Saturday Morning Breakfast & Baseball: Lamenting the Matt Capps Situation
When the Twins brought back Matt Capps on a one-year deal back in January, I tried to wax philosophical about it and pointed out that while his salary was pretty high, there were also a number of advantages in going to a one-year deal with an in-house guy. Well, that's the problem with philosphy. Because going back and reading it, I still agree with everything I said. In theory.
In practice, well...it hasn't turned out quite so rosy. Capps has been, arguably, baseball's worst closer this season, and that gets tougher to stomach when you consider that Twins fans are used to having one of the best in the business locking things down. From 2004 - 2009, Mariano Rivera was the only closer in baseball who might have been better than Joe Nathan. And if he was better, it wasn't by much.
Ron Gardenhire rightly pointed out that the loss doesn't just sit on Capps' shoulders, it sits on the shoulders of the whole team. Namely, the offense.
"We scored one run tonight. In defense of [Capps], we scored one run, we had plenty of opportunities to score more runs," said Twins manager Ron Gardenhire. "Everything gets thrown on the closer. Sure, he gave it up at the end, but a lot of people misfired, too."
Again, philosophically I agree with Gardy here. Wins and losses, even when one or two players really stand out, still belong to the whole team. When you're down by three with two outs in the bottom of the ninth and some injury replacement kid from triple-A smashes a grand slam for the win, it's a great story but the homer wouldn't have mattered without the runners on base. In a complete game shutout the pitcher will get all the credit, but I guarantee you the defense made at least a couple of nice plays behind him.
In reality, however, philosophy sometimes breaks down. One game is just one game, yet eventually you need to look at how many times you've shrugged off "just one game". Baseball is a marathon not a sprint, but that doesn't mean you don't tactically re-examine yourself from time to time. Ultimately, the Twins did have the lead and, once again, it was Capps' job to maintain that lead. And, once again, Capps wasn't able to do that. How many more times does he need to blow a lead before changes are made?
To be fair to Gardy, part of his job is player and ego and psychological management. Capps has been obliterated by local media, and Gardy himself has made a few ambiguous comments in the past. It certainly doesn't change the fact that Capps probably shouldn't be the Twins closer anymore, but sometimes the manager will choose to say things to the media that he isn't thinking and won't be saying behind closed doors.
The most lamented closer in Twins history is Ron Davis. There are bound to be some comparisons. Davis wasn't a terrible pitcher, but with the focus of the closer role upon him his weaknesses were magnified. A penchant for home runs as well as avoiding a great number of hits; a tendency to pick up a lot of strikeouts as well as too many walks; saving most of his games but memorably blowing some, too.
Going into his 1986 season, Davis had converted 83% of his save opportunities. Not great, but for a struggling Twins team he'd totalled 106 saves from '82 - '85. And certainly better than Capps' save percentage this season (68%). Davis' reputation caught up to him in '86, as after successfully recording good saves in his first two games of the season he wouldn't record another one all year. He blew late leads on April 20th and 26th, and let a close game get out of hand against the Yankees on the 29th. The Bombers again extended a small lead against him on May 13th, then blew games on the 16th, 19th and 27th. On the 28th he let a three-run deficit turn into a seven-run deficit. His ERA had ballooned to over 10, and he'd eventually earn himself a trade to the Cubs.
Capps hasn't been '86 David bad. But he has been less reliable this year than Davis was from '82 - '85, and that's saying that Davis wasn't entirely reliable in that period. Capps deserves to lose his job.
I'm torn on who should close between Joe Nathan and Glen Perkins. Honestly, it doesn't bother me because I think both of them could do it. And I should be clear: it's not about having "A Closer", it's about having a pitcher you feel you can trust with the game on the line. Perkins is that guy, to me. But Nathan has the experience, and he's looked much closer to the closer (see what I did there?) we used to know. Maybe Gardy can mix-n-match until he gets comfortable with one of them.
One of the phrases in life I sometimes question is: "Life is to short to [fill in the blank]." Because while I understand the sentiment of needing to take advantage of life as it's presented to you, I also think life is just too long to be miserable. Maybe both are true. Life is too short to waste time, and it's too long to subject yourself to pain you don't need.
The baseball season is both too short and too long to keep Capps as closer. So right now both of those phrases are true for the Twins as well. (That is, if you buy into philosphy.)
Bonus reading: Due Diligence on Joel Hanrahan
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Why Gardy has Capps' back
“I’m battling my tail off,” Capps said.
’Nuff said.
by AM. on Jul 16, 2011 6:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
The stupidity of "the save"
Ok, not enough said. If it weren’t the 9th inning, but earlier, Gardy would almost certainly have brought in a lefty against Hosmer to maximize the matchbox. But because it’s a save situation, Gardy leaves Capps in, when there was a clearly better matchup in the pen. Gardy did well last week to bring in Perk to face Fielder and Dunn in key save situations, but failed last night with Hosmer…who I will repeat, has 9 homers against righties and zero against lefties.
We all now know why the Pirates non-tendered Capps two years ago. What a frickin disaster.
And to think, we could be 5 back of Detroit right now…
by AM. on Jul 16, 2011 7:00 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Another issue
could be that the FO doesn’t want Perkins getting saves. Saves will push his salary up for next season.
They better not be thinking like that,
we need to win games. They better be worried about keeping the ballpark full of patrons.
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!!!
It's a bad sign anytime someone brings up Ron Davis
All I know is Nick freaking Blackburn made it through the Royals lineup 2+ times and Capps couldn’t make it half an inning. His location is terrible – too many ‘country’ fastballs with way too much of the plate. I have been having “LaTroy Hawkins the closer” flashbacks.
And the Manager that let the Ron Davis in 1986 Situation get bad
Was Ray Miller. Ron likely had six to 10 blown saves in a row and might have been the cause of the Twins missing the playoffs in 1984.
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"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
It's not just terrible management to keep him in the closer role, it's terrible EGO management too.
The fact that Capps is the closer is the reason he’s being booed. It’s the reason he’s facing tough lefties with the game on the line. It’s the reason he’s being forced to work out his obvious pitching difficulties in the highest-possible pressure situations. What a confidence boost!
The bright side is that hopefully the Twins get over the idea that if someone has closed they’re somehow a sure thing worth big buckets of money (and prospects). Relievers are almost always liable to blow up on you, and should be paid accordingly.
As I said in another Post
I believe Gardy is (incorrectly) leaving the decision to relinquish the closer title to Capps. Eventually (hopefully now) Capps will screw up enough Gardy will remove Capps without letting him step down.
Nathan did it, and at the time, it was perfect for everyone involved. It was a sign to the fans that Nathan recognized he was struggling and needed some more time to recover and let Gardy go with his other closing options.
Free Rick. I mean, Chuck James!
No, I didn't spell Maurer wrong. But I do get asked if I'm related to Joe a lot.
by Maurer Power on Jul 16, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
The decline of a franchise.
Matt Capps is Elizabeth Lochley, Stosh Piznarski, Gus Haynes. That new annoying character that marks the end of a promising, maybe even epic franchise. They’ve been good before, surely they can get through having one guy you can’t stand. But it isn’t just the one guy. Someone chose to have that character. Someone thought that was a good idea. Someone still needs to justify to themselves that it was a good idea.
The Twins have found their Jar-Jar Binks, their Good ol’ Gil, their infinite progression of Duncan Idahos. We can delude ourselves that they will come back, that it’s just a bump in the road, but the truth is it’s never a bump in the road. Whatever it was that they did right, they can’t do it anymore. Maybe they never knew what they were doing right in the first place. But we can be sure that they’ll never find it again.
It’s time for us to face the inevitable conclusion: Matt Capps is The Great Gazoo.
by timprov on Jul 16, 2011 10:04 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You forgot Scrappy Doo
There has never been a television character I have hated more than Scrappy Doo.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
But Scrappy was hated because he was brave unlike his father Scooby.
Also the following is true:
The Great Gazoo actually added something to The Flintstones. One memorable episode found the Flintstones in the modern age with tragic events for Fred.
I find good old Gil to be enduring to The Simpsons The reason for that is because Gil is a minor character created for laughs since he was always unlucky.
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"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
+20
I hated that damn dog
The beard abides.
by Jason Kubel's Beard on Jul 16, 2011 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Scrappy Doo is a puppy.
You don’t hate puppies. Besides that is the difference between Scooby and Scrappy. Scooby is afraid because his life experiences tell him to be afraid. Scrappy never had those life experiences so he is more daring and brave.
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"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
This.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"God grab your neck but never choke" -Ozzie Guillen
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jul 16, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
...or Wesley Crusher
The last few Star Trek series were progressively more painful, but nothing elicited more agony than enduring the sight of Wesley Crusher’s painful progression from perky adolescence to sexually ambiguous adulthood. Scott Bakula as a star ship captain runs a close second in that race downward.
Sorry, but Matt Capps doesn’t make me sad. He’s a relief pitcher struggling with an arm that is either tired or injured, and he has yet to realize what Jesse Crain finally figured out, that he’s got to avoid throwing his arrow-straight fastball and stick to curves and sliders. Capps needs to figure this out right away, because his fastball is nothing but fresh meat right now, a poorly aimed meatball going 90 to 91mph, with too many visits to the middle of the strike zone.
Whether it’s an injury or not, Capps should be sent down to Rochester to figure it out, not make the team suffer any more last-second defeats after fighting so hard for a one-run lead into the ninth. Bring up Slama, James and Gutierrez. Send down Capps, Dumatrait and Mijares.
Rauch was pitching much better than this in 2010 when we went out to get Capps because Rauch wasn't consistent
No matter if it’s a trade or we fill from within, we need Capps out of the closer role. Put Nathan in as closer, give Capps a lower leverage role.
"Nobody wants to hear me rap." - Joe Mauer
"METEOR" - JIM THOME
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Jul 16, 2011 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Excellent point.
Also, we already have a “proven closer” on the roster who has been pretty lights-out over the past 3½ weeks since coming off the DL.
"If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason." -Jack Handy
I wish Nathan was the closer again too
But I think Gardy is leaving it up to him to say, “I’m ready.”
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"God grab your neck but never choke" -Ozzie Guillen
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jul 16, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Serious question: Ubaldo?
If you have too many average-ish starters, the way to solve that problem is by “chipping up.”. Could the Twins put together a decent package for Ubaldo Jimenez? Just thinking out loud here, but the Rockies have expressed interest in Slowey. How about this for a proposed deal:
Slowey, Brian Duensing, Ben Revere and Liam Hendriks for Ubaldo. Would that be enough?
Or how about Slowey, Blackburn, and Hicks? Would you do it, and would it be enough?
Slowey-Hendriks-Arcia-DY?
I am not sure what is realistic, but this would be a huge move and would be good long-term, since Ubaldo is controlled through 2013.
Could we get him without giving up Liriano or Gibson?
by AM. on Jul 16, 2011 11:43 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
No.
Why give up MORE of an already-depleted farm system for a temporary fix who can only throw once every five games when we’re out 7? Just no.
agreed... we may not be sellers, but we sure as heck aren't buyers
There’s a lot of cheap moves we could make that I’d support (and I’d wonder why they hadn’t happened already) but you don’t bet the future on the 2011 Twins. That doesn’t make any sense.
No Way
This is worse than anything I could propose.
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by Jessy S on Jul 16, 2011 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Well...
let’s not get crazy or anything here.
by MNWildcat on Jul 16, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Crazy
Brian Duensing, Ben Revere, and Liam Hendriks are off limits in my case. The only place I want Hendriks in the near future is in the Minnesota Twins rotation replacing Francisco Liriano. For all I care Brian Dunesing can choose his spot on the team, and Ben Revere is a GIF’s lover’s dream based on what happened last night. More GIF’s of him in action better occur in a Twins uniform.
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"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
Ha!
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"God grab your neck but never choke" -Ozzie Guillen
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jul 16, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
It looks like Capps is tipping his cap
for giving up the game losing HR
Don't call it a come back! We've been winning for years!
One more comment
Shouldn’t the Twins be trying to find the best role for players? Perkins is doing better out if the pen than he ever did in the rotation. Duensing has done ok in the rotation, but really excelled in the pen. And right now, they could use help in their pen, as we have noticed. Slowey has not done well in the pen, but has done well and has potential to do very well in the rotation.
Why can’t they move Duensing to the pen and give Slowey another shot?
by AM. on Jul 16, 2011 12:05 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Slowey
I have a feeling that he will be back in the rotation before the end of the year. The twins rotation that is. I hope it won’t be for Baker’s sore arm but perhaps the exact circumstances you mentioned. Let Duensing get back to where he was deadly.
Not my opinion of what should happen. Just a hunch.
Either way, please let Capps deal with his stuff as a reliever and not as the closer.
MPR, Lefsa, Grumpier Old Men and Joe Mauer! Top that.
by By Allen's Mullet on Jul 16, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Twins had a lock-down closer like the old Joe Nathan
That had converted all saves this year. Merely looking at the 5 losses taken by Matt Capps, they would be 47-44. A game out of first.
"We’re all in this boat together. Everybody grab an oar."
-Tom Kelly
OK Joe Nathan has a career 89% Save Percentage
(15 converted saves + 5 blown saves by Capps + 3 Saves by Joe Nathan + 1 Blown Save Loss by Joe Nathan + 2 Saves by Perkins) = 26 save opportunities
(26*89% Nathan’s Save Percentage)=23 Saves Converted
This is three more games in the Win column, three less in the loss. Putting the Twins at 45-46. Putting the Twins 4 games back. The same distance back they were last year at this time. In far better striking distance for the division.
I may be missing a couple of save opportunities here granted, but I’ve included the blown save losses and recorded saves
"We’re all in this boat together. Everybody grab an oar."
-Tom Kelly
Fine.
We can sit here and play “what if” then, based on his career numbers, not those numbers that were him coming after elbow surgery. I think a more positive discussion would be that devoted to “where do we go from here?”
Isn't "what if" half the fun about Baseball?
And a positive discussion of where to go will probably involve some what ifs. Weren’t there lots of “what ifs” after the we ended up playing the Yankees last year in the play offs when if we had gotten the Rangers a different outcome may have been expected? Its just interesting to look at numbers and see what might have been. Gardy even says sometimes he looks at numbers, obviously not in a close out situation like last night, but he does do it sometimes.
"We’re all in this boat together. Everybody grab an oar."
-Tom Kelly
But there aren't a wealth of numbers, as your stats show...
…because Nathan’s numbers are all (with about 4 exceptions) pre-surgery. So you’re playing “what if” with faulty data.
So therefore, what if Nathan hadn’t hurt his arm and the Twins wouldn’t have needed another year of Capps? That’s $7MM… We could’ve kept Hardy, thus not needing Nishioka, freeing up $X million, then changing out infield thus but losing these stats from Nishioka…
Fuck it. My head hurts.
Hmm go back to the original statement
I said “if” we had a closer like the OLD Joe Nathan. I know none of this can change. And its all hopes and dreams and crap, but as a numbers guy its just interesting to examine, analyze, and be curious about things. I apologize for offending you with mathematics.
"We’re all in this boat together. Everybody grab an oar."
-Tom Kelly
And in his last 7.2 innings pitched
Joe Nathan was pretty much his old self. Matt Capps turing the closer role over to Nathan is pretty much what is keeping us from getting another closer. Matt knows that he will become just another pitcher while Glen Perkins becomes the set-up man.
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"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
It's not the mathematics...
…it’s the reasoning. Seriously, it’s nice to wish we could have a Joe Nathan-esque closer, but there is better use of mathematics, especially closers we could’ve signed, Nathan’s numbers post-surgery, or Perkins’ numbers, if you really wanted to play the “what if” game.
Also I'll leave Gardy and Smith to have the positive discussions of where to go.
I, nor you, have any control of that. I am merely a fan, and what ifs are what fans think about. Unless, that is MNWildcat, you are Bill Smith trolling Twinkie Town for Trade Ideas.
"We’re all in this boat together. Everybody grab an oar."
-Tom Kelly
And I prefer to think of "what ifs" in a future sense.
What if we continue with Capps as the closer? Could two more games like that be the difference in the division? What if Nathan takes the reins again? What if we go with a duo?
Projection, especially when we’re trying to make up ground, just makes more sense to my mind. Why not, as a mathematics man, extend those projections to a future run? I’d love to read those numbers.
/bows to Terry Ryan
//puts MNWildcat mask back on
///continues trolling
Haha ok Billy
I’ll take a look at that if I have some time this weekend to crunch some numbers. Although I left my TI-89 on my desk at work.
"We’re all in this boat together. Everybody grab an oar."
-Tom Kelly
Is that a euphemism, Bill, for looking at other closers besides Matt Capps?
"We’re all in this boat together. Everybody grab an oar."
-Tom Kelly
What do you think?
Of course we need another closer.
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"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
That is likely what it will take to Sign Heath Bell.
Maybe Three years at $18 million total.
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And the What ifs will state that it is time to dump Matt Capps
The best thing for Matt to do came last night and that was to convert a 1-0 lead into a win. He was one out away from doing so.
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And to trade him
along with a couple other players, for some Phillies reliever or Padres starter or something, right?
You got it.
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Looks like we got this figured now.
Except how about a Phillie’s Starter and a Padre’s Reliever? :)
"We’re all in this boat together. Everybody grab an oar."
-Tom Kelly
No
We need Kerry Wood from the Cubs and Matt Cain from the Giants.
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It was a joke
Philadelphia will never give up a starter, but maybe we can swing a postseason trade of Francisco Liranio to Philadelphia.
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Hey Hey Hey! Stop it.
No funny business, no jokes – only serious discussions here on Twinkie Town, driven by magic Sabermetrics, BABIP, VORP, and UZR.
"We’re all in this boat together. Everybody grab an oar."
-Tom Kelly
Hey
You are the one that wanted a member of the Phillies rotation. We will have to pay through the nose for Cliff Lee or Roy Holliday.
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I guess I didn't use the Sarcasm box
It was meant to be a joke.
"We’re all in this boat together. Everybody grab an oar."
-Tom Kelly
Live and Learn
I didn’t use the same box.
Anyway, I have to get going. We can continue to strangle Matt Capps in tonight’s game thread.
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It's tough to assume it's a joke
when most of your other posts are at/around that usual level of inanity.
I think we need Brian Wilson from the Giants.
I know it will never ever happen, but watching twinsgirl197 struggle with that would be too much fun.
"We’re all in this boat together. Everybody grab an oar."
-Tom Kelly
I think this conversation has turned unproductive
MNWildcat Bill Smith is going to get frustrated again. :) :)
"We’re all in this boat together. Everybody grab an oar."
-Tom Kelly
He Already is
I suggested we trade for Kerry Wood and Matt Cain above though it was meant as a joke.
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The guy has a killer slide in from the bullpen that would clearly warrant $6M/year
Especially if Nick Punto was worth $4M/year last year for that head first slide into 1B.
"We’re all in this boat together. Everybody grab an oar."
-Tom Kelly
Besides that
I think the Twins can afford to spend a total of $19 Million for three years on Heath Bell with one million going to declining Joe Nathan’s 2012 option.
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He said "merely looking at the 5 losses taken by Matt Capps"
Capps has also blown other games this year and ending up with a win or ND
Don't get me wrong here.
I’m not happy with Capps. But Joe’s been injured, and Capps was, for a time, really the only arm in the bullpen that could be going out there and taking a run at games in pressure situations. He shouldn’t have had to go for 4- or 5-out saves, but he did it because he’s been a team player and wants the ball for this organization. When Perkins and Nathan were hurt, Capps did all that was asked of him to the best of his abilities.
We don’t need to cast this guy off to Elba (fuck, that didn’t work), St. Helena (anyone got some arsenic?) Rochester, but perhaps use him like Joe Nathan was used after his early season demotion. Maybe closer is a situational, Nathan-Perkins tandem role until one of them lands the job permanently.
I understand it’s fun to be livid about Capps and want to FIRE GARY! today, but stop to acknowledge what he’s done for this organization and find a LOGICAL solution to the situation.
by MNWildcat on Jul 16, 2011 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I don't see anybody mentioning FIRE GARY! here but you.
Hell I love Gardy. He’s an amazing manager.
"We’re all in this boat together. Everybody grab an oar."
-Tom Kelly
Matt needs to be traded or sent down to Rochester. Maybe he will do better in a new home, but not inside Target Field.
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"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
Gardenhire is wrong
The “We only scored 1 run” argument doesn’t wash.
Capps is a closer. He is there to finish up close games. It doesn’t matter if the score was 1-0 or 20-19. Capps is the guy. The team scoring 1 run is irrelevant, and if they had scored more Capps wouldn’t have been in the game!
Well, we did only score one run .....
BUT the job of the closer is nail down the win & Capps didn’t do it.
Box score tells me Capps allowed 2 hits & a walk in the 9th …. a closer just cannot make a habit of doing that kind of thing.
He's just not closer material
Look at all the pitchers in MLB with 10 or more saves.
Lowest K/9… Matt Capps 4.8. Next is Naftali Feliz 6.0… most are much higher.
Highest HR/9… Matt Capps 1.6. Next is Huston Street 1.5 who pitches in Coors. More than have are below 1.0.
And this isn’t an out of the ordinary season for Capps. Look at 2009, just one year before we acquired him. He was worse.
I would like to believe
that what Gardenhire says to the media is for, as Jesse puts it, ego management. Behind closed doors, I hope he realizes that Capps really is struggling and it’s not just this one game. Meanwhile, Nathan is returning to form and Perkins has been lights out — this can’t have escaped Gardy’s notice.
I would like to believe that Gardenhire is a smart guy.
by ColossusOfRhode on Jul 16, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Move Capps' blown saves into the win column
and we’re tied for 1st place
1st place, Capps.
The beard abides.
by Jason Kubel's Beard on Jul 16, 2011 1:14 PM EDT reply actions
we did win one of those games
… but that’s still an amazing thing to think about.
We’d be in great shape if we could have stolen a few extra wins during those losing streaks in May as well. It was like we were giving away games every day back then.
True
We had quite a bunch of three game winning streaks in the process.
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"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
Whoa where is MNWildcat now
See my above post. Said the exact same thing and got berated for it.
"We’re all in this boat together. Everybody grab an oar."
-Tom Kelly
Not that I'm defending Capps
But you could probably make the same argument by looking at the number of times we’ve stranded a runner in scoring position with less than two outs in a one run game. (See: Ben Revere’s somersault triple.)
That’s probably part of MNWildcat’s point — I can look at all sorts of things that might have changed the past, but because we can’t change it now, we might as well look at the future.
The problem is, we don’t have stats on the future games, so only way to analyze is to look at past performance. And then bottom line is, if we have a lights out closer like Nathan in his prime instead of a guy who’s done so poorly we’ve nicknamed him after excrement, we will win more games.
by ColossusOfRhode on Jul 16, 2011 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I understand the point.
The problem is stranding runners is a problem of at least 9 players. Blowing Saves, via Homerun especially, is the problem of one player.
You could make points all over the place. All it was originally intended as was an interesting observation which was berated as not being in depth enough of an analysis. I fully understood, as I am sure Jason Kubel’s Beard does, that that stat doesn’t tell the full story of how the season has went nor how things played out at the time. WIMC is an easy target for Twins Fans this season as a well deserved punching bag for our frustrations.
"We’re all in this boat together. Everybody grab an oar."
-Tom Kelly
I totally agree with you
I was just trying to make the counter point clearer. But see my last paragraph for my ultimate opinion.
by ColossusOfRhode on Jul 16, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Heath Bell vs Matt Capps
Heath Bell: 2-3 with 2.61 ERA, 26 Saves on 32 hits, 13 runs, 11 earned runs, 1 HR, 13 walks, 1 intentional, and 28 Strikeouts.
Matt Capps: 2-5 with a 4.76 ERA, 15 Saves, on 40 hits 21 runs (all earned), 7 HR’s, 6 Walks, and 21 Strikeouts.
The above was reposted from the Game recap thread. Clearly Matt Capps will have to give up his current pitching role or Heath Bell will be a member of the Minnesota Twins.
I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
But if you read between the lines
Gardy is hopping mad at Matt Capps right now.
I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
I almost hate to ask
What in-between lines are you reading? I don’t sense that at all.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"God grab your neck but never choke" -Ozzie Guillen
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jul 16, 2011 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
In defense of Capps
He tossed me a ball during batting practice once. Ergo, he’s probably a nice guy.
I’m sure that at this point, he knows how poorly he’s doing. Since Gardy seems unable to pull the trigger, it would be nice if Capps pulled a reverse Nathan and offered to step down and give Joe his spot back.
by ColossusOfRhode on Jul 16, 2011 2:26 PM EDT reply actions
I have no doubt everybody on the team is probably a nice guy
Otherwise I am sure Gardy would have shipped him off already. Attitudes don’t last long in the Twin’s clubhouse.
"We’re all in this boat together. Everybody grab an oar."
-Tom Kelly
Being a nice guy != Being a good closer
Of this I am aware.
by ColossusOfRhode on Jul 16, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Also Wiki was reversed like an hour after the game
bummer that people kept adding on to it
"We’re all in this boat together. Everybody grab an oar."
-Tom Kelly
Yeah, I saw DavidRF's comment last night
98 minutes.
You’ve gotta be subtle if you want to punk wikipedia. See here.
by ColossusOfRhode on Jul 16, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
Best post you’ve writen, lately. I completely agree with the large majority of what you wrote. Esp. the capps has to go and the idea of giving Perk and Nathan situational opportunities to close.
hopefully we are getting closer to having a real closer.
The single best thing - easily, at no cost - would be...
for the organization and its red-faced field general to finally do something FIRST in baseball and acknowledge that the notion of the closer role is flawed; that having a single player accumulate the great preponderance of your team’s saves is irrelevant to playing winning baseball. This will never happen, of course: the Twins have a sad track record of being among the league leaders in Save Fetishization, which is why they gave away a guy who looks like he could easily post 20 WAR (if not a lot more if he continues to develop) while under team control for a year and a half of Matt Capps and his fat frigging face.
That said, Nathan’s stuff looks lots better lately, and combined with the horrible awfulness that is the idea of the Twins being buyers at this point, particularly for a Closer™, they really shouldn’t look outside the org.
But I kind of think it doesn’t matter since I doubt the Twins chances to take the Central, and believe in any case that the gap between them and the Yanquis is wide enough that the usual truism about the playoffs and crapshoots may be less applicable than it’s been in the past. They’ll probably figure out they aren’t contenders just in time for the market for Cuddyer to have dried up (probably at least partially as a result of him not sustaining the hitting numbers he’s posted over the last two months). Hopefully I’m wrong.
Too bad nobody could guess that Capps was not elite and that trading Ramos to get him was a terrible idea.
BTW: LET’S GO BUCS!
clearly they should have listened to you
and DFA’d Cuddyer and not traded for Capps
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"METEOR" - JIM THOME
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Jul 16, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Zing!
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"God grab your neck but never choke" -Ozzie Guillen
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jul 16, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Please find where I ever said...
“the Twins should DFA Cuddyer.” I am begging you.
For the record: I asked whether (and stated my doubts as to whether) the Twins would ever cut bait on Cuddyer given a performance level similar to or declining from last years’ barely above replacement level play (which I believed was a reasonable possibility given his age) and the presence of a position player worthy of promotion in AAA. This was taken to read: “The Twins should DFA Michael Cuddyer.”
I happily acknowledge that Cuddyer has had a tremendous bounce back year at the plate thus far, fueled by a massive ISO surge in June and July mirroring tremendously improved strike zone control and a post-April BABIP of dubious sustainability.
All the good stuff has come at the hands of LHP, while he’s been WORSE THAN LEAGUE AVERAGE against RHP. The bottom line production, though, should be a great thing for the future of the franchise, but now we learn they will not trade him no matter what happens in the upcoming series against divisional opponents (I am not holding my breath, btw) while his value is higher than the, um, “happiest” possible dream his fans could have possibly had. Well, maybe I underestimate their hope eternal, but still…
by tobynotjason on Jul 18, 2011 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey everybody the Cardinals are looking for starting pitching apparently
They have an infielder that can play all around the diamond who is very good defensively, has played only 36 games due to an injury he appears to be recovered from, has a slash line of .267/.343/.389, plus he comes very cheap………..
"We’re all in this boat together. Everybody grab an oar."
-Tom Kelly
Unrelated: How did Plouffe fare in RF last night?
According to the strib he gets to play there again tonight and Mauer will be DHing.
by twinscrazy_german on Jul 16, 2011 4:55 PM EDT reply actions
He did fine
Gardy put in Repko at the end which saved Matt Capps from blowing the save one batter earlier.
"We’re all in this boat together. Everybody grab an oar."
-Tom Kelly
by Go Twins! on Jul 16, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

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