Why the Neshek waiver bothers me
Like many Twins fans, I'm not happy to see Pat Neshek gone. On the field, it was great watching his funky sidearm delivery, and off the field, there weren't many players more involved with the fan base. And he may not have pitched well lately, but it's hard not to remember his lights out 2007 season.
If you haven't read it, Kelsie Smith of the Pioneer Press gives a little more information on the Neshek waiver in this article. Before reading it, Neshek being waived bugged me from a personal standpoint. After reading Smith's article, the waiver is bothering me from a professional standpoint as well.
Kelsie Smith includes a few important points of information. First, Neshek had one option remaining. He could have been sent down to the minors. Second, Neshek wasn't waived in order to clear a spot on the 40 man roster. In fact, according to Bill Smith, the Twins do not immediately plan on filling Neshek's spot on the 40 man roster; that spot could be vacant for "two weeks or six months." So it wasn't a waiver to clear a roster spot for someone else.
Keeping that in mind, to me there are a few reasons to trade Neshek. First, because the team thinks that in the next year, he won't recover completely from his injury, and the team wants to save $625k. That seemed to be what most people were thinking in the earlier thread tonight on Neshek. Second, Neshek was waived because there was no room for him in AAA. Or, alternatively, Neshek was waived because he was on the outs with the Twins - he's had some clashes with the Twins in the past, such as the misdiagnosed thumb injury early in the 2010 season.
According to the article, Bill Smith said that Neshek was waived once the Twins realized he would not have a spot in the MLB bullpen. When asked if the team tried to trade Neshek, Smith replied that putting Neshek on waivers "was the best option for him at this time." We can't tell the org's motivation from anything Bill Smith has said, but given the nature of GM statements, and Smith in particular, we probably shouldn't expect any more clarification.
Kelsie Smith also writes on her Twitter feed that Neshek had "clearly had fallen out of favor" with the Twins. She thinks that the Twins tried to trade Neshek, but, failing that, decided to outright waive him.
So, there you go. We don't have anything solid on why Neshek was waived, but we have a reporter saying he's had a falling out with the team. We know he has a history of problems with the team. We don't have any rumors about the Twins wanting to save on salary, and 625k is not a significant chunk of a $115 million payroll.
Based on all of that, my guess is that this is a decision based on a personal clash rather than on payroll. Even if it's not, when our bullpen is this full of question marks, I think it's worth the $625k investment to take a gamble on Pat Neshek. Maybe he'll never recover to MLB-ready levels, but we wouldn't be paying much to him in any case. Low risk, with a chance at a good reward. I also don't buy that there's no room for Neshek in AAA. Why not shift around one of the guys not in contention to make the team, like Dumatrait, Baldwin, Province, or Bazardo? I have to think Neshek has a better chance of contributing than they do.
Anyway, those are my thoughts on why I don't like Neshek being waived. In the comments, let me know if you agree, disagree, or have become enraged (because someone is wrong on the internet!).
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My feeling is:
If you know you’re going to give Burnett, Gutierrez, Waldrop, and Slama the chance to come up and fill any gaps on the major league roster before Neshek, it’s the courteous thing to do to let him go somewhere where he’ll have a better shot.
"clearly had fallen out of favor"
That could easily just refer to the Twins evaluation of his talent.
I was going to say that
The Twins seemed to give him special treatment last year until he made a spectacle of himself with the injury. After the injury, he was on the same footing as everyone else. If that’s the nature of a “falling out,” I have no problem with it.
Recall, he didn’t tell them his hand hurt until after they tried to send him down. Then he blogged that he hoped it would be a rehab assignment rather than an option. Gardy interpreted that as greed, ‘cause a rehab assignment would keep him at the MLB rate and service time, whereas an option was a monetary hardship and reduced his future earning power. I don’t know if that was in the back of Pat’s mind or not, but it irked Gardy.
The end result was that they optioned him for most of the year. After he was optioned, Gardy said, “Now he will have to earn his way up here like the rest of our players.”
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
I am outraged by the seriousness of this post.
SO dissapointed.
I always loved that one.
by FoulJack on Mar 21, 2011 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Seriously.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
RT @RonGarde You can Tweet that. Just Tweet it. You don't even have to write it. Just fire it through the Internet.
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Mar 21, 2011 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
eh
$625k is still $625k. If the Twins think that rolling the dice on Neshek is a poor investment of that $625k, I’m going to go ahead and believe them.
I think this is what they did. I criticize the FO all the time, but this seems the most likely possibility.
And as timprov said, if they know he’s not gonna be in the first couple guys they go to in Rochester, give him a chance someplace else.
If he performs in MLB in the near term, though, there is every reason to criticize the Twins evaluation of his current talent. FWIW the reports of 89 through the first half of spring were if anything encouraging, so I’m not 100% sold on the idea that the Twins evaluation was correct, although I’ll give it the provisional benefit of the doubt.
And no, it won’t be fair to complain if he’s very good or great again, but not until 2012 or 2013.
by tobynotjason on Mar 21, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
They had to get rid of him!
He has an actual personality! Big no-no in Twins land.
"I wanted to do it because it's fun, it's fun to do bad things and drive into a car."
by PurplePeopleEaters on Mar 21, 2011 12:42 PM EDT reply actions
hahaha
does this mean that the twins wont try to trade for nyjer morgan?
by eau claire twins fan on Mar 21, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
O-Hud
That’s why Orlando Hudson had to go. John Rausch stuck out too much in a crowd as well.
Jon only stood out in the crowd because he was 6'11''
"It happened in the moment, and it happened." - Carlos Gomez
And he had a neck tat
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Just clear way for Diamon,Hoey and d. Hughes
The FO. would look bad if they pick guys up or traded for them and then cut them. Saving Face and 650,000. Will Perkins be next?
I like Pat Neshek and I was hoping he would get back into things this year - best of luck to him
That said I am going to be really disappointed if we do trade our 6th starter now rather than moving Slowey to the bullpen. I think that might be the only upside I see in this move: Allowing more room in the bullpen so we don’t trade away a starter.
by twinscrazy_german on Mar 21, 2011 4:52 PM EDT reply actions
Trade?
For what? Unfortunately draft picks can’t be traded so we couldn’t get a 25th rounder. I hate to say it but middle relievers like Neshek are a dime a dozen. Maybe they don’t throw sidearm, but they throw harder and don’t have a tommy john surgery in the recent past.
I liked Neshek and I thought he would have been able to provide us with some good innings out of the pen. This move at least allows him to catch on somewhere else. I don’t think he would have been happy going back to the minors.
Technical question on the poll
How do I vote for #1 and #3 at the same time?
I think Pat's popularity with fans is clouding some judgment here
Like I said, I love Pat too… but I trust the professionals. It’s not like Pat has been a big contributor on the field anytime recently. It’s not about missing his baseball skills as it is missing his wonderful personality. What can you do? I just hope the change turns out being good for him.
"It happened in the moment, and it happened." - Carlos Gomez
I kind of agree
I don’t “trust the professionals” all that much (I think they’ve made their share of boneheaded moves, and I don’t always agree with how they evaluate players), but I do agree that Pat’s unique situation is making people hate the move more than they otherwise would. If anything, this is a case of the Twins being good to Neshek, giving him a chance to succeed somewhere else when he obviously wasn’t going to get a real shot in Minnesota in the foreseeable future.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
I wonder how much of the uproar was do the surprise about the move
A lot of the time we have indications that a player is not long for the show, either headed for AAA or greener pastures elsewhere. There wasn’t a lot of talk about Neshek not measuring up either from fans or Gardy before the move was made. So we were surprised when it happened (at least I was) and for a lot of people surprise came out as anger. I mean really, how dare they make such a major move without consulting us first? After all, we type our fingers to the bone for this team. All management and ownership has invested in the team is millions and millions of dollars.
The only stat that counts is W
A player’s UZR does not necessarily tell you how he actually played just as it does not necessarily tell you what his true talent is. Mitchel Lichtman, creator of UZR
I except it because I have to, it happened.
but, I might have a hard time cheering for Hoey or Hughes till they prove(earn) they should be on the 40 man roster.
Wow, that took me like five reads
Then I understood you meant “accept”
I agree with your sentiments tho. Pat Neshek is a very likable guy.
by twinscrazy_german on Mar 22, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I accept that statement,
except I could be wrong. Yes, I get words jumbled or mixed around at times.
by b1 on Mar 22, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Get ready for Neshak to show improvement this year
Taking the mound at Petco is every pitcher’s dream. It doesn’t necessarily mean he will be a “better” pitcher, but that ballpark masks a lot of mistakes.
True
But Target Field was the best pitchers park in the AL. I don’t know how Petco would do if it had to contend with the DH.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
I have to think BS knows more than us...
There is a lot here that isn’t being said. Neshek won’t say anything, Bill Smith won’t say anything & Gardy won’t say anything. Last year I remember hearing that the Twins FO and Gardy weren’t really happy with Neshek on a couple of really minor injuries and his unwillingness to play through them when it was really important for him to shed the rust and build arm strength back up after TJ.
This spring he hasn’t been amazing… velocity is still down and movement on his 2 out pitches (Slider & Change) just weren’t there. Sometimes TJ will change a pitcher; Sometimes the pitcher will be able to throw faster, sometimes slower, sometimes stamina will never return & sometimes movement will stop. Movement has stopped on Neshek.
Neshek is a Minnesota kid with roots here, fans here and a successful season under his belt here. That alone is just not enough to keep him here. He is taking up a spot on the 40-man roster and that needs to be used by a guy who is going to contribute this year. Obviously they don’t know who that is right now but it would allow Gutierrez or Waldrop to be added if they are they guy…. most likely Waldrop from what I have read.
Dustin Martin?
1-1 with HR
I like hiim better than Repko honestly….
Nishi to Alexi = Double Play
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Mar 25, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Why was Burnett dropped from the group?
Last year the Twins insisted that Condry make the team. His S.T. sucked yet he was heading North with the team. Last second when he couldn’t pitch the Twins took Burnett over Slama and Delaney. Why? no one has ever said. Burnett pitched good for a couple of months and then ended up back in Rochester. Seem like a guy that pitched for a couple of months for the team last year would be one of the last ones cut this year. Did he have no chance to make the team? Why isn’t Burnett still in the running?

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