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Twins 40-Man Roster Decisions: Two Must Go

Repko would be cut loose from the 40-man roster if the Twins choose to keep Revere with the big league team.

Yesterday evening I went into speculation mode and discussed who the Twins would send back to Rochester when half of the squad returns to Minnesota. But I left out the nessecary parts of the conversation where we talk about the restrictions on the Twins, and the restrictions on individual players. Let's run through the motions.

Right now, both Joe Mauer and Tsuyoshi Nishioka are officially members of the 60-Day disabled list. The 60-day DL is utilized for players who will be hurt for an extended period of time, because players on that list aren't counted toward the 40-man roster. It allows the organization the freedom to add additional players, generally for players who will be immediately called up to the Major League club. This is what happened with Brian Dinkelman.

The problem this creates, for teams like the Twins who are now fully-loaded on their 40-man, is that somebody (or in our case, two somebodies) will need to be removed from that 40-man roster. Here are your choices.

Star-divide

Rene Rivera: Rivera has no options, and must be passed through waivers to be re-assigned to Rochester.

Drew Butera: Butera has options remaining, which means if the Twins are truly torn between these two players then they'll send Drew to triple-A. The problem here is that A) Gardy loves Butera,  B) there isn't really a big difference between these two guys, especially in terms of a backup catcher's playing time, and C) dropping Butera to the Red Wings wouldn't help solve Minnesota's issues with the 40-man roster. I'll be honest, I can't imagine the Twins valuing Rivera so much that they'd expose another one of these players to waivers. But if they do, the axe is likely to fall on Dinkelman and Repko.

Brian Dinkelman: Dinkelman obviously has options, as this is his first stint in The Bigs. But, just like Butera, he wouldn't help solve the Twins' 40-man roster options. He is also the player most recently added, which means if you believe in last in, first out, he's quite likely to get passed back through waivers on his way back to the minor leagues. If he somehow survives this cull, it's likely the Twins go with Rivera and Repko.

Rene Tosoni: Tosoni, just like nearly every guy on this list, is pretty much a sure bet to get demoted in the coming days. But the Twins value his versatility, not to mention his decent performances in the minor leagues, so it's unlikely that Tosoni will be removed from the 40-man.

Ben Revere: If Revere gets sent down, he won't be removed from the 40-man roster. If he does get sent down, then Repko is safe and it becomes likely that the axe falls on Dinkelman and Rivera.

Jason Repko: This is a tough decision for the Twins. Because if Repko gets sent down, he'll need to be passed through waivers, and this would be a move that would have been forced by Revere's great play. If he goes down, the Twins not only prefer Revere to Repko, but they're willing to chance losing him to keep Revere.

Luke Hughes: Hughes has a couple of options left, and is also highly unlikely to lose his spot on the 40-man.

Phil Dumatrait, Alex Burnett, Jim Hoey, Chuck James: All of these guys will be safe in terms of the 40-man roster, barring something unforeseen. The Twins need to make room not just on the 40-man roster, but on the 25-man as well, which means they'll more than likely be keeping their waiver selections to position players.

There's also a small possibility that the Twins would choose to retain all players who could be lost through waivers, send down players with options, and then cut from the 40-man players like Chris Parmelee, Eric Hacker, Dusty Hughes, Joe Benson, etc. But this is highly unlikely, particularly if the Twins are committed to keeping the best 25 men on the Major League roster.

Stay tuned.

Poll
Which of these likely candidates would you remove from the 40-man first?
Rene Rivera
110 votes
Brian Dinkelman
131 votes
Jason Repko
86 votes
One of the pitchers (Dumatrait, Burnett, Hoey)
57 votes
Another minor league player (Hacker, D. Hughes)
271 votes

655 votes | Poll has closed

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I’m certainly on board with cutting Hughes loose. It also means the Twins could either A) pass Dinkelman to Rochester without exposing him to waivers, and B) send down Butera and not have to potentially lose Rivera.

by Jesse on Jun 13, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Probably Dinkelman

Already have 5 other OF on the 25 man. Wouldn’t be huge if he was lost on waivers.

by John_Locke on Jun 13, 2011 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also

Sadly, I could see them DFAing Slama. It’s clear that they don’t think too much of him.

by John_Locke on Jun 13, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

That would be my choice

D. Hughes + Dinkelman, then send down Butera/Rivera. Hopefully Butera.

by archie2227 on Jun 13, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hacker

Is he still on? If so he should not be.

by clutterheart on Jun 13, 2011 5:06 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed

Send down someone with options and cut Hacker

by DJL44 on Jun 14, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dusty Hughes was the first one that came to my mind.

The other one will probably be a catcher, or Dinkelman (sob).

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by myjah on Jun 13, 2011 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dusty Hughes

I can’t imagine him not being the very first cut to make room on the 40-man. Obviously a failed experiment, and his absence during this period of winning should speak volumes to the F.O.

  It would make so little sense to cut one of the players currently being productive on the 25-man roster when there’s still hope that your Tosoni’s, Dinkleman’s, and L. Hughes’ have future MLB potential.

 I also have a pretty hard time believing that they would immediately go back to a 2-catcher staff after the last 2 months here. Injuries at that position are just too easy to sustain. I see the Revere over Repko choice being the major move most plausible.

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by WindyCityTwinsFan on Jun 13, 2011 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I'd kick D. Hughes and either Hoey or Repko

We can find ways to replicate Repko’s skillset if someone snags him. I’d rather punt Hughes and Hoey, but I can’t see us dropping two pitchers the way we’ve churned pitching this year.

by foertsch on Jun 13, 2011 11:49 AM EDT reply actions  

I'll repeat my comment from the other post...

It wouldn’t surprise me if they move Delmon in the next few weeks for whatever they can get. I’m not saying it’s what they SHOULD do, since they would be selilng low, but it wouldn’t surprise me. Gardy seems to love Revere, and his frustrations with Delmon are well known, so I could see Gardy asking the front office to move Delmon so that Revere can keep his starting spot. It’s not a perfect analogy, but it kind of reminds me of the Castillo trade in 2007. Castillo wasn’t as much of a malcontent as Delmon, and I think the clubhouse hated the Castillo trade, but I don’t think the Twins’ brass were in love with Luis. They were only like 7 games back, but Terry Ryan didn’t see the Castillo trade as “giving up” on the playoffs. He just wanted to make room for Casilla at 2B, and saw Punto and Tolbert as reasonable fall-back options. I could see them trading Delmon to make room for Revere.

by Brad B. on Jun 13, 2011 11:50 AM EDT reply actions  

I see Dusty Hughes as the first to go...

…as he failed. I also see them keeping both catchers on the 40-man roster as they do need three as Mauer or either of the others could be hurt tomorrow. Having two isn’t good roster management. That means to me at least, that Butera goes back to Rochester as there isn’t another catcher in the organization ready for the big leagues.

As for the second 40-man roster cut (after D. Hughes), I see them doing something with Repko. Revere has made him expendable. Whether they keep Revere on the 25-man roster or not, he is a plane ride away and has proven he can play with the Twins.

by roger13 on Jun 13, 2011 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

I would expect

Dusty Hughes too. He has been in the minors now for a while and isn’t likely to be called up anytime soon either.

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by BCTwins on Jun 13, 2011 12:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Expecting a minor leage trade

I suspect that a couple of of these guys on the 40, mainly Hughes, will be traded away for filler material in our minors.

With how the season has gone and will carry 3 catchers on the 40 so Butera will be sent down, since they cant afford to loose Rivera.

Repko will be just cut loose if they cant trade him. I don’t see them sending him down to take time away from the current crop of outfielders

I also believe that the only reason Hoey is on the 25, is to increase his value before they trade him. This becomes more likely if Perkins continues to throw hard.

by I_was_here on Jun 13, 2011 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

What is the argument against waiving Dusty Hughes?

Seriously, I would be very interested in hearing this. I know, he’s lefthanded and breathing, which means there’s a decent shot he gets claimed, but the Twins have four other lefthanded bullpen arms plus a struggling lefthanded starter that’s succeeded in the bullpen before – it’s not like they’re going to run out of situational lefties. He’s even a waiver claim, not a trade acquisition, so it’s not like they have to keep him around to save face (that’s why I see Hoey’s release as unlikely) – the Twins haven’t been shy about releasing bad free agent signings (e.g. Tony Batista, Rondell White, Mike Lamb).

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by BeefMaster on Jun 13, 2011 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Batista, yeah

But the Twins never released Rondell White. He stuck around for the entirety of two terrible seasons, including the second after they picked up his option.

Lamb also might not be a great example for comparison to Hughes, since they didn’t actually release him until September.

by DK on Jun 13, 2011 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dangit

I was thinking of Craig Monroe when I typed that (fun fact: Monroe was leading the Twins in isolated power when he was let go). I remembered RonDL coming back for ‘07, although I couldn’t recall whether he made it through the whole season.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Jun 13, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

...

…Sidney Ponson, Ramon Ortiz, Livan Hernandez, Craig Monroe….

"...and we'll see ya tomorrow night!" - Jack Buck, Game 6, 1991 World Series

by WindyCityTwinsFan on Jun 13, 2011 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

While Livan won't make anyone forget HOFer Bert Blyleven

… he is still in the bigs, and threw more than 200 innings last year and is on a pace to do it again this year.

The only stat that counts is W

by wayback on Jun 13, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep

This is all true.

But still a questionable signing at the time for the Twins who cut him mid-season and did not regret it. He sure stepped in to fill the shoes of Carlos Silva – the man who truly did not need to be replaced.

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by WindyCityTwinsFan on Jun 13, 2011 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Almost Adam Everett, too

Supposedly Everett had already been told he was being designated for assignment, and then someone else got hurt before they’d officially submitted the transaction, so they kept him around.

That 2008 season was a complete clusterphooey, and the Twins still almost made the playoffs.

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by BeefMaster on Jun 13, 2011 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, and what is the argument for waiving Dinkelman?

Funny name, lots of outfielders, but he can actually hit a bit and plays second and outfield. He’s not exactly a hot prospect, but sounds like a useful guy to have around.

by Luke in MN on Jun 13, 2011 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Waiving Hacker is easier?

That’s the only argument in Hughes’ favor

by DJL44 on Jun 14, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Manship?

Showing my admitted ignorance here, but I’m sure someone can set me straight…

Jeff Manship is on Rochester’s DL, correct? Anyone know what his situation is? Is he likely to be sidelined a while?

If so… what are the rules with regard to pulling a minor leaguer who is on his club’s 40-man roster on that team’s 60-day DL?

by Jim Crikket on Jun 13, 2011 1:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Great question.

I’m not sure how that works. I’ll take a look.

by Jesse on Jun 13, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He would get major league pay and service time...

… if that were to happen. That’s why you never see it.

by matthew0211 on Jun 13, 2011 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

But that might be the only solution for the Twins

Someone has to go and moving Jeff Manship to the 60 Day DL would be fine with me. That would allow for Dusty Hughes or Jim Hoey to be moved to Rochester and off the 40-man.

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by Jessy S on Jun 13, 2011 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

If they're going to be off the 40-man and moved to Rochester, then what does it matter?

That’s exactly what we’re trying to do.

The Twins have a number of other options before they move a minor league pitcher to the 60-day DL, just to keep someone else of marginal value around.

by Jesse on Jun 13, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dusty and Repko.

Both totally expendable. If for some reason Repko gets claimed and you need a fifth OF again, there’s always Brandon Roberts.

Though as a MLBTR commenter points out, they could also waive Joe Nathan. It seems incredibly unlikely anyone picks him up or he refuses the assignment, and he could actually pitch sometimes as he tries to get it figured out.

by timprov on Jun 13, 2011 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Isn't the whole purpose of having Repko

To hold down the 5th outfielder spot until Revere’s ready to go. Let’s pull the trigger, folks!

by bl4ckduck on Jun 13, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

No way they DFA Nathan

Purely on numbers and cold statistics, maybe, but these things are about more than that.
Waiving him sends all the wrong signals to the team and fans alike.

by twinscrazy_german on Jun 13, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

More than that,

the guy is just recovering from Tommy John surgery. At 36. He’s going to take some time to get back to where he’s the best he can still be.

Nathan can still be a good reliever. Probably not one of the best as he had been, but still good. I expect him to come back eventually, and we might be lucky enough to see him pitch well by the end of the season.

by Jesse on Jun 13, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

The famous Jesse Lund of Twinkie Town is right

And the upside that I’m seeing is that it would be VERY easy to ink Nathan to a multi-year contract for very little cash this offseason. This could be a redeeming gamble for Smith to take.

by bl4ckduck on Jun 13, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

There really is no "Jesse Lund"

He’s just a marketing gimmick like “Betty Crocker” or “Alfred E. Newman.”

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jun 13, 2011 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

They would never do that to him.

Would not speak well of the organization either for any future players.

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by darren004 on Jun 13, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's also just coming back from Tommy John surgery.

Seriously, I’m not sure why people are forgetting to factor this into the equation. It will take some time before we know how much of the original Joe Nathan is still left. What we saw earlier this year certainly isn’t it. And those people who called Liriano washed up when he first came back, they’ve all been proved wrong dozens of times over.

I think we need to hold fire on any Nathan judgments for the time being.

by Jesse on Jun 13, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course Nathan is just a little bit longer in the tooth than Liriano.

That probably makes a bit of a difference, too.

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by bf4mvp on Jun 13, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly.

It means he might take a bit longer to come back, but there’s still a good chance he can pitch for the Twins later this year. The Twins will wait him out, and that’s the right thing to do.

by Jesse on Jun 13, 2011 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Depends on the future player

I’d say “We’ll give you an opportunity to prove that you’ve recovered from injury or your career isn’t really finished” is probably a more alluring message to free agents than “Screw you for getting injured.”

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Jun 13, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW...

is there really a chance Dinkelman would get claimed? I can’t imagine anybody has a pressing need for a player with his skill set on their 40 man. That said, I certainly hope we have definitively seen the last of Dusty Hughes, but if the FO thinks Dinkelman would clear I assume they’ll go that route.

by tobynotjason on Jun 13, 2011 2:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I must be missing something on Dinkelman because I think he'd surely be claimed.

Is he a terrible fielder or something? He’s a decent hitter, plays multiple positions, and is cheap as free.

by Luke in MN on Jun 13, 2011 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

A guy who figures to wOBA .300 at best and play middling defense at non-premium positions?

I think you’d have to be REALLY hurting not have a better option in your system at AAA. But maybe I’m missing something regarding the league’s depth at OF (seriously, this is not a rhetorical jab of any kind). I REALLY do not believe there would be any interest if he were waved. John Bowker cleared for the Pirates earlier this season. w0BA was over .400 last year at AAA and he’s killing AAA again since being DFA’d. Dinkelman’s certainly more versatile defensively, but his bat…?

by tobynotjason on Jun 14, 2011 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

AAAA player

Other teams have their own versions of Brian Dinkelman and they don’t have that much room on their 40 man roster.

by DJL44 on Jun 14, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not just 40-man roster space

I believe a waiver claim has to go on the 25-man roster.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Jun 14, 2011 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Butera and D. Hughes

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by cmathewson on Jun 13, 2011 4:31 PM EDT reply actions  

I wonder if this depends on whether they think Butera would get claimed

Obviously, it seems like he’d be a longshot, but if they thought that was a possibility, I’d think they’d want to make sure they don’t lose any 40-man catchers, given that Mauer will be fresh off the DL.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Jun 13, 2011 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mauer may go on the DL again this year

So you have to be careful with your backup catchers. Admittedly you would think the team could find a catcher who matches Butera/Rivera’s offense at a Red Hat Society luncheon, but they haven’t trotted out that player so far. (The curse of Steve Holm continues.)

But, if Mauer gets shelved again, it’s probably for the rest of the season and that would mean playoff hopes going from teeny to zilch. So maybe it’s more important to protect young players.

It’d be kind of interesting if a team insider wrote a description of the conversations they have when they are figuring these things out. Change the names of the players discussed to avoid hurting any feelings, of course.

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Jun 13, 2011 4:47 PM EDT reply actions  

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