Twins Injury Updates, Personnel Changes
A lot of interesting information came through this morning. In his weekly radio program, Ron Gardenhire was fairly forthcoming in updating us on where all of our injured players are in terms of their recovery. We'll hit everything bullet point style.
- Joe Mauer won't be taking rehab in Rochester, but staying in Fort Myers. He'll play Monday and Tuesday, face Joe Nathan on Wednesday, and could potentially be back with the Twins for the weekend. Considering how long he's been gone and how little we really know about his bi-lateral leg weakness, it's a bit of a shock thinking that he's actually that close to getting back.
- Speaking of Nathan, there's still no timetable for him.
- Tsuyoshi Nishioka played for the Red Wings today. He'll play a few games there, but along with Mauer, Nishioka is considered to be the player closest to returning to Minnesota. Closer than Kubel or Span? Maybe.
- Speaking of which, both Denard Span and Jason Kubel are eligible to return from the disabled list in the next couple of days. It sounds like Kubel won't be back until the soreness goes away, which could be Wednesday at the earliest, but it wouldn't surprise me to see the Twins wait to reactivate him until this next weekend. Span, meanwhile, feels better but won't be activated until all concussion-related symptoms have passed. Just like Kubel, his exact return date is still up in the air.
- Jim Thome is headed to Florida on Monday. He's had his shots, and now he'll look to get a little work in. Hopefully he'll also be back in one to two weeks, but right now it's just a matter of if he can stay loose. He'll be limited in his time with the Twins, in whatever case.
- The Twins are still waiting to hear from Justin Morneau's specialist, and depending on what he says then Morneau may or may not end up on the disabled list. His wrist is keeping him out, not to mention his neck, but with all of the players due to return to this lineup over the next couple of weeks I'd just bite the bullet and put Morneau on the disabled list. He's not under as much pressure to continue to play in spite of his ailments, not right now, so getting him rested and healthy should be the primary concern.
- Glen Perkins will throw for Rochester once more on Tuesday. If he's healthy, we could see him back with the Twins by next weekend as well.
- Non-injury related, but Gardy expressed his confidence in Brian Duensing and his ability to be an effective starting pitcher. It doesn't sound like Duensing is in danger of losing his spot in the rotation anytime soon.
- Kevin Slowey has thrown from 150, and has now thrown from the mound as well. His return still isn't estimated, but he is progressing.
After the jump I'll attempt to predict who will be sent down when certain players return.
This isn't a list of what I would do. This is a list of what I believe Gardy will do.
IN: Joe Mauer
OUT: Rene Rivera
Rivera has been catching a lot lately, but Gardy likes to go with who he knows. Butera has had more time with this team and with these pitchers, so I'd anticipate he stays on as the team's second catcher. I'd be pretty shocked if this went the other way.
IN: Tsuyoshi Nishioka
OUT: Brian Dinkelman
We've seen Dinkelman in the outfield, but the Twins still have five outfielders on the active roster without him. It's been good to see him, and I think largely he's held his own, but he won't survive the return of all these players anyway and I think this is the spot where he'll be sent down.
IN: Denard Span
OUT: Rene Tosoni
There really isn't another option, here. Because Gardy will keep from making a decision between Repko and Revere for as long as he possibly can.
IN: Jason Kubel
OUT: Jason Repko
I struggled with this one, because for the same reason Gardy would rather keep Butera than Rivera I can see him keeping Repko over Revere. Repko is a bit older, is a good defender, and quite importantly: he won't require a lot of playing time. But in this scenario, where Revere has played so well in all aspects of his game, I anticipate the Twins making a move on Repko. Gardy will try to shift Revere around between all three outfield spots, shifting Cuddyer to the infield when he can or putting Young as designated hitter from time to time. I know Gardy would find at least two starts a week for Revere, and we'd see him regularly on the bases as a pinch runner and in the outfield as a late-inning defensive replacement.
IN: Jim Thome
OUT: Luke Hughes
I really wish this doesn't happen. I've said on many occasions that I like Hughes and hope that the Twins find a way to keep him around, but considering Minnesota's options at this point I don't see it happening. They'll still need another guy to backup shortstop, and Hughes just isn't that guy.
IN: Glen Perkins
OUT: Phil Dumatrait
It's either Dumatrait or James here, and I have to believe that in spite of Dumatrait's good numbers so far that the Twins will take a look at that walk-to-innings pitched ratio and do the right thing. James has pitched well, and deserves to stay. Dumatrait has pitched well, but the liklihood of him continuing to pitch well is low.
IN: Kevin Slowey
OUT: Alex Burnett
This is another situation I won't agree with, because I'd rather see Hoey given the heave-ho. But Burnett is the kid, wasn't traded for a starting shortstop, and hasn't been good enough (although I don't think he's been bad) for the Twins or Gardy to keep him around over Hoey and all that Hoey stands for.
IN: Joe Nathan
OUT: Jim Hoey
Whenever Nathan returns, looking at the roster as it currently stands, that's where Hoey finally gets his walking papers. Or, at least, a free trip to Rochester.
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I hope Rene Rivera stays
Won’t he have to clear waivers to be sent down now though, with having no options and the 60-man DL moves? People were saying something like that on Twitter…
"It happened in the moment, and it happened." - Carlos Gomez
Yes.
But I don’t think he’s a guy in danger of being claimed. Not unless someone is as desperate for catching as we’ve been. I’d bet he goes through.
Although I agree, I’d rather see him stay.
And...
Mauer has to come off the 60 Day DL, meaning someone has to come off the 40, so Rivera is the way to do that.
But I would consider Drew Butera as well
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I see Rivera staying with Butera going down...
…Anyway, I don’t see either catcher taken off the 40-man roster leaving the Twins with only two catchers. Somebody else is going to be outrighted to Rochester, whomever it is will be tough decision for Bill Smith.
The other option is for the Twins to use three Catchers
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Also
Sounds like Nishioka may be back Wednesday. I think the plan is for him to play 3 games with Red Wings.
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I hope you're right about Revere
he made the team, as fat as I’m concerned
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by Jason Kubel's Beard on Jun 12, 2011 7:53 PM EDT reply actions
Hehehe.
As fat as you’re concerned.
But yeah, Revere’s really shown that he should be able to stay up here.
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yeah, as fat
:)
The beard abides.
by Jason Kubel's Beard on Jun 12, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Why, exactly?
is it his sub .600 ops? or his anemic walk rate? I’ve been loving the winning streak, and how well our AAA guys have gelled as of late, but I’m really missing something with the Hughes and Revere love. Neither has proven himself to a point where more games in AAA definitely won’t help these guys improve—Hughes especially. Did we all miss him lolligag to the ball after kicking it today? That’s completely unacceptable and something that Delmon would, rightly, be excoriated for. I’m wondering if it isn’t lowered expectations from our terrible start.
yes
if he didn’t lolligag to the ball after he made the error, he totally would have had a play on Andrus at 1B!
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I was more impressed with 'excoriate'
:-)
I don’t hear that often enough. You could probably work ‘egregious’ in there as well.
I'll remember to use smaller words
but I’m really missing something with the Hughes and Revere love.
but the Hughes and Revere love seems egregious to me. There ;)
That was a perfectly cromulent comment.
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So, you did get the reference then?
Let loose the hogs of war!
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I hope the Simpsons never ends.... ;-)
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I like the words... I'm just having fun
We have fun in game threads with Hughes because he’s Australian. Realistically, as an armchair GM, my feeling is that Hughes has more potential for ‘pop’ than Tolbert. He could be a 10 HR guy if he clicked whereas Tolbert doesn’t have that in him. But these guys are scrubs. We shouldn’t look at these guys as more than fill-ins. If someone better comes up from the minors we’d replace either one in a heartbeat.
Revere is interesting. He’s a lot of fun to watch and has some great games but you’re right, with few walks and no XBH there’s not much margin of error for him offensively. Basically he has to bat .310 or more to be worth anything. At the moment, its Revere vs. Repko. We need a backup that can fill in for Span. Revere can do that. I would want to count on him replacing Young or Cuddy or Kubel until he can hit more doubles.
Revere vs. Delmon, Cuddyer, Kubel is the question for next year.
Delmon’s the weakest link right now, but all three of them have had the part at some point in the last year and a half. I think Revere’s going to have someone’s job if he turns in a passable season. He’s going to cost about 5-7 million less than those guys too.
Revere’s MLB ISO right now has to be small-sample size stuff. It’s going to be low, but it’s not going to be completely non-existent. With his speed, if he can get an outfielder to turn sideways it’s a double and if their backs go to home it’s going to be a triple.
well
I sorta see what you’re saying but Revere does add a real element in his speed and (sadly) his sub .600 ops is still higher than Delmon’s ops. But, to my naked non-scouting eye, he seems to be ML ready defensively now and improving at the plate quickly. I think his obp (which is really all that matters with him) will improve with more PA. But I understand your side, too.
I guess my main point is
When (if?) we’re finally healthy is Revere better served on the bench getting token starts and pinch running duties or as a full time starter in Rochester. We have a good defensive no bat guy in Repko, and Repko isn’t going to get better.
MLB exposure has value too.
I suspect they can work him in enough that it’s not a waste of his time.
With his good game calling and defense
I wish Gardy would keep Rivera and option Drew. But Drew has started to hit on the other hand…
Valencia goes down
Hughes stays at 3rd
by clutterheart on Jun 12, 2011 8:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Not entirely against this idea, as much as I like Valencia at 3B.
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Agreed
Valencia should be sent down, but I would do Luke Hughes instead.
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Valencia actually hitting the ball just as well this year as last...
by SethSpeaks on Jun 12, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Due to no cable
I dont watch many games. Do they put a shift on for him? Is he getting pitched a certian way? Luck is one thing but so is not making adjustments
by clutterheart on Jun 12, 2011 9:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
He is actually walking more and striking out less than last year.
No way that Danny should be sent down. It’s really unfortunate that Danny is the target of Gardy’s irrational hatred. I guess since Plouffe, Slowey, and Hardy are gone it has to go somewhere.
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by d-mac on Jun 12, 2011 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
irrational hatred?
Valencia is hitting 218. Nothing irrational about wanting some hits from the 3b spot. It might do him so good to figure out his swing at AAA.
by clutterheart on Jun 13, 2011 12:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If you even looked at that great article by Parker, linked above, you would know there is nothing wrong with Valencia!
Just because the results aren’t there, doesn’t imply the anything is wrong with the process. He is hitting a solid .200 lower on line drives than the league average, yet he is hitting line drives at an above average rate! What the hell do we have to say!!!!? It is getting to be a bit ridiculous. Danny Valencia is getting royally screwed from behind by absolutely crappy luck. His improved BB/K ratio and improved line drive rates from last year means he has actually IMPROVED as a hitter.
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I don't think that would be the right move to take
Not sure how much that would help Danny to be demoted
by twinscrazy_german on Jun 12, 2011 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Hopefully we make decisions to help the Twins rather than Danny.
That being said, it would be one heck of a fall, but he is really, really in a funk right now.
I am all for Rivera ahead Butera myself as well.
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he isn't in a funk
so much as being incredibly unlucky! He stung two hard line drives right at fielders, one with an amazing catch to rob a double. That is unlucky, not a funk
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by BCTwins on Jun 12, 2011 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This month he has an OPS just over .400. That is a funk.
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OPS is all fine
and good, but it doesn’t account for how unlucky Danny has been. Danny’s line drive % is at 20%, as opposed to the league average of 18%. That is unlucky!
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Listen, I like Danny too, but he has been awful this month. Probably not going to be sent down, but luck does not explain how bad he has hit this month.
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um
Danny has been very unlucky! Go take a look at the non-traditional BA, OBP, OPS stats and tell me that Danny hasn’t been unlucky, especially recently!
Sure, the first few months, Danny wasn’t consistent, but he is extremely unlucky right now. How can you argue against that when he is hitting LD at a 2% clip better than the league average?
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for example
if just 10 of Danny’s hard rope liners fell in, we would be looking at a BA of .260+
When Danny hits the ball, he hits it on a line, and unfortunately, most of the time it is caught.
League Avg of LD% this year is 18%, but the Batting average on those liners (league average) is .713
Danny has a LD% of 20%, but his batting average on those liners is at .568 – eventually, if Danny keeps hitting liners, which his history vouches he will, those liners will drop in, find holes, etc and his average (and production which has been fine so far this year) will improve dramatically.
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by BCTwins on Jun 12, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I generally agree with that
he’s had some god awful at bats on occasion but usually he (seems) to have an idea of what to do and tries to get good wood on it. I think he eventually snaps out of it.
I do think he hit a funk
But I don’t think it’s a funk that deserves to get him sent down. When Cuddy and Delmon are hitting that badly, they don’t get sent down.
Also, I think Danny has begun to work himself out of it. He hadn’t had day off for most of the season (until recently) and I think that may have played a part. With a few rest days and some hitting work, I can see him getting back into form.
Im hoping that
once we have everyone back the bench will consist of Thome, Revere, Hughes. Rivera. I think Rivera has really impressed Gardy with the way he handles the pitchers, Hughes can backup 1st 2nd 3rd and both Nishi and Casilla can play short if whoever is starting there (sounds like it will be Nishi) needs a day off, and Revere deserves to be in the lineup regulary even if its just rotating him around but I would like to see him get LF and Young be traded. Also I doubt Slowey will come back to the majors I think they will stretch him out at Rochester and trade him.
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Slowey
Yeah, I don’t see him back up in the pen (obviously) and if some starters go down, they’ll plug in Swarzak. Plus Gibson is ready and they can bring him up without risking super 2 status. Heck, they might bring Hacker back up, or Diamond. I just don’t think Slowey will pitch for the Twins again.
If we could trade Young
I would be ecstatic. I mean, I do want something good for him. And I don’t know if anyone would take him right now. But I am ready to not see him anymore.
I buy part of that
Really doubtful that Gardy would go with Hughes over Tolbert for the utility infield spot, though, regardless of the middle infielders’ abilities to fill in for each other.
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Starting 2B
June 3 was the last day that Tolbert did not start at 2B. Since June 4, our starting double play combo has been Casilla-Tolbert. And with as well as those two have been playing, I’m not sure this will change even when Nishi returns. He may be your utility guy until one of the current guys is injured or slips [back] into a funk.
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by WindyCityTwinsFan on Jun 13, 2011 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
um no
we do not pay a Japanese star player on a three year contract to be a utility player.
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Nishi’s not even making Nick Punto ‘09-’10 money….until a spot opens up and he proves he can play at the major league level, he’d be the perfect backup. Great situation for him to get his feet wet w/o the pressure to hold down a starting spot, rather he gets to work into the American game and prove his worth.
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by WindyCityTwinsFan on Jun 14, 2011 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Hughes
After Nishi’s back, presumably at short, they could send Tolbert down and move Casilla to short on Nishi’s off days and Hughes to second.
Please keep Rivera over Butters, Rivera over Butters! PLEASE BILL SMITH MAKE A SMART DECISION FOR ONCE!
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Revere/Hughes
I like both and if the team were 100% healthy I could see them going down. However that won’t happen as someone will be out at all times.
At this point I wouldn’t mind seeing them move Cuddyer back to 3B if everyone were healthy to open more playing time for Revere.
Also, to the people that don’t see the value in Revere…he has made a ton of catches that not even Denard Span could get to…not only catches but those that take away doubles and triples. If that isn’t adding something huge to the team than I obviously don’t understand baseball. An OF with Span and Revere in it can cover a ton of space and make our pitchers look better.
Gee, nobody's pleading for Hoey to stay
Which probably means he will. Repko too (ugh.) And while “Jesse” is probably right that Hughes isn’t really a backup SS . . . well, Tolbert hasn’t exactly been Nick Punto back there, either.
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Tolbert hasn’t exactly been Nick Punto back there, either.
by twinscrazy_german on Jun 13, 2011 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm actually Jesse.
It’s not a secret identity.
by Jesse on Jun 13, 2011 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Whatever.
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jun 13, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Find a way to keep Hughes and Revere
Luke Hughes is going to be a core player on this team. He’s a Gladden-Cuddyer type, a versatile, hard worker with a little swagger. He’s got pop in his bat and a jaunty bounce in his step. He’s upbeat, like Revere. The team needs guys like that to keep morale high.
Same with Ben Revere. Find a way to keep that smile and that speed on the major league club. I’m pretty sure Scott Baker would agree, it’s nice to have a speed merchant in the outfield. Two of them (Span and Revere) would be even better. Three of them (Span, Revere, Repko?), would make a whole lot of fly balls land in a glove. Can you imagine the outfield when Aaron Hicks makes it? I can see Hicks in CF with Span and Revere on the corners. Nothing would hit the ground!
Delmon needs a hot streak, which maybe started last week...
…then, Bill Smith needs to find the courage to trade him. Replacing him in left with Revere will improve our outfield defense and keep that excitement in the offense. Maybe we can even pick up a real right handed reliever in the process.
I'm not sure how much Delmon would fetch,
even after a hot streak.
I honestly think you could get just as much for Delmon as you’d get for Cuddyer, who’s an impending free agent anyway. Worry about moving Delmon after the season is over.
I would not be shocked at all if they pick Rivera over Butera.
Anything else would be shocking if the team didn’t seem to have a sort of special affection for Butera.
I wonder if they don't go Hughes over Tolbert too.
Hughes has actually played more than I thought so far this year and almost as much as Tolbert. He’s hit decently for a middle infielder (awesomely by Twins MI standards) and defended decently too.
I would not be shocked if they moved Delmon.
I’m not saying that’s what they should do. They would obviously be selling low. But it wouldn’t surprise me if they just cut bait with Delmon and get whatever they can. I think Gardy loves Revere, and his frustrations with Delmon are no secret. I could see Gardy lobbying to sell Delmon sometime in the next few weeks so that Revere can keep his starting spot.
It wouldn't shock me either.
You could just about put him on waivers at this point. I know he has more hot streaks in him and he could still turn into a feared hitter, but the risk-reward at this point just doesn’t look good to me anymore over the year and a half of team control he has remaining.
My prediction, taking into account needed 40-man moves
June 14, Morneau placed on DL retro to 6-11
June 14, Perkins off DL
June 15, Nishioka off 60-day DL, Repko DFA
June 16, Kubel off DL, James optioned (it looks like he has one option left; if not, perhaps Dumatrait is DFA here)
June 17, Mauer off 60-day DL, Rivera DFA
June 20ish, Span off 7-day DL, Tosoni optioned
June 20ish, Nathan off DL, Hoey optioned
June 20ish, Thome off DL, Dinkelman optioned
June 20ish, Slowey off DL and optioned to AAA
June 26, Morneau off DL, Hughes or Tolbert optioned (or DY traded by this point)
And by the end of the month, the Redwings have a AAA team again!
by twinscrazy_german on Jun 13, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Yet that is easier said than done
With the twists and turns this season has taken, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a major injury or two hurt us in the short run.
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Morneau on the DL that long for a wrist?
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