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Saturday Morning Breakfast & Baseball: Jose Mijares vs Joe Mauer

After the game last night there was some very interesting banter tossed back and forth between Jose Mijares and Joe Mauer, all because of what happened in the game-changing at-bat of the seventh inning. With runners on the corners, two out, and the Twins leading 3-2, Prince Fielder ripped a 3-2 fastball into the right field corner for a two-run double that would give the game its final score.

What happened in that plate appearance seemed to kick off a little controversy. Mijares, who was in to face Fielder in relief of Scott Baker, missed on his first three pitches before working the count full, but he didn't like Mauer's pitch selection:

"I don't know what's going on with Mauer," Mijares said. "He never put down a sign for breaking ball. Never. It was fastball, fastball, fastball, fastball."

Yet Mijares pumped that 3-2 fastball right down the heart of the plate.

"Called for a fastball there," Mauer said. "I didn't call for it down the middle."

This screen shot, courtesy of Parker Hageman, illustrates this point perfectly.

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More after the jump.

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In Mauer's called location, either Fielder walks, makes weak contact to induce out number three, or needs to get lucky for a hit. Missing over the middle of the plate, Mijares opened the door and invited the vampire inside. So to speak.

Why did Mauer call six consecutive fastballs? It's hard for me to say. It could be because Mauer just wanted Mijares to throw strikes early in the count, then needed him to at least try and get the out, and finally was looking to give Fielder something enticing but just off the plate. Maybe because, with the tying run on third, Mauer didn't want to chance a wild pitch or passed ball on an errant slider. After all, Mijares has had next to zero command all season, and this plate appearance was a shining example of that.

Mijares could have shaken Mauer off, but he didn't. Give him credit for trusting his catcher, but if he's going to trust his catcher then why call him out in the post-game? Trust the catcher, of course, but Mijares is a professional ballplayer, too. And he's the pitcher. If he isn't comfortable with six straight fastballs, or feels like his slider would work, then he needs to communicate that. And not in the post-game press conference.

I've seen people predicting that this would be Mijares' ticket out of Minnesota. While I generally agree with Jim Crikket in that both players need to take part of the blame for how that plate appearance with Fielder was handled, Mijares should have kept his mouth shut. But does he need to be sent down?

Strikeouts are way down while walks are through the roof. He's one of the worse relievers pitchers in baseball at stranding base runners. Line drives and quality contact are up. Velocity is down. Batters are chasing fewer pitches outside of the strike zone.

I've been a defender of Mijares here in the past. But I'm undecided on whether or not he should be sent down, although I do have a belief that Chuck James could come in and perform at least as well as Mijares (who owns a 4.15 ERA, but a 4.57 FIP and 6.08 xFIP).

But he shouldn't be sent down because he called out Mauer. It was inappropriate, and it shouldn't happen, but it's good to see that players aren't afraid to call out their teammates no matter who they are. Players always need to be free to challenge each other from time to time. It just needs to happen behind closed doors.

Now we wait. Will there be any fallout?

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[EDIT] This has already been mentioned in the comments, but it's worth pointing out. Gardy also said this, per the link above:

We damn sure don't want Prince to beat us, and he did.

If you didn't want Prince to beat you, why did you even pitch to him? There was a base open, and Casey McGehee was coming up. McGehee is hitting .230/.284/.322 this season, and is terrible against both righties and lefties.

So we ask again: why even pitch to him?

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I guess no fallout

Based on Gardy’s quote he seems to be backing Mijares:

“A leffthander’s gotta come in and hopefully spin some pitches. If you just throw fastballs — I could leave a righthander in to throw fastballs. That’s the way I look at it.”

by clutterheart on Jun 25, 2011 8:38 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

DicknBert said something about the pitch selection as well.

Then when I saw the replay, I saw the same thing the picture shows. Jose is a big boy; if he wanted a different pitch, he could’ve thrown something else. Whether it was the right pitch to throw or not, ultimately it is Jose’s decision since he’s the one doing the tossing.

He’s an emotional guy (if screaming obscenities at the top of your lungs when losing the handle on a pitch qualifies as emotional). I’m certain he’s really frustrated. That being said, he threw a thigh-high fastball on the inside half. I was just in complete shock that Fielder didn’t put it in the stands.

Bottom line is that he didn’t execute, and hasn’t for a while. My opinion is that he should be sent down. Reason one: He’s not getting it done. He needs to chill out and get it together. Reason two: Calling out a teammate (any teammate) when you’re clearly the problem is bullshit. If he had a problem, he should have talked to him in private.

That’s my take, anyways.

by fastfred on Jun 25, 2011 8:40 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Drama should stay in clubhouse

Should Mauer have been calling for fastballs? Maybe not.

Should Mijares have shaken him off? Probably.

Should Mijares have brought it up in a post game press conference? NO.

Drama like this needs to stay in the clubhouse. The Twins have enough stuff to battle through this season, they don’t need unnecessary drama being leaked to the press.

*Megz*

by Twinsbsballgirl on Jun 25, 2011 8:43 AM EDT reply actions  

Can Mijares throw a breaking ball for a strike?

Maybe Mauer kept calling for a fastball because Gardy told him Mijares can’t throw strikes with anything else.

by DJL44 on Jun 25, 2011 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gardy also said he was waiting for a breaking ball,

even on 3-2. Although I’d agree: Mijares can barely throw a strike with a fastball, how are we supposed to trust him with a slider and a runner on third?

I still think it was an obvious IBB situation.

by Jesse on Jun 25, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

How?

How would Mauer know at this point what Mijares can do, and what is working for him?

by SethSpeaks on Jun 25, 2011 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well said.

Though in the area of 13yr old Twins fans, I believe twinsgirl197 may take offense to this. :)

Your point, though, is spot on, really.

by MNWildcat on Jun 25, 2011 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was just thinking that

Seriously she would be happy overjoyed that she is older than another member of this blog.

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by Jessy S on Jun 25, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very true.

Gardy takes the brunt of the blame on this one.

by Panthers FTW on Jun 25, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

As bad as Mijares has been

He still has been better against LH batters, and my memory says Gardy doesn’t intentionally walk many hitters.

by clutterheart on Jun 25, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent Point

When Jose Mijares came into the game, my first thought was that we lost. This pitcher has no business pitching to a batter like Prince Fielder. Didn’t they activate Joe Nathan before the game? If so, if you must use your bullpen to pitch to a player like Fielder, I would have brought in Joe Nathan. This was a high leverage situation and since he was available, I would have used him. Glen Perkins can pitch the 8th and Matt Capps the 9th for the save. The picture that Jesse posted tells the story and it is clear that Joe Mauer wanted it toward the outside, Mijares threw it down the middle, but Nathan woudn’t have been in this position. Fielder could have grounded into a force-out to end the inning.

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by Jessy S on Jun 25, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, the picture shows the contrast between where the pitch crosses the front plane of the plate and where Mauer’s glove is, at an angle no less. What’s the story?

by Salty on Jun 25, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have a point

the picture makes the pitch look way further in than it was. However, it was still left up and caught far too much of the plate.

by archie2227 on Jun 26, 2011 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

ack!

nevermind. The pitch is inside. Stupid umpire view messing with my brain again. No more posting after 10 hour shifts. That’s a terrible pitch.

by archie2227 on Jun 26, 2011 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

FWIW, FIelder has been taking outside pitches oppo pretty well this year, so I don’t think he’d have to get lucky to get a hit – that is if the pitch was reachable.

by Salty on Jun 25, 2011 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

If it was reachable, Fielder would have grounded into a force out.

That was likely Gardy’s plan all along and Mauer was following his instructions, Mijares has not following along and cost the Twins the game.

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by Jessy S on Jun 25, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where's Anthony?

Seriously, we keep trotting out these guys out of the bullpen, and none of them can get the job done. Slama who’se got CONTROL is wasting away again in Rochesterville, waiting for his call to the show.

SLAMA TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE

by squirtr on Jun 25, 2011 9:46 AM EDT reply actions  

Chuck James

I’d say Chuck James is better right now than Mijares or Dumatrait but they’re playing roster management right now to avoid losing Dumatrait.

by DJL44 on Jun 25, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

In that situation

you’d go with a lefty, not a righty. Though I agree, I was little confused when Slama was sent down. But perhaps James or Dumatrait is going to be the answer here soon.

by MNWildcat on Jun 25, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pitch around him

I can see pitching to him because you don’t want to automatically push the tying run into scoring position. Unfortunately mijares doesn’t have the command to pitch delicately to someone like fielder

by matswilander on Jun 25, 2011 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah I dont get it.

I don’t care who’s actually to blame- there’s plenty to go around. But you don’t call out another player in the post game. You just don’t.

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by John Veldhuis on Jun 25, 2011 10:20 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Wasn't Mauer supposed to be this great pitch caller?

That’s what Ivan Rodriguez used to do with men on base . . . just put down “1” every friggin’ time. “Duds” for Mauer, Mijares, and Gardy on this . . . oh, wait, I forgot all the hitters who managed one run off Randy “89 MPH” Wolf.

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Jun 25, 2011 11:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Look at the picture of the pitch in question

Joe Mauer called for a pitch to the outside, but Mijares threw it right down the middle.

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by Jessy S on Jun 25, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Grow a pair

Mijares needs to grow a pair and stop whining like a 3 year old and take responsibility for his crappy pitching rather than blaming others. His control is non-existent this year. Maybe if he hadn’t started off 3-0, Joe would have called other pitches. Who knows, but I agree with everyone else, this should have been handled in the clubhouse, not in the media.

by puddles87 on Jun 25, 2011 11:55 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

I have a complaint.

There's so much biased journalism in the photography.

We see Mauer doing something heroic, then Mijares doing something wrong. Way to take sides like that, Jesse. Couldn’t you have shown Mijares being a hero, like when he downed the Monster Bacon Cheeseburger of Al’s Bar in Mankato, MN, in under :45?

Jeez.

by MNWildcat on Jun 25, 2011 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd post that.

I’d love to have that video.

by Jesse on Jun 25, 2011 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

(not real, sorry)

just picked an MN city and a generic bar name.

If you do want a good burger, I’ve had a couple friends who go there rave about Guenther’s Cafe. But I don’t know much else about it.

by MNWildcat on Jun 25, 2011 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously

I was thinking that Mijares was somewhat overweight. Seriously, If you do want a Monster Bacon Cheeseburger, go to Hardees. BTW, I don’t eat sandwiches with a lot of bacon, and other stuff. They are designed to induce heart attacks.

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by Jessy S on Jun 25, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do eat fast food,

But I am smart to know that much of the new stuff that resturants put out, may lead to health problems sooner rather than later.

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by Jessy S on Jun 25, 2011 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its not Mauer's Fault

His timing and batting eye is so bad right now he thought Mijares was throwing 97 mph.

give him time

by clutterheart on Jun 25, 2011 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Mauer helped Mijares get back into the full-count situation in the first place by calling those fastballs

and all he needed Mijares to do was to pitch right where his glove was at, and he missed it…plain and simple.

Should he have pitched to him in the first place? Who knows, but it most definitely wasn’t Mauer’s fault.

I'm still a Minnesotan at heart...

by urluckyday on Jun 25, 2011 1:48 PM EDT reply actions  

I would say no

But I understand that Gardy was going for the forceout at second and he had a better choice in the bullpen in Joe Nathan.

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by Jessy S on Jun 25, 2011 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was at the game and was baffled that we took out Baker.

Baker is a great pitcher. Let him work out of trouble. He wasn’t walking on fumes. If your going to pitch to prince, forget matchups and splits and just keep out your best pitcher.

by Coolio12 on Jun 25, 2011 3:41 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Yeah,

Does Gardy have something on the Twins losing games this year? Mijares should have never made the team out of spring training. We know what he can do from last season.

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by Jessy S on Jun 25, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

He pitched OK last year

Not lights out or anything after the closer and primary setup man, bullpens are often a bit sketchy.

That’s the problem with mediocre relievers. Trouble is knowing whether the rough patch is temporary or if he’s just cooked and then finding someone better.

by DavidRF on Jun 25, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

The solution is simple.....

Don’t let the bullpen pitch………and have Cuddyer bat in all 9 batting slots.

by Sixmark on Jun 26, 2011 12:55 AM EDT reply actions  

why

so he can chase down and away even more?

by tuckingfenpin on Jun 26, 2011 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah....

that obviously seems to be a huge problem for a man that is actually carrying a decent batting average, getting on base, and driving in runs.

by Sixmark on Jun 26, 2011 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

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