beat reporter's Twitters will be the place to watch for the next few minutes...
Update 2
Multiple other sources are reporting on this as well. It hasn't been confirmed officially yet, but all reports say the move was a straight waiver acquisition by the Padres. Certainly, the bullpen situation is far clearer now.
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All the best to him.
He had bad luck with the injuries, but he always was a stand-up guy.
Wonder what the Twins get in return.
"I'm not a broadcaster! I'm me!"--Ron Santo
Nothing for Neshek or Delaney!
who next Slowey and Perk,
by b1 on Mar 20, 2011 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's what they're worth
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Delaney, yes, but not Neshek...
How can you say that when he’s claimed off waivers before anyone knows he’s even on waivers… We could have easily gotten an average AA prospect
Why would they do that?
Of course they’ve been shopping him and nobody was willing to give up more than the waiver price. You actually think they would pass up a player if they could have gotten one?! You have to give them the benefit of the doubt there.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
I don't think they tried to trade him.
they gave him a chance to make the team, he was’nt going to make it, so they cut him. Your right Pat might be just a AAAA guy but it looked bad to the fans.
by b1 on Mar 20, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions
The Twins got $600,000...
…which is what the Twins would have been on the hook for if he cleared waivers and was sent to Rochester. By claiming him, the Padres also take his contract.
Good luck to Pat!
Yes and no
Yes they saved the 600,000, but I would think they now will sign someone. I don’t know what the starting salary is 350,000? So they will not save the full 600,000. A small salary dump HaHa! Lets face it Gut and Bullock might both be at AAA soon. I just don’t like some of the new pitcher on the 40man over Neshek.
by b1 on Mar 20, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Neshek would make $600,000+ in the minors...
…the player who may fill the 40-man roster spot will be in the minors making minor league money. It also clears a spot on the 40-man roster for Gutierrez or Waldrop, if they are brought up early in the season, or a third catcher which may be needed with Mauer still seeing limited action.
I see
So if this is a money deal (that makes some sense) then can we expect to see Slowey or Perkins gone for the same reasons. To get rid of some $$ and bring in a lower paid player?
by b1 on Mar 20, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
No
Not for the same reason. The got rid of Neshek because they decided he wasn’t useful AND he was pointlessly costing them a chunk of change. They got rid of a player they decided they had no use for and got a little extra financial wiggle room in the process. Neshek gets to move to a team that may have him more in the plans.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane
Slowey interest me
I can read if they (Gardy or F.O.) really want him? Yes, Hardy was a $ dump maybe Neshek too. Then why not trade Slowey like with Hardy. For me I like Slowey and think the guy has some upside starting or relief.
by b1 on Mar 20, 2011 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
c'mon C
if they were worth 0$ why were they on the 40man, just to fill space. Bad managment to lose player off the 40man and get nothing.
by b1 on Mar 20, 2011 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions
This isn't the last move
They needed a spot on the 40-man roster for something. They upgraded Delaney with Hughes. They’ll upgrade Neshek with something.
Why did they wait until towards the end of spring training? They wanted to see if he was all the way back. He’s not. As I’ve often said, his delivery puts a lot more pressure on the elbow than a more conventional delivery. I have always doubted that he would come back to his former self. After two and a half years of recovery, it’s clear that he won’t. This is as good as he gets, and it’s not good enough to make this team, or even the AAA team.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
I don't think D. Hughes throws any harder then
Neshek. I can’t see him having much success either.
by b1 on Mar 20, 2011 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I trust Rick Anderson
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
harder != better
Dusty Hughes’ velocity is a complete non-sequitur.
better == missing bats, inducing grounders, avoiding walks.
I found Neshek compelling, but “it” wasn’t working last year or this spring. I wish him well in sunny SD.
The Padres claimed him off of waivers...
Bill Smith, you never cease to amaze me… Will you just step down already?
by mak07 on Mar 20, 2011 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Oh, come on
He never recovered from TJ surgery. It’s been since 2007 that he was any good. If they could have gotten something for him, they would have. I like the guy. It’s a sad story. But he wasn’t going to help the Twins again.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Well, maybe
Maybe he was, apparently he was throwing well…
But if they decided they didn’t want him to start the year with the club, there was nothing else to do with him, and probably not a lot of value to get. He’s a good gamble for the Padres, or any other team interested in taking a flyer on him.
He was always a fan favorite. A real shame how things worked out with him.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane
Reports have been all over the board
apparently he was throwing well…
I’ve read reports that he’s throwing in the upper 80s (Joe C.). I’ve read reports that he couldn’t top 85 (Seth). My hunch is he had good days and bad days. On his best days, he touched 89, which is plenty hard with his arm angle and release point. Then there are days like last Thursday, when he was a BP pitcher who couldn’t top 85.
I hope he gains the consistency to succeed with the Padres. He just ran out of chances for the Twins.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Disagree...
I think he would help them more than what they currently have. We are soo thin in the pen, and half of them have no experience… Neshek, if healthy, would have been huge. And he was getting healthy
The question is why did they need his roster spot?
3rd catcher?
by b1 on Mar 20, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Once again, the bullpen as it stands
Nathan
Capps
Mijares
Slowey
Hughes
Manship/Hoey
Perkins/Diamond
Neshek wasn’t better than any of those guys. I know he was a fan favorite and a good guy. But you also have to get results. And he was pounded this spring.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Ha... How can you say that?
Neshek wasn’t getting hit as hard as Jim Hoey… Jim Hoey doesn’t deserve a roster spot. If we put him on waivers, it would take more than 14 minutes for someone to claim him… (which is what I heard it took for the Padres to claim Neshek)
Hughes is SOOOOO far from MLB ready… He’s getting hit hard too. Neshek has experience and is recovering form an injury… We just needed to give him a little time
We put him on waivers 72 hours ago
It just was not announced until the Padres claimed him.
Hoey throws 99. Neshek struggles to throw 86. Hoey has a chance to be good. The Twins staff has determined that Neshek does not have a chance to be very good. I trust the Twins staff.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
I hope you're Right C-Math
But still look at Daniel Hudson everyone including Keith Law in the prospect world wrote him off, inlcuding CHW and look at him now he’ the ACE of Arizona D’Bondbacks velocity isn’t anything…..
Neshek’s movement i take over Hoey’s crappy velocity….
Nishi to Alexi = Double Play
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Mar 20, 2011 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
From Len III
Smith said the Twins asked outright waivers on Neshek on Friday and the Padres claimed him on Sunday. If Neshek would have cleared waivers the Twins could have taken him him off the 40-man roster and sent him to the minors. Since San Diego claimed him, they are on the hook for hi $625,000 salary. Neshek is eligible for arbitration after the season.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Alright...
I heard it was announced he was put on waivers 14 minutes before he was claimed. He could have been placed on waivers on Friday. I still don’t like it. Hoey has just been crushed so far, even if he does throw 99. I’ve heard he’s only hit 93 or 94 so far though
Waivers aren't public
Generally, you only hear about who gets waived when a claim is made or a guy passes through and is removed from the roster (or traded in August), unless the team leaks it for some reason.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
Hughes,Hoey,Manship,Perk,Diamond
I don’t think anyone has a lot of confidence in that group. That least not more then in Pat.
by b1 on Mar 20, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Pat's the same guy he was last year, when he couldn't get AAA guys out
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Its not that we all think Neshek will Pitch
for the twins. Most of us would rather we have him at AAA then-D Hughes,Hacker or Hoey. Thats all.
by b1 on Mar 20, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions
They couldn't send him to AAA
Neshek was out of options, meaning that if they didn’t want him on the major league roster, they had to send him through waivers, giving other teams an opportunity to claim him (with the same restrictions). You can’t make a guy be AAA roster filler forever.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
I might be wrong about the option situation, judging from a post farther down
But regardless, despite how much I like Neshek, if they didn’t have room for him, it’s probably just as good for both the team and the player to make the move.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
I think the Twins as an organization, and MANY of us here
Countlessly OVERATE Dusty Hughes
the guy has NO minor League Track record
QUIT pretending like he is Craig Breslow because he insn’t He’s going to get killed this year if he’s on the MLB staff in April / May
Look out!
I’d rather get killed and live to die another day with Neshek then get killed with Dusty Hughes?!?!?!
Rob Delaney is leading the Rays in wins this spring fyi…
Nishi to Alexi = Double Play
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Mar 20, 2011 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I trust Rick Anderson too
However, the Twins can’t keep going off scouting reports and Rich Anderson’s/ Joe Vavra’s and Bobby Cuellar’s opinions and expect to compete every year.
At some point statistics take first presedence , even if sabermatricians and minnesota twins baseball can’t co-exist
Nishi to Alexi = Double Play
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Mar 20, 2011 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't think the Twis see it that way
Statistics validate scouting. But the Twins place a higher degree of confidence in scouting than any other thing. We don’t have access to the reams of reports they keep on every player. We only have access to stats. So we cite them more than scouting. But I would rely more on scouting if I had the information ready to hand.
Also, I have no problem with the Twins’ preference for major league performance over minor league performance. Duensing and Hughes are two cases of guys who have pitched better as major leaguers. It doesn’t completely whipe out their minor league stats. But it does serious diminish their importance in the eyes of the Twins.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Plus Valencia and Span
on the hitting side. This is why many of us say sick with our guys first. Seems like players brough in are no better then player we have, but to save face, guys like Gomez, and now Hoey and Hughes get first shot and Neshek and Delaney go. This makes no sence to the fans. Good thing we didn’t let Span go when we got Gomez. Seems to me to be “the grass in greener on the other side” effect.
by b1 on Mar 21, 2011 6:42 AM EDT up reply actions
And if the Twins don't understand the SSS nature
of a single MLB relief season (that’s not even that good), let alone the super SSS nature of his performance against the Twins last year, let alone the fact that that super SSS rested on a silly-low BABIP, they aren’t PROPERLY using statistics to “validate scouting.”
BTW, I think you’ve hit on the way they do use them: with a wholesale helping of confirmation bias. That is, to “validate” what they already “know” via scouting.
The Dusty Hughes case is just so freaking egergious. It’s maddening I tell you!
As a related aside, yesterday I was listening to a KC FO guy on their radio talk about their spring performances. He cited Melky Cabrera’s statistics to defend that signing/starting decision, then in the same breath dismissed Jeff Francouer’s .100 batting spring training batting average as irrelevant since they “know” Francouer’s a veteran who will produce.
by tobynotjason on Mar 21, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Sweet merciful crap...
Did the Twins also get Jim Hendry as GM and I missed it?
"I'm not a broadcaster! I'm me!"--Ron Santo
neshak
he was out of options and they tried to send him to the minors, which probably says the twins pretty much gave up on him. GOOD LUCK pat hope it works out for ya, whos next ? perkins is out of options also and i think casilla is also , not that that matters. see ya in june pat when the padres play here,
He did, and they didn't have room for him at AAA
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Gordon just mentioned it on the radio too
The beard abides.
by Jason Kubel's Beard on Mar 20, 2011 2:04 PM EDT reply actions
The remaining option was key...
It gives SD some flexibility with Pat; they can send him to the minors if he does not make the opening day roster. They do have to pay his entire $625M salary, but that’s probably a chance they are willing to take.
I would be willing to bet that Perkins has been placed on outright waivers as well, but probably has not had any takers because he has no options left and has to stay in the majors.
I love the dude...
but honestly if the Rochester pen is full what are they supposed to do? Off the top of my head I can’t “fill it”, but I can come close. If there isn’t room there and he’s not going to make the 25 man and they get get anything for him (and I’m not sure why anybody’d think they could get anything not utterly fungible and hence irrelevant for him), you waive him. Should they have sent him to New Britain!? (I mean, maybe they should have in a narrow sense, but that’d be cruel, no? Or can you only be option to the last minor league club that held your contract? I digress.)
The thing is, Hoey (and Dusty “I have one beyond-narrow record of success and that’s 52 PAs against the Twins last year wherein I posted a completely unsustainable BABIP” Hughes) aside, I’d still rather have:
Nathan
Capps
Mijares
Slowey
Manship
Perkins
Diamond
than Neshek.
This
I totally love Pat, but there wasn’t room to hold onto him, and he was lower on the totem pole than the other commodities.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane
plus we do get 625K in salary relief
the only reason you put him through waivers is to allow someone else to take him off your hands. The Twins get the 625K off the books, hopefully to be available to bolster the team at the trade deadline. Neshek gets a chance to make another major league club. It’s probably the best for both parties.
by Jon Kammerer on Mar 20, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
This is disappointing
I understand it though, I was really hoping he would return to his former self and be a big part of the bullpen this year.
He must not have been looking sharp enough. Hopefully they use his spot to hold onto Diamond
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
Aw dammit! That sucks!
Good luck, Pat! We’ll miss you!
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
RT @RonGarde You can Tweet that. Just Tweet it. You don't even have to write it. Just fire it through the Internet.
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Mar 20, 2011 3:21 PM EDT reply actions
Ah, memories!
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
RT @RonGarde You can Tweet that. Just Tweet it. You don't even have to write it. Just fire it through the Internet.
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Mar 20, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 11 recs
+1
In SD these letters might be more like this…
Dear Pat Neshek,
Please get me Heath Bell’s autograph before he’s traded to the Red Sox. You’re the best, I hope you close for my Friars and your arm doesn’t fall off. It looks like it hurts when you pitch.
Sincerely,
A black box
ps. I hope the Padres do a commercial this year with you and some sort of Fargo reference, I hear you played in Fargo… Is it hard to play baseball in the snow? I love that movie.
Thanks for the autograph too bad you didn’t join the team last year. I really wanted A-Gone’s autograph too…
Someone explain to me why we took Neshek off the 40 man roster before Hacker
Is the need for a AAA starter really that high?
Granted, Neshek hasn’t shown signs of being back to his normal self. But I’d rather give him more time to improve when he’s still got an option left.
This was a triumph
I'm making a note here - huge success
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Mar 20, 2011 3:39 PM EDT reply actions
We needed a starter at AAA
We have a lot of AAA relievers.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Candidates for Rochester's pitching staff...
…Starters (6): Gibson, Bromberg, Swarzak, Bazardo, Hacker, Mullins (?)
…Relievers (9): Baldwin, Burnett, Dumatrait, Gutierrez, Hoey, James, Slama, Stevins, Waldrop.
At the most they will keep 12 pitchers, so at least three of the above will need to be placed elsewhere, traded, released.
Forgot about a few of these. Namely, Dumatrait.
Just like the Twins should. Ba-doom-cha!
by tobynotjason on Mar 20, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions
He has no trade value
My goodness, a reliever who throws 88 mph and hasn’t made it back from TJS, people act like we just lost Dennis Eckersley. Why is anyone surprised they didn’t get a player in return? I’m amazed someone was willing to take on his salary.
This was obviously done to make room on the 40 man for a reliever in their system who they feel can actually help them in the bullpen. Waldrop maybe?
Waldrop is about done too.
Gut and Bullock will be the next two on the roster. I think they are making way for a 3rd catcher.
by b1 on Mar 20, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Waldrop dominated AAA for a long time last year.
He wore down, bad.
by tobynotjason on Mar 20, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I know why they did it, and I do understand it...
but I’m still sad to see him go. He’s a great guy, very fan-friendly, and he’s, you know…from here.
So unfortunate. :\
"Huh. I thought the FAQ had you listed as "Twinkie Town Goddess" but hey, whatever you prefer." -wayback, 3/9/11
o Hudson...
I’ll always remember his “o shit!” when Thome hit the homer off the flagpole. Good times…:)
"There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem—once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit." -Al Gallagher
by twinsgirl197 on Mar 20, 2011 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Salary dump
The guy had an option left! Come on! This was once arguably the best set up man in the entire league you’re talking about.
A lot of people take more than a year to return to form from TJ surgery. Look at Liriano.
The idea that we “need” a guy like Hacker more than him, or that the AAA bullpen was “full,” makes no sense to me. The sole purpose of the minor leagues is to prepare guys who might someday help the big league team. Hacker never will do that. The entire AAA bullpen isn’t full of people who are about to do that any time soon. If one of them got moved to AA, boo hoo.
Just an hour ago, I was reading about an interview with Rob Antony, which said that while he started the spring pitching 82-84,
“Neshek may have turned a corner. By Antony’s testament, Neshek’s subsequent outing saw him with a velocity that was northwards of his previous outing, "hitting 88, 89" and his slider had "good depth".The caveat is that Antony did not have a radar gun on him in his most recent inning but felt that he had the best movement of his stuff so far this spring.
If Neshek can return to his pre-Tommy John performance, this would give the bullpen a significant boast and be able to provide Gardenhire with a good option against right-handed hitters that has been lost with the departure of Matt Guerrier (.205 average vs RHB in ’10) and Jesse Crain (.224 average vs RHB in ’10). Dating back to 2006, Neshek has held same-sided opponents to a .172 average with an impressive 11.74 strikeouts per nine innings."
[from a radio interview on 1500ESPN, quoted on http://overthebaggy.blogspot.com/]
If he were out of options, and they needed the roster spot for guys they were sure could help the team right now, sure, I could see cutting him. But they could have had their cake and eaten it too. They just couldn’t also keep his 625K salary. And they showed what they care about more.
Maybe Antony is a liar and he’s really washed up. Maybe he was using the media to pump up Neshek’s value while they were trying to trade him. But I doubt it.
I think this was a salary dump, pure and simple.
Either that or it was a personal issue. But if they don’t like a guy like Pat Neshek, well, then I don’t think I like them.
by by jiminy on Mar 20, 2011 5:01 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
I like your argument
It pretty much sums up how I feel about this, that it was pretty much ridiculous.
"There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem—once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit." -Al Gallagher
by twinsgirl197 on Mar 20, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Once? You mean 4 years ago?
I wish Neshek all the luck in San Diego, but there was no room for him here, and he had absolutely no trade value whatsoever.
Run baby run!
how can you say that?
Bullpen is a weakness of this team. Seems like Hacker wouldve been the right choice. Twins had room at AAA. Instead Smith is saving the Polhads money and we applaud him for it.
Its pathetic how we cheerlead their cheapness
by clutterheart on Mar 20, 2011 5:45 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
This isn't a 40 move.
There’s zero reason to take anybody off, or put anybody on, the 40 right now. So it’s not Hacker vs. Neshek. If it was about the 40 they’d have waived him next week.
Given past actions by this front office, I think it’s likely that, knowing he wasn’t going to make the team, they wanted to give him a chance to catch on somewhere else.
I guess unless we're about to see a free agent signing or something.
But that would be pretty odd.
Yes
But ,if a veteran utility player becomes available in the next week, there will be good reason to do this. By doing this now, they gave him more of a chance than he would have at the end of spring when every team is trying to make rosters work.
I think people have sentimental reasons to like Neshek. And I get that. But I’m more concerned about winning. And Neshek was not going to help this team win more than a buch of other guys.
He’s like 14th on the list of relievers. If the Padres had not claimed him, he’d be in AAA, languishing while Waldrop, Burnett, Hoey, James, Swarzak, Guttierez and Bullock pass him by. It’s in his best interests to find another job. He might not have even made the AAA roster with all the arms down there. I hope he establishes himself in the NL and stays in the majors. He wasn’t going to play here.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Mar 20, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chance to catch on
I do agree that the Twins often seem really good about giving veterans a chance to catch on with another team, and working to place them with a contender. If that was a factor in releasing him now, good for them. Now that I’m calmed down, I admit this is a very plausible interpretation.
But so is the idea that they keep grudges. They weed people who talk back, and it was widely reported that they were not happy with him posting about his injury being mishandled. That seems a plausible interpretation too.
I’m mostly just still shocked by the idea that he is considered certain not to come back. His progress seemed within a normal trajectory to me, admittedly viewed from a much greater distance than the team has. I would have thought with an option left, they’d give him another year, as they’ve done with Perkins, etc. I just don’t get it. We’ll know in a year, I guess.
His progress was kind of slow.
I don’t know that I would have been wiling to give up just yet, but Neshek is going to be 31 this year, and it’s not hard to think he’s going to segue directly from recovery to decline. Perk is just 28, so at least there’s that. Although I suspect he’s not long for the team either.
A Twins payroll of over $113,000,000 and we are calling it "cheapness"
Come on! I like Pat as well as any of you and have known him since he was playing Legion & high school ball. The fact is the Twins obviously feel that he isn’t going to be the player he once was. If they thought he would, they certainly would have kept him. Clearing a roster spot and saving money makes a lot of sense. The fact he was local and some of us know and liked him makes that tough. But Twins management has to make the tough decisions.
by roger13 on Mar 20, 2011 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's taxpayer money, remember
The taxpayers are subsidizing the team. We have a right to expect them not to just pocket that money.
Do you think they’re putting even 50% of revenue back into payroll? I don’t. Not that I ever saw what was so magic about that number. I don’t see why profits have to rise as revenue rises, if the revenue is a subsidy.
I will give the front office credit for making tough decisions to make the most of their budget. My problem is with the budget. I think they should have kept Hardy, and they should have kept Neshek, even if it meant pocketing that much less in profit. They’re making plenty.
But I’ll give you this: they know a lot more about scouting than I do. Maybe they’re sure he would never help the team again. I just think the time for that decision is next year, when his options run out.
But you say they certainly would have kept him if they thought he could help the team. How certain are you? And what would the odds have to be? Is he really a worse bet than Dusty Hughes, or Scott Diamond? Or does he just cost more?
I call BS
The taxpayers are not subsidizing the team. The taxpayers are subsidizing the stadium. There’s a difference.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
still
taxpayer money is involved and on paper this team isn’t as good as it was last year.
by eau claire twins fan on Mar 20, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Good thing we don't play on paper
If you don’t want to root for a team because taxpayer money is involved, you’ll need to root for the Giants. Every other team in baseball plays in a stadium where taxpayer money was used to build it. Better yet, don’t be a sports fan. If you don’t like the fact that taxpayers help subsidize sports, don’t be a sports fan.
It’s the lamest argument, one that should be reserved for desperate times, if ever. If you’re going to tote it out every time a team cuts a guy who hasn’t had a good year in four years, we’re in for a long season.
The Twins have increased their payroll by 20 percent each of the last two years. If that is not good enough for you, go root for the Giants.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
don't be a sports fan?
ok. I’ll work on that. thanks for the good advise.
by eau claire twins fan on Mar 20, 2011 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The fact that these teams' owners profit on the back of regressive taxes is odious.
Why should realizing this and saying that it’s so mean a person “shouldn’t” follow or enjoy sports?
(This is not to say waiving Neshek was the wrong decision, it’s just to say that the business side of sports in America kind of sucks in a lot of important ways and there’s nothing wrong with saying so and griping a little when teams make money decisions, so long as you realize “your” team isn’t uniquely f’d up in this respect.)
by tobynotjason on Mar 20, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
No that's not what I meant
To complain about cutting a player over $650,000 dollars (if that was a reason they did this) because the Twins’ stadium is publicly financed is rubbish. Every other team has a similar situation. Does every other fan base complain when they cut players or refuse to resign them over money? No.
Point is, if that is your criterion, to be consistent, you can’t really be a sports fan because every other team is in the same position with the Twins. Of course, I don’t think you shouldn’t be a sports fan. My argument is a reductio ad absurdum on complaining about public financing.
It just irks me that every time the FO does something some people don’t like, they use the opportunity to remind us that the Twins took public financing to build the best baseball park in the league. Imagine if they had not done this. They would not have a stadium to play in for most of this season. Not to mention raising the budget by $45 million to pay for contracts for players like Mauer and Pavano.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
I didn't bring it up, you did
All I said the first time around was, I can’t see any reason to cut a guy with an option left, and a track record like his, except to save his salary. I didn’t bring up the stadium or the subsidy until you bragged about them spending $113 million, like it was some act of generosity. That number most likely represents a decrease in percentage of revenue devoted to payroll, and definitely an increase in profit, not some gift to grovel over. It didn’t occur to me to mention the stadium until you told me to shut up and be grateful.
But for Pete’s sake, the guy threatened to take away our team unless we handed over a bag of money. That’s not even a subsidy, that’s extortion. And I’ll never forget that when they couldn’t find a suitor city to plausibly threaten us with, they offered to contract the team instead, for a cash payment. Why should we forgive that? Pohlad made way more money on the team than Griffith ever did. You can’t even really call that cheapness — it’s sheer greed. Not that I’m bitter or anything.
The stadium is nice though. Might even be worth it. It rankles a bit that the state passed a special law to prevent the county from voting on it, but whatever. Better to keep this out of player personnel chatter, I agree. I won’t bring up the subsidy if you don’t tell me to be grateful for them actually spending some of it on the team.
by by jiminy on Mar 21, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't want to belabor the point
But I didn’t bring up the salary issue until after someone suggested it was just a dump. The salary dump thing never made sense to me. They were prepared to eat a major league salary and keep him in the minors. They came very close to doing it because 25 teams passed on Pat before the Padres claimed him.
I won’t bring up the subsidy if you don’t tell me to be grateful for them actually spending some of it on the team.
Deal.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
regrets
I’m sorry I was so grumpy the other day — I was working late on a Sunday night, and had just read an article getting my hopes sky high about Neshek finally returning to form; he’s a player I’ve always loved, and who the Twins could have really used if he got his skills back, and I was just very tired and cranky. But I will try not to rant next time.
And honestly, you don’t have to make any deals with me. I’ve learned more about baseball from you than anyone will ever learn from me. Just keep doing what you’ve been doing, and thanks for all the enlightening comments over the years.
by by jiminy on Mar 22, 2011 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
I didn’t think it was necessary for you to do this, but admirable that you did. I appreciate the civility.
I didn’t rec your first comment, but five people did, so your initial reaction clearly resonated with some people. Rants aren’t necessarily productive, but I think your initial reaction was cathartic, and that’s not necessarily bad either.
by Manley Dewars on Mar 22, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions
No worries
We both got our dander up a bit more than necessary. I appreciate your conciliation and the kind words. We do agree on this: We will both miss Pat and his quirky ways.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Actually, every other fan base DOES complain...
when they cut players or refuse to resign them over money.
Especially the more shall we say unsubtle minds in said fanbases. Seriously, the equivalent of the Strib boards in Pittsburgh are just laughable. They think the Pirates should shell out tens of millions more while drawing attendance very near the bottom of the baseball barrell (and totally ignore the Pirates best-in-the-league over the last 3 years amateur signing spending, preferring to believe they should somehow buy 40 marginal wins on the free agent market).
by tobynotjason on Mar 21, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I take 0 faith
I take 0 faith in your opinion that “it seems like Hacker was the right choice” over the Twins decision that Neshek was the right choice to cut.
"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
"In God we trust. All others must provide evidence."
~ Billy Beane
I'm not a huge Hacker fan either
But he was one of the best starters in the PCL last year. When you adjust his stats to the league, it’s not a stretch to think he can be a good starter in the IL this year. As Roger pointed out in this thread, the Red Wings have five starters and 10 relievers or something (assuming Mullins is a reliever). They need starters more.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Yes, but did we need to put him on the 40Man roster?
No, he’s not going to see a Twins Uniform. Slowey,Manship,Gibson,Bromberg are all starters in waiting.
by b1 on Mar 21, 2011 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions
That's a matter of speculation
I don’t know if we did. Antony claims that other teams had some interest and the only way to get him to sign with us was to offer a roster spot. That’s the only evidence we have that they had to put him on the 40-man.
I don’t even know the mechanics of the Hacker deal. Did they claim him off waivers from SF? If so, they are obliged to give him a roster spot. If he was just a free agent, it seems dubious, except for Antony’s testimony.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
+1
His numbers don’t look pretty at first, but you gotta do the same thing for PCL pitchers you do for PCL hitters and I think I lotta people forgot to do this when looking at Hacker.
by tobynotjason on Mar 21, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
no value?
No, he had at least 625K value, or he wouldn’t have been claimed — and to a team with a far better bullpen than ours, so we should have valued him more. And that team that came a game within winning their division, meaning he didn’t make it very far down the waver list. This wasn’t a desperation move by the Pirates.
And yes, I mean four years ago, when he was so good the Twins pitched him 74 freaking times. And the next year he got hurt—big surprise. Whose fault was that? But his surgery wasn’t until November 2008. And whose fault was that? Remember what got him in the doghouse was revealing they misdiagnosed his injury and told him to do rehab that made it worse.
The fact is, he’s only pitched two seasons since returning from a surgery that takes most people a minimum of a year and a half to recover fully from.
Look, I didn’t see him pitch this spring. Maybe their scouts tell them he’s done. That’s not what Antony said. And I don’t see how they’d know that anyway.
I well remember when at this stage of his career, people on this very website were screaming to dump Liriano. A minority, sure. But I take the talk that Neshek is worthless just about as seriously.
If he never pitches faster than 84 again, then I’ll be wrong. But I’ve never heard a single reason why that might be true. Have you? If he pitches 88-89 again, with movement, as Antony said, then he’s a lot better bet that anyone in AAA, or the back end of our bullpen.
Look at it this way. If he were making Slama’s salary, would they cut him? No way. Absolutely no way. His upside is higher than anybody’s in the bullpen except Nathan and maybe Mijares.
Maybe they’re 100%, positively sure that he’s done. But anything less than that is a gamble, the cost of which would have been 640K — barely more than the major league minimum. Good luck ever beating the Yankees, with owners like that.
Because his upside is a guy with a lifetime BAA of .176 against righties, with 1.74K/9. (His BAA against lefties was .211). That’s not his peak, that’s his career average. That’s why they pitched his arm off in the first place.
Are you really that sure he’ll never get anywhere near those numbers again? Based on just two years of pitching since Tommy John surgery? I’m not. I really hope he recovers fully and kicks ass.
by by jiminy on Mar 20, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I really liked Pat, but did you watch him pitch last year?
I am really sorry, but his surgery basically ruined him as a dominant pitcher. The numbers you are quoting are from years ago. Years. I still wish him luck, but to call this a “cheap” move by the Twins is somewhat ridiculous. If you think that letting Neshek go is the type of reason that we will never beat the Yankess, then there is nothing I can say to you to convince you of anything.
Run baby run!
Wait, what? The Padres were 90-72.
That means he indeed made it really far down the waiver list. Nobody in the AL claimed him, and nobody worse than the Padres in the NL claimed him.
by tobynotjason on Mar 20, 2011 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions
This may be JD Durbin all over again
The Padres may have picked him up only to toss him on waivers again next week to try to stash him in AAA.
Oops
Man, you’re right, I got that totally backwards. Of course winning teams picking last. Duh. So the majority of teams think he’s not worth 650K. That’s a lot of teams agreeing with the Twins. Interesting. And if that’s the case, maybe another interpretation is they were really expecting to sneak him through and get him off the 40-man, and they almost did. Or am I screwing that up too? It’s late.
Still, if all they were trying to do was sneak him through waivers, they could have revoked waivers and kept him if they wanted, right?
Most teams 40 roster at this time are full
They would have to drop someone from thier 40man to pick-up Neshek. So it depends on the team situation at that time. Not so much that no one wanted him. Most would have to make room for him by dropping someone else.
by b1 on Mar 21, 2011 6:53 AM EDT up reply actions
And that's not how a rational decision maker would make the decision.
You have to look at your best estimate of the chances that he will perform great, well, average, ok, replacement, etc., and weigh those chances against the likely performance outcomes of whomever replaces him, but also factor in what a little money might help cinch later in the season.
You can’t just say: his upside is this, so no matter how infintesimal the chance he recovers that upside, you can’t dump him, even if (as they might) they actually think they have a better option they’d have to lose if they kept him.
That better option can have upside, too, and if this keeps Diamond on the 25 man (assuming they can’t work out a trade) then good for them, because his upside blows away Neshek’s.
As I said, if he quickly performs ably for San Diego, you can justifiably trash the Twins for either (1) misevaluation of his current talent or (2) letting personal issues affect a baseball decision.
by tobynotjason on Mar 20, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, he certainly made the Gardenhire doghouse in spades last year.
That can’t be discounted.
But that $625K is real money, and if they have a hard budget and believe he’s probably done altogether or that his current talent level is replaceable at minimum, they would be right to maximize future returns on that money by waiving him now and spending it on something else.
If the Gardy’s personal crap entered into it, I’ll be the first to call bullshit. But if it was a reasonable, unbiased evaluation of his likelihood of contributing going forward, so be it. If he more or less immediately performs for the Padres, we can criticize that evaluation.
by tobynotjason on Mar 20, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm bummed.
Neshek was a nice guy and is one of my favorites. We will miss you!
Good luck in San Diego Pat! Say hi to O-Dog for us.
"Danny Valencia is a fricking stud! Hide your daughters!"
-Denard Span
Sad, but kind of inevitable.
Hopefully he can make a comeback with the Padres.
I'll be sad to see him go
but as cmath has said, the guy is all elbow and that makes it a hard recovery from TJ surgery. Plus, relievers usually don’t take this long to recover, they usually have a quicker recovery than starters because they don’t have to throw as many innings.
I wish him the best and I’ll still root for him to recover and be good again.
Baseball reminds us of all that once was good, and that could be again.-Terence Mann/James Earl Jones in FoD
What
This is a Bad DREAM
bad dream
In other news Mauer Leaves for Cleveland
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Mar 20, 2011 7:10 PM EDT reply actions
It would be worse
If he went to the Yankees. Because then I might explode trying to decide whether I love or hate Mauer. Sorry but it isn’t a dream :( but good news is Mauer is still on the team!
"There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem—once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit." -Al Gallagher
by twinsgirl197 on Mar 20, 2011 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't believe it though really? theres something OBVIOUSLY we are missing
I’ve been looking at the box scores looking for the velocity reports, by all accounts Neshek was steadily regaining his form pre-injury (now he’ll never be what he was before kinda like Liriano in ’06) but He was one of the top 8th inning set-up guys before Tommy John andI still believe he was our 3rd or 4th best reliever on this team today….
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Mar 20, 2011 7:21 PM EDT reply actions
Agreed
I don’t get it, but I guess we’ll have to deal with it
"There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem—once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit." -Al Gallagher
by twinsgirl197 on Mar 20, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
in his last games Thus.
the clock speed was mostly 84-85. I think he had two k’s that got up to 87-88, but he also gave up 2 Hr’s.
by b1 on Mar 20, 2011 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
thanks for this
I missed this i seen the 2 HRS
but STill Pat Neshek can’t be our 6th reliever? to me its a bit of oversight by the Twins….
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Mar 20, 2011 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I though for sure he would get a spot
him and Perk. I though both have earned the right to be the on the 25 man. We’ll see!
by b1 on Mar 20, 2011 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
thats right
But we can bitch about it
by clutterheart on Mar 20, 2011 9:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
very true
I plan on doing so
"There are three things in my life which I really love: God, my family, and baseball. The only problem—once baseball season starts, I change the order around a bit." -Al Gallagher
by twinsgirl197 on Mar 20, 2011 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Lots of reason to like him, but 2007 was the last time he pitched well.
You gotta cut bait sometimes. The good news for Pat is that Petco Park is a great place to rehabilitate a pitching career.
Agreed 100% - I tend to trust the Twins judgement on how to construct a bullpen.
From Fangraphs:
Best Bullpen: The Twins, 55.1 WAR
Thank you Joe Nathan, as his 15.1 WAR catapulted the Twins into first place. But at the same time, the Twins had a large collection of great bullpen arms during the Aughts: Eddie Guardado, LaTroy Hawkins, Juan Rincon, Johan Santana (remember that?), J.C. Romero….the list goes on. The Twins had the seventh best starting pitching staff during the Aughts, and they almost always had a dominant bullpen to finish the game.
Twins usually know when to cut bait on guys and who to pick up when needed. Apart from dropping Breslow, they have usually done a good job getting the right bullpen staff together.
Run baby run!
I agree with this for the most part
but going back to the years surrounding the 2004 days…..
What was our biggest problem? IMO Bullpen – Jack Cressend, Tony Fiore, Todd Jones and many many others were thrown into a hat in an attempt to call ourselves a contender but we didn’t have it all together in our ’pen in a few of those years imo…
Guardado the Hawk and JC Romero even Rinocon in his hayday were fabulous but there were others who we put stock in and failed.
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Mar 20, 2011 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions
CMath is killing it in this thread
There were so many comments which I was going to say something, and every time CMath said something better than I possibly could.
Thanks for still being on here.
+1
This is reminding me of the JJ Hardy trade in that people are way over reacting. I was looking forward to seeing Neshek in a Twins uniform this year and think the Twins might regret this move similar to letting Breslow go 2 years ago. Maybe he never is more than a middle reliever but I think his track record would have made sense to at least give him a shot at the beginning of the year to be a 6th-7th inning guy.
Not worth crying over at this point.
Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?
It's a small move in the grand scheme of things.
But what else are we going to discuss? It’s still spring training and not much else is going on.
This was a triumph
I'm making a note here - huge success
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Mar 20, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions
These two moves have removed all my faith in Bill Smith and co. Neither make any sense. I simply think some fans give the guys at the top too much benefit of the doubt.
This move is completely idiotic, but will likely have minimal impact on the year.
by Milt on Tilt on Mar 20, 2011 11:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Are you serious?
The financial numbers have been explained up thread. He’s a really expensive guy to pay in AAA while continuing to hope that he recovers from a surgery he recovers from years ago.
And also, it’s not 2007 anymore. It’s been way too long since he has been same unhittable pitcher.
Its a little different than the Hardy situation though
Hardy is getting 6.0M this year with the Orioles rest assured the trade is looking more and more fiasable as time goes by.
This dibocle though? Come to light we tried to trade him and we failed? 650,000 K ? This was a scenerio in which the Twins could have kept Neshek on the MLB roster and stash him away as long as they could in case he figures it out again…..
In the case that he does he’s a dominate 7th inning pitcher if he doesn’t then try and send him to AAA through the waiver process sometime in Late April or May….
I’ll never quite understand this whole thing untill i understand 100% of the facts.
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Mar 21, 2011 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Two things
First- Halfchest, over reation on the Hardy deal! I don’t think it an over reation when you ditch a solid starting SS to save money and get little back. Then Pay big money to bring in Nish and give the SS job to an unproven Casila. We’ll see in a month or two if the remarks were an over reation or were right. Second-We paid LNP 5mil, Mauer-big Money, Backer, Blackburn,Nathan and others good money. So now Neshek gets cut to save 650,000. I think that kind of sucks. It looks to me, bad Money managment in the F.O. was the cause of this and Hardy. I just wounder if Nathan,Cuddyer and some of the other will get resigned next year or will it be time to bring up Parmelee,Benson,Revere,Gibson,Hardy,Plouffe and save some $$$$. I know the busness side is hard we’ll see how it works out.
by b1 on Mar 21, 2011 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I think you're implicitly overstating the difficultly of finding...
relief help in a pennant race. Especially if a team’s willing to call up it’s starting pitcher prospects and put them in the pen, as the Twins have been in the past.
by tobynotjason on Mar 21, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey now.
This is a totally different animal than the JJ Hardy trade! The Neshek move is fine, that was not. I was livid when they canned Breslow (a decision that I believe would not made if he’d been a Gardy guy instead of a Yale graduate) and have no problem with this, despite always personally digging Neshek.
by tobynotjason on Mar 21, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
almost never...
but right now is one time that I am.
You guys realize you are talking about saving 600 K on a 100M payroll, right? This is not a ‘salary dump’. If they determined that there was no chance of him ever pitching again in the majors, then the savings is 600, but thats impossible, so expected savings aren’t even that high.
The people upset with this believe Neshek still has a chance to become a good RP, far better chance than Hoey, Hughes, or Perkins. Those three have almost no upside.
So the move has an expected savings of 300K with no other upside and the chance that he would have been a useful piece to a weak bullpen.
It makes no sense and has no justification. It’s a stupid, stupid move.
I don't know that I agree.
Hoey has upside. Perkins might still have upside. Hughes is confusing, but at least lefthanded. But honestly it’s very possible none of those three make the team either. If you think Neshek’s upside is anything like his first couple years, obviously Hoey and Perk aren’t going to live up to that. I just think that’s extremely optimistic, and at this point his upside is a serviceable middle reliever, not an excellent setup man. And if you know that he’s going to be the tenth guy on the depth chart, it totally makes sense for everybody if you move him to a team where that won’t be the case.
He has had 2 years since the surgery
If it isn’t back now the chances are very low it ever comes back. The Twins gave him plenty of time, now it’s time to move on. Grant Balfour has been pretty good lately but the Twins didn’t have 3+ years to wait so they cut him. I see this as a similar move.
Hoey has serious upsde.
I hate the Hardy deal and think Hoey will fail in MLB this year, but I’m not gonna lie about that part of it.
by tobynotjason on Mar 21, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
We're already starting to see it
He’s dialed it down to 95 and hitting his spots more. It might take a half season of AAA refinement before he’s consistently hitting his spots. But if he can harness his stuff, he can be a shut-down set-up guy. I would never say that about Neshek since his injury.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Good luck, Pat Neshek
I hope you come back and have a great season with the Padres.
Meanwhile, the Twins have multitudes of good pitchers coming up or in camp. If not having Pat Neshek is why the Twins lose the division, then they weren’t all that good a team in the first place. If there’s anything we should all know by now, the Twins seem to play pretty well with whoever’s left on the roster.
+1
Good luck Pat
You’ll be greatly missed
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Mar 21, 2011 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions
From Yahoo!:
Neshek had given up three runs in 6.1 innings this spring with five strikeouts and one walk. Neshek struggled last year in his first season back from Tommy John surgery as he had a noticeable drop in velocity to a mid-80s mph fastball after throwing in the high 80s/low-90s before the surgery. He’d reached the upper 80s this spring, but it’s not clear if failing to reach the 90s was due to the normal progression of getting stronger in spring training or if his velocity is permanently lower after his surgery. Before the surgery, Neshek’s funky delivery made him a tough matchup for right-handed hitters. Moving to Petco will help his stats if he’s able to make San Diego’s 25-man roster, but there have to be doubts about him returning to pre-surgery form if the Twins decided to expose him to waivers.
Come on people!!
You’re acting like we just lost Joe Mauer!!!
The beard abides.
by Jason Kubel's Beard on Mar 21, 2011 8:28 AM EDT reply actions
Lossing a player off the 40man is a big deal.
No, not like lossing Mauer, but those of us that really care about the Twins and invest time watching games and blogging would like to know the real story here. Maybe he just sucked, but most don’t by that. Curiosity, thats all! I think the knee jurk reactions are over, now we want some answers as to where the team is headed. I’ve gotten rid of a large number of players that were with a winning team last year. We just want to know that we’re heading in the right direction.
by b1 on Mar 21, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
well said sir
I don’t buy him sitting below 85 MPH either maybe 84,85,86, but all he needs his 87,88,89 to be effective…
step 1 = AAA send down
step 2 = wait it out
step 3 = call him up
I don’t get the basic foundation of this…. its not like (“OHHH mY god!” we have 40 fricking 4 (44) GUYS ON THE 40 MAN ROSTER WE NEED ON THERE TODAY)
Sheesh, lets just see how long 2 or 3 spots stay vacated on the 40 -man now
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Mar 21, 2011 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions
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