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It's Not That Kevin Slowey Is "Available", It's What He's "Available" For

If you believe the rumors that were flying around yesterday, you’d think the Twins were ready to shift a starting pitcher for relief help. Of course this already starts us off on a bad foot, because the last time the Twins dealt for relief help it involved a Major League starting shortstop and two minor league arms. I know, I know, the Twins have had some success in trading for relief arms over the last couple of seasons: Jon Rauch, Ron Mahay, Matt Capps and Brian Fuentes have all played significant roles in the bullpen over the last two seasons. But while all of them have been acquired for varying costs between virtually nothing and a highly-touted but possibly over-rated catching prospect, none of them have been picked up in exchange for a Major League starting pitcher.

 

I hate to lean on an interview that’s now a month old, but Rob Antony said it himself:

 

"I don't think we'd trade away one of our starting pitchers for a middle reliever or something."

 

As far as I’m concerned, his "or something" means "a relief pitcher in general". Feel free to follow the link to judge context for yourself.

 

If that reliever ended up being Joakim Soria, okay, I might temper my disbelief. But right now I can’t possibly buy the idea of the Twins dealing Kevin Slowey, a talented if slightly under-achieving (partially due to health reasons) starter for a "late inning relief help". If there’s a team in baseball who is both:

 

A)    looking for Major League-experienced starting pitching desperately, and

B)     has such a dearth of relief pitching that they’re willing to send us their quality set-up man if not their closer,

 

…I can’t find them.

 

But honestly, for me this is less about finding a realistic scenario that lands us a good reliever, and more about what this rumor implies in terms of a lack of creativity and vision.

Star-divide

 

The general rule about relief pitchers is that they’re pitchers who weren’t good enough to be starters. It’s not always true of course, but it’s definitely easier to be successful when you’re only exposing yourself to a few batters in each appearance. Indeed, as our own Jon Kammerer pointed out the last time I brought up the Slowey trade rumors, you can go by the rule of 17. Which means a starter can expect…

 

  • A 17% jump in strikeout rate
  • A 17% decrease in rate of home runs allowed
  • A 17 point drop in BABIP

…and around one run off their earned run average. Here’s how that all works out for Kevin Slowey.

 

Stat

Career

Rule of 17

K/9

6.9

8.1

HR/9

1.4

1.2

BABIP

.307

.290

ERA

4.45

3.45

The truth is, if you base those numbers off projections for Slowey in 2011, the numbers generally look even a little better. But for the sake of argument let’s just say that Slowey doesn’t out-perform those realistic numbers or even meet them. Let’s say he’s slightly worse than the "Rule of 17" and produces a 7.9 K/9, a .300 BABIP against and a 3.75 ERA. Even in that scenario he’s still one of the best right-handed arms in the bullpen not named Joe Nathan. I might trust him now more than I trust Matt Capps. His value per dollar will certainly be better than Capps’.

 

There are worse things than having a control pitcher who will miss some bats in the bullpen. And when considering the unknowns not just in the rest of the arms filling out the Major League bullpen, but the unknowns in regards to the arms who would then be trusted to be the sixth starter (Anthony Swarzak, Jeff Manship, Glen Perkins and with an even larger "unknown" factor in Kyle Gibson), there isn’t a lot that I like in this rumor.

 

With the situation where the Twins are in, where their biggest weakness is the bullpen, the starting lineup is pretty much set and there are plenty of options the organization likes internally for bench players, this is a rumor that leaves me a little unsettled. Not because they’re open to dealing Slowey, but because of what they’re apparently open to dealing him for.

 

I believe that in a vast majority of cases starting pitchers are better than relief pitchers, and that therefore the production you can get from that starter in a bullpen role will increase proportionally. And the difference between the kind of bullpen arm Slowey could be, and the quality of bullpen arms that will be available for Slowey…it’s not good enough.

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I went back and read the post by MLB Trade Rumors and the authors of the source are from FOX Sports. Translation, Kevin Slowey isn’t going anywhere except to the pen unless another starter gets hurt. Example: Carl Pavano breaks his wrist while trying to open a package (Sorry, but I had to go with an injury Jim Rome would love). Besides, this situation gives Kyle Gibson the chance to work his stuff in the minors for a full season.

With that said, I wouldn’t put it past the front office to work out a deal with either Toronto or St. Louis for Glen Perkins. My guess is that Glen is headed to Toronto to join their bullpen.

by Jessy S on Mar 24, 2011 1:44 PM EDT reply actions  

What He's "Available" For

Lawn care, chauffeur and light housekeeping. Reasonable rates. References available on request.

The only stat that counts is W
A player’s UZR does not necessarily tell you how he actually played just as it does not necessarily tell you what his true talent is. Mitchel Lichtman, creator of UZR

by wayback on Mar 24, 2011 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm interested...

"Huh. I thought the FAQ had you listed as "Twinkie Town Goddess" but hey, whatever you prefer." -wayback, 3/9/11

by fischean on Mar 24, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

No reason to move Slowey

Definitely not now. Give him a month in the bullpen. He could end up being the best reliever of the bunch. If he’s average or completely sucks, his trade value would still be the same since other teams will be looking for him as a starter and would look at his numbers as a starter, not a small sample of bullpen innings.

The Twins are in a position of great strength here. They should not move him unless they get a good-great package of near-mlb talent.

by nick5253 on Mar 24, 2011 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

The rule of 17 is from Tangotiger at the Book Blog

http://www.insidethebook.com/ee/index.php/site/comments/starter_v_relief_1953_2008/

There’s also similar research on swingmen at BP which confirms an increase in K rate, drop in ERA and a flat walk rate. Specifically, finesse pitchers decreased their ERA by 0.86, increased their K% by 2.4% and walk rate was stable.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=9841

by Jon Kammerer on Mar 24, 2011 2:41 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

“If there’s a team in baseball who is both:

A) looking for Major League-experienced starting pitching desperately, and

B) has such a dearth of relief pitching that they’re willing to send us their quality set-up man if not their closer"

Closest fit I can think of would have to the Pirates. But it would have to end up being something like evan meek AND Joel Hanrahan for me to not be disappointed.

by Mr. Smokum on Mar 24, 2011 4:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Chase D'Arnaud

I want an infielder prospect. He’s decent.

by DJL44 on Mar 24, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

I just threw up in my mouth

Nishi to Alexi = Double Play

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Mar 25, 2011 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think so

I’m fine with Slowey in relief and there has been much discussion about why we would trade Slowey, not Blackburn or Baker, because they both have higher contracts. Slowey should be the last one to trade. Of coarse Liriano’s name has come up to. I say why trade at all? For what? The team seems set to me.

by b1 on Mar 25, 2011 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was said in the off season

That signing Pavano would be followed by a trade of Slowey by more than one writer who had a tap on the FO. I stated that here THEN. People generally said “So what? Pavstache is better.”

Now it’s news?

by Shawn Gillogly on Mar 25, 2011 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess they were wrong

It’s been 3 months(?) now, with one week to go till the games start. Yes, he could still be traded but if he is, they sure took their time. I don’t know if I call that “followed by a trade”

by b1 on Mar 26, 2011 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

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