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First Impressions of the Beloit Snappers


After the first 4 games, my impression is there are 4 legitimate top twenty prospects on this team (Arcia, Ortiz, Salcedo and Soliman).  Here is my assessment of what happened in Quad Cities over the weekend.  (it should be noted that normally the weather is cold early on in the Midwest league, but the weather in Davenport was very nice all weekend long.  So that may have helped some of the hitters avoid the slow starts we often see)

First, Hermsen, despite his size and ability to pitch to contact with a delivery that is effortless....does not project well.  I spoke to a scout behind home plate that basically seemed bewildered as to why Hermsen doesn't have better stuff given his size. He has some good things going for him.   He throws strikes (unlike Martire Garcia).  He can generally keep the ball down...has that downward plane... He has a smooth delivery.  But is not deceptive...and throws in the high 80's.  But nobody seems to think he will be much of a prospect. 

Second, Salcedo.    Salcedo throws hard and generally locates the ball pretty well.  I saw three separate guns (Lobonav was charting for Beloit, the Quad Cities guys were there with their own gun...and the scout had his gun)...they generally were all within 1 mph of each other.  Salcedo was regularly at 94mph with what appeared to be a 4 seam fastball.  It was fairly straight, but it seemed to explode late.  No right handed hitter could touch his fastball (the lefties had some success....I will get to that in a minute)

Salcedo is unique for those of us who have seen so many finesse (pitch to contact) guys.   Salcedo is the classic power pitcher.  Very nasty breaking ball.  Right handed hitters were at his mercy.  He struggled with his offspeed stuff to lefties early...so he challenged them solely with fastballs.  After back to back bombs, in the second inning,  to a couple of lefties (and I mean absolute no doubters...way over the fence) he got more focused and starting using all his pitches.  He was virtually unhittable the rest of the game. 

the only caution on Salcedo is that his delivery may be violent, according to the scout next to me.  He does throw across his body a bit....so ..we will see what that means down the road.  But he is a power pitching prospect the likes of which the Twins have not seen in years.  His breaking ball is so nasty, I don't think any hitter even put so much as a good swing on it...nobody touched his breaking ball. 

Arcia.... is a physical specimen.  Thick, powerful, yet surprisingly athletic.   Arcia is a left handed hitter who dominates right handed pitching.  And he faced some excellent right handers in this series.  Rosenthal, Swagerty and Blair are all excellent prospects for St. Louis.  Rosenthal apparently hit 97 on the gun a couple times, Swagerty (2nd rounder from ASU) has an explosive fastball, and Blair (1st round draft pick from ASU)  has a power curve that is truly elite.  Quad Cities had some other arms that were pretty impressive too, but Arcia handled pretty much all of them.

Arcia, hit a triple off the wall that the wind blew back (the wind also blew back what would have been a home run for Santana...and a couple Quad Cities hitters had balls blown back on Saturday night...stiff wind in from right field).  So in that instance, Arcia pulled the ball.  His two doubles on Sunday were to left center, and he fought off a tough pitch by a LHP on Sunday and hit a two out RBI single to left.   He used the entire field all weekend.  An impressive display.  He may not have hit any HR's, but those will definitely come.   He is a powerful hitter.  He almost decapitated Blair with a line drive single on Saturday night.  The ball explodes off his bat.    And he can run a bit.  He stole second base on his fourth attempt (two hitters fouled off three pitches with Arcia running...so by the time he actually stole second, he was probably pretty tired..but he stole it anyway on a close play)

Ortiz, standing next to Arcia, looks like he is in 7th grade.  And yet, Ortiz has a decent projectable build.  He plays well in the outfield, although he will likely be a corner outfielder down the road.  He has a pretty good arm and covers some ground.  Not quite as good as Angel Morales, in my opinion, but a good left handed hitting prospect.  Since a hitter faces mostly right handed pitching, it is good to have two solid left handed hitting prospects in Arcia and Ortiz.  Ortiz used the whole field as well.  He absolutely laced a single over the shortstops head in one at bat...and in another at bat, he got out in front of a change up and sort of one handed a fly ball that was caught at up against the right field wall...he has some power.  Ortiz did not seem to get fooled much this weekend ...unlike Lance Ray who, while being a good hitter at times, struck out a lot and was fooled a lot in every game.   Arcia never seemed to get fooled.  Arcia did strike out on a pitch that seemed about 8 inches outside.  Arcia barked at the home plate umpire and, for a second, I thought he may get ejected.  But the ump let him walk away.  (one additional point about Arcia...he wants to swing.  You can tell ...but he, nonetheless, has a very good eye.  He did not chase much.  Probably had one bad at bat the whole weekend.)

Solliman throws hard.  Did not get to start, but the scout raved about his raw stuff.  Might have to follow him closely to see how he progresses.

Some disappointments.  McCallum just doesn't seem to put good wood on the ball.  Michael Gonzalez is huge and has a big swing.  Sadly, he rarely, if ever, squares one up.  Tobias Streich and Knudson are good defensive catchers, but not much offense from either.  Pinto is probably not going to be around long.   Tonkin is very skinny, funky delivery...throws hard, but does not deceive anyone.  O'Rourke has an odd delivery...unimpressive offspeed stuff.  Not much there from him or Dempster.  Martire Garcia could not find home plate with a map.  He was all over the place.  I expected more from Reggie Williams, but he was just sort of there...

Gunner Glad is a good hitter.  Not sure where he will play though.  He hit an absolute bomb to left field, off a very good pitcher.  And he took the ball to right field in other at bats.  Solid hitter who may not have a defensive position.

Daniel Santana is an enigma at this point.  A switch hitter who shows signs from both sides of the plate.  He hit with gap power from both sides.  He is very fast.  He has a cannon for an arm at Shortstop.  Lots of potential here.  But...he does some other things that make you scratch your head.  LIke failing to lay down a sac bunt on three successive pitches on Saturday night...then again on Sunday he had another weak effort on another sac bunt situation (fortunately their pitcher threw to second and the ball went into center field..so Santan was spared some misery there)   And he is still raw as a hitter.  Chases a lot of pitches.



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NIce write up

Good read I agree with a lot of which you stated, I think its awesome Danny Ortiz is being handled so aggressive in the org and looks like a kid with a plan, and literally is a kid.

Anyways Ft. Myers is like 4-0 to start the Year

I think we’re in for a treat this year throughout the Twins minor leagues (Hoping for generally healthy year too)
as far as competetion and playoff races go!

Ft. MYERS COULD BE REAL GOOD TOO..

Nishi to Alexi = Double Play

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Apr 10, 2011 9:11 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice right up

Salcedo struck out 10 in 6 innings tonight. So far its positive in the low minors. Benson hit a HR and is also hitting for average. Hicks is hitting leadoff and getting hits. Gibson got shelled but Plouffe is getting hits.

by clutterheart on Apr 10, 2011 10:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Glad to see Hicks have a few good games out of the gate

The last two years, he’s had awful early season slumps

by DavidRF on Apr 10, 2011 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very nice

write up. I especially liked the details on Arcia and Salcedo. I followed them all weekend so I knew that they both played really well down there, but it’s good to get the perspective of someone who saw the game. So Salcedo sits at 94 now? Any idea what his highest reading was? If he sits at 94, that’s incredible, especially for the Twins org. no less. If you were to assign a grade to the breaking ball, what would you give it? What kind of pitch is it? I’m very excited to see what Salcedo continues to do this year.

Arcia may be up for a mid season promotion to A+ if he hits anywhere close to the way he did in E-Town. I was surprised that they had him batting from the DH spot though, I didn’t like that. Hopefully they get him plugged into the OF sometime soon.

by Zeitgeister on Apr 11, 2011 2:16 AM EDT reply actions  

Salcedo's slider

is more of a 10 to 4 pitch… Not a straight drop (like a 12 to 6). It is not a “sweeping” slow moving pitch. But rather, it is a very sharp, biting slider. It breaks somewhat late and very hard. The tantalizing part of this is that he keeps the pitch down pretty well. Down in the zone, that pitch is borderline impossible to hit. And if someone does hit it, he likely will not get good wood on the ball. The scout I was next to called it a “plus plus” pitch. He used the term “devastating” to describe it.

I am going to the game in Beloit tonight. I will ask Arcia why he was DHing. He certainly seemed healthy enough to play. If it was a health issue, my guess is his arm or shoulder or something like that. Because his legs seemed fine. He legged out a double yesterday and showed a good burst between first and second to get in safely.

by NorthDakotaTwinsFan on Apr 11, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

If his stuff is really that good

I expect him to shoot up prospect lists by the end of the year. Thanks for the response, I’m excited about his future.

by Zeitgeister on Apr 11, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great work

I’m really excited about Salcedo and Arcia, especially.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Apr 11, 2011 4:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Danny Ortiz

is hitting everything…hard. Tonight, he executed a very nice hit and run, lacing a single through the hole (the shortstop covered the bag). Then he hit a line drive off the wall for in right center for a triple. Good speed on the basepaths. Finally, he waited nicely on a pretty good curveball and yanked one over the right field fence in his last at bat.

Daniel Santana is growing on me as a prospect. He turned two very nice double plays tonight. Very strong and accurate arm. Quick to turn the double play. Good hands. He is anxious as a hitter. Chases the first pitch all the time (despite being a leadoff hitter)…physically he looks a lot like Christian Guzman. He has potential. A long way to go, but he is more interesting in many ways that Estarlin was…or even Beresford, in my opinion.

by NorthDakotaTwinsFan on Apr 11, 2011 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks NDTF

This was one of the best reads here in a while. I wish I could read a report like this once a month from all of the Twins affiliates. You have a solid eye and know what to look for.

I have never been real high on Hermsen. I think people got ahead of themselves when we were able to sign him. But his high 80’s FB hasn’t gotten any faster since high school, which is too bad.

We drafted Ortiz as an outfielder. I must have missed when the Twins converted him the the infield. Glad to see his glove is handling it thus far.

Soliman was a third baseman until 2 years ago and still young enough (21). He’s already pitching well and still fairly new the the position. Hopefully his secondary pitches can come through since he’s had so little time to work on them.

Thanks again.

by Kyleb_82 on Apr 13, 2011 6:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Sat by Terry Ryan last night

He gave me some interesting perspectives. For example, we discussed Danny Ortiz. I asked him for a comparable player (because I was struggling trying to describe who I thought he should be compared to. There are not many 5’11" 170-180 lb outfielders in MLB) Terry Ryan suggested he profiles a bit like David DeJesus. Seems like a good comp to me…although it does suggest that Ortiz is a bit of a long shot. He does not fit the mold of the modern outfielder. So he will have to swim against the current. But he has a lot of talent, so I remain optimistic he can beat the odds.

Ryan confirmed what I thought about Daniel Santana. He indicated if talent alone was enought to get a player to the big leagues, Santana would easily have his ticket. Unfortunately, so far, “how he plays the game does not match up with his talent”.

Soliman throws mostly in the low 90’s….not quite as hard as Salcedo, and not quite as sharp a slider. After seeing him last night, and hearing some things Terry Ryan said…I am not as confident he is a top 20 prospect. He is good…don’t get me wrong. Just not sure how good at this point. He does not ooze talent like Salcedo…then again, no pitcher in the Twins minors does.

Arcia saw nothing but change ups and fastballs away. The Beloit team almost got no hit, but the umpire contributed to that quite a bit. HUUUGGGEEE strike zone last night. Made it almost impossible for anyone to get a good pitch to hit.

by NorthDakotaTwinsFan on Apr 13, 2011 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Thanks for the great report.

Lots of great details & the fact you were able to supply info from Terry Ryan & a scout at the game is impressive.

by golfboy1 on Apr 13, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I always think of Ron Gant for a "smaller" outfielder

Reggie Sanders was 6’ 180. Ray Lankford was 5’11" 180. Felipe Alou was 6’.

by DJL44 on Apr 13, 2011 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

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