Buyers Beware
It’s easy to get caught up in the 9-2 run that the Twins are on, and I’ll admit that I’ve got visions of yet another miraculous run floating around in the back of my mind. It’s not something I’m banking on, but it’s also something that’s no longer out of the question. The Twins have 51 games left within the Central division. They’ve got interleague matchups against baseball’s two worst offenses in the next week (San Diego and San Francisco). Tsuyoshi Nishioka could be back tonight (if they play) and Joe Mauer looks to be close behind. Jim Thome and Jason Kubel are also on the mend, and Justin Morneau may finally get a chance to heal and get back to something resembling his old self with this current DL stint (though maybe I’m putting too much of a positive spin on that).
There’s plenty to be hopeful for, despite being 9.5 games out of first, but I’m also trying to remember that there’s a long way for this team to go before it’s a contender. Personally, I like seeing fans making bold predictions that the Twins are going to come back and do it, but my biggest fear is that the front office may end up with similar visions, come the trade deadline, even if they’re misplaced at that point. More after the jump.
To be clear, if the trade deadline rolls around and the Twins are something manageable like 2-3 games back, I’m all in favor of foregoing the selling process. However, too many times in the past, teams who don’t have a realistic shot will refuse to sell, or worse yet, will play the role of buyer, only to hurt their long-term outlook as a franchise.
Last year the Dodgers traded away Blake DeWitt and six prospects at the deadline to acquire Ted Lilly, Ryan Theriot, Octavio Dotel, and Scott Podsednik. It was just over a month later that they shipped Dotel off to the Rockies just to dump the remainder of his salary. Los Angeles shipped James McDonald, Andrew Lambo, Brett Wallach, Kyle Smit, Lucas May, and Elisaul Pimentel away for that group of players. At the time of the trades, LA was four games above .500, while the Giants and Padres were 15 and 18 games over .500, respectively.
This offseason, they signed Jon Garland for $5M plus another $3M in incentives. To date, Garland has been worth +0.1 WAR and pitched to a 4.33 ERA (4.59 FIP and 4.64 xFIP) while McDonald, now in Pittsburgh, has been worth +0.2 WAR in the Pirates’ rotation, totaling a 4.80 ERA (4.66 FIP and 4.45 xFIP) over 15 more innings than Garland. The Dodgers entered the season with a left-field platoon of Jay Gibbons and Marcus Thames as their go-to plan. The team clearly prioritized pitching this offseason, re-signing Hiroki Kuroda, extending Ted Lilly, and adding Garland, but $6M on the free agent market (Garland’s $5M and the $1M allotted to Thames) could’ve seen them add a considerably better left fielder to boost an offense that right now ranks 18th in the Majors in runs scored.
Of course, maybe that was part of their game plan; they may have foreseen bigger things from Gibbons/Thames and thought they could allocate funds elsewhere as a result. There’s no real way of knowing, but it’s hard to argue that they did themselves any favors last July.
The Dodgers are just one example. In 2008, the Astros added Randy Wolf and LaTroy Hawkins at the deadline, rather than bolstering their own farm system, and finished 11 games out of first place in the NL Central.
Defenders might say that there aren't any elite prospects in the aforementioned trades, but they’d also have to acknowledge that the teams missed chances to bolster their farm systems by misguidedly trading away prospects who could eventually be useful.
If the Twins have found a way to claw back to within a few games of .500 by the trade deadline, but still find themselves facing a large deficit because of strong play by the Tigers, I’d hope that Bill Smith and his regime aren’t under the impression that they need to go into buy mode. The winning streak and improved play have been nice, but the Tigers are a good team who are only going to better themselves through trades in July. I’d hate to see the Twins deplete their farm system rather than add to it in order to make a run at the division from a deficit of 8-9 games.
I don’t by any means want to see the Twins as sellers. Over the past decade we’ve been fortunate to see contention on an almost yearly basis, and I’m hoping the magic for 2011 isn’t done yet. I’m also hoping, however, that Smith and Co. will make the right call on whether or not to add pieces, subtract them, or merely stand pat.
Steve Adams also writes for MLBTradeRumors.com and contributes at 612Sports.NET. You can follow him on Twitter: @Adams_Steve
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It just always comes back to Bill Smith for me
I hate to sound repetitive and beat a dead horse, but do we trust Smith’s judgment on trades even if the Twins are close to the top of the division?
July 24
I think everything will be clear for the Twins whether they are buyers or sellers after the game on July 24th. Leading up the 4 game series against the Tigers at Target Field we get a healthy dose of below average teams (San Diego, Los Angeles) and 15 games against the weaker division opponents (Kansas City, Chicago and Cleveland).
I could see the Twins making a few minors moves (bullpen mostly) if they find themselves in 2nd place in the division by July 25th. Most likely the trades would free up roster spots for a few players that have proven they should stay (mostly Ben Revere) while getting rid of dead weight (mostly Kevin Slowey and possibly Delmon Young).
I agree
I think they need to go 25-11 between now and 7/24 to avoid selling (which is different than buying). That’s a winning percentage of about .700. If they win less than 24 of their next 36 I think they’re clearly sellers.
I don’t think selling is necessarily a bad thing. This team can contend in 2012. Dealing Pavano, Cuddyer and Capps and replacing them with Gibson, Revere and Gutierrez wouldn’t necessarily be a downgrade for 2011 and it would save $20M.
No matter the record they will sell
This year has pointed out the various weaknesses of the farm system as well as the big club. It would be unforgivably stupid if Smith did not sell a few players to back fill the farm. The only question is how big the names are when he sells.
Unforgivably stupid to give up on the season?
If we do not snap out of it soon, sure, but if we go on a patented Twins run, then no, not selling a few players is not unforgivably stupid.
Let loose the hogs of war!
Dogs of war..
Whatever farm animal of war, Lana...
Selling is not giving up on a season
Would trading Delmon to clear room for Revere be a bad thing? Would trading Tolbert for a bag of balls so that Hughes can take the bench spot be giving up?
By no means did I mean to suggest a fire sale, just cutting bait with the elements that are holding the team back.
They're in LAST PLACE
The default position for a last place team is SELL
Not for LONG.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"God grab your neck but never choke" -Ozzie Guillen
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jun 15, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
if the Twins sold now maybe it would be the right "business" decision
except they would alienate their fan base. Not very good for business, that.
Do you want to know the terrifying truth, or do you want to see me sock a few dingers?
by natetheskate on Jun 15, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I've never liked
the argument of “alienating the fans”
there’s only really one player on the roster (Mauer) that is untradable for his contract and his place on the team. Everyone else has a price.
What’s more alienating to the fans is losing games, we’ve traded away popular players like Santana and let guys like Hunter go. We’ve won games and fans have become attached to new players like Span, Pavano and Thome.
sure but that's not my point
we are winning right now. if the twins plan for next year, have a fire sale, and start losing again this year the fans won’t be happy.
Do you want to know the terrifying truth, or do you want to see me sock a few dingers?
by natetheskate on Jun 19, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Doesn't it make more sense to think about it in games behind?
I feel like 5-6 games back or less at the trade deadline provides enough hope that they shouldn’t be actively trading off guys that help the team—Cuddyer, Kubel, Thome, Capps in particular. If worse than that, move those guys if you can get good value (even if you’re going to resign them in the offseason) along with Slowey and Delmon (I’d have gone Slowey over Pavano, but that ship sailed long ago). They could go well under .700 between now and then and be in that range with help from the rest of the division. They shouldn’t be buying unless things go really bat-guano great.
I’m probably in the minority on this one, but I’d wait on Gibson until after he’s safe from super-2 next year to get another year of team control out of him and let Liriano, Baker, Pavano, Blackburn, Duensing, and Swarzak take care of things until then. Our starter glut will work itself out before too long, but until then, why not save our best starter prospect until we really need him?
GB doesn't matter if you're under .500
That just says some other awful team will get swept by the Yankees in the playoffs.
If we make the playoffs, even with a record in the low 80s,
we’ll have been one of the better teams in baseball over the last four months of the season. But regardless of how good I thought the team was, I’d always take a shot at the playoffs (plus the excitement of getting there) over whatever middling prospects we could get by selling two months of the Kubels, Thomes, etc.
by Luke in MN on Jun 15, 2011 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
It would be nice
If Young and Slowey had good value and garner prospects. But i dont see any FO giving up much for those guys
by clutterheart on Jun 15, 2011 1:30 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Slowey is still a valuable commodity.
Not going to bring a haul, but should get something decent. Delmon probably not unless he starts going bonkers pretty soon.
And I think the logic of those trades would be that Slowey and Delmon don’t have spots on the current team (obviously that’s more clearly the situation for Slowey than Delmon), not a sign that we have given up on the season.
Like it or not
Smith has to act soon in order to make room on the 40 for Nishi and Mauer. Whether these moves are trades or DFA’s will speak volumes about where he thinks the team is headed.
Hughes (Dusty) was outrighted to Rochester yesterday...
…so he only needs to make one more move…but that will be the tough one.
Outright Hacker
Option Dinkelman
That’s not a tough move
And of course the classice example: Kazmir
One classic example of what you’re talking about is the Mets trading Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano in 2004. The Mets had risen to 6 games back, but were not regarded as serious contenders. Their top prospect was Scott Kazmir, widely seen as a future star, which he turned out to be, until derailed by injuries. To make a run for the playoffs, they traded him for the Devil Rays’ top starter, the unthrilling Victor Zambrano. They quickly dropped back to the pack, Zambrano went 9-12 over the next year and a half, and Kazmir was the Rays’ ace for four years. The verdict on the trade was immediate, vicious, and correct. Quite an outcry. But the Mets had an interim GM who had little to lose and apparently thought making the playoffs might get him the job.
I do hope that Smith does not get seduced by false hope. This would be a great chance to clear some salary and position ourselves for the future.
Personally, I’d be happy to see them win some games, reestablish respectability, and finish the season on a high note, setting the stage for next year. The future is iffy enough without mortgaging it further for this lost season. If they go 9-2 again while Detroit goes 2-9, okay, I’m in. But the most important thing during a season like this is please, just don’t make things even worse.
There is no circumstance in which they should be buyers
If they go on the kind of tear they need to be a contender then the current players are so good that there is nobody worth buying.
by DJL44 on Jun 15, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Obviously sellers..
Detroit is too tough. Gotta be sellers if anything.. Don’t trust Mr. Smith for trades as well and should be fired.. But that’s another topic for another time.
Detroit isn't "Too Tough"...
Every team in this division has flaws, Detroit included.
by Noles Fan in ND on Jun 15, 2011 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Still not much worth selling right now.
Twins are in this weird situation where everybody has to get healthy and play well in order to have any value at the deadline. But if everybody gets healthy and plays well, there may be no need to sell.
If things keep going as they have, it’s hard to see any moves bringing back much beyond salary relief, unless they want to trade Blackburn or Liriano.
Reminds me of 2007
Only this team is better when everyone is healthy. Terry Ryan traded Castillo (who was very popular) at the end of July when the Twins were 6 games out, but the attitude was that they could still win the division. Right now I feel like the Twins will take the same approach this year by trading Pavano (replaced by Slowey, Swarzak, or Gibson), Cuddyer (replaced by Revere and Hughes as a back-up first baseman), and maybe Kubel, but still going for the division title. What I want to know is: what are the postitions that the Twins would want to get in return for these trades?

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