ANGRY FAN IS ANGRY ABOUT MAUER!!!
Last night Mauer went 3-4 but NO HRS!!!! SINGLES POWER MAUER RRAAAAUUUGH!!!
THEN I was driving and I SAW MAUER'S OVERPAID FACE on a billboard AND I WAS PULLED OVER FOR SPEEDING!!ARIUSDHAUHG! PAY MY TICKET MAUER I WOULD NOT HAVE IT IF YOU WERE NOT TAKING OUR MONEY AND MAKING US WORSE!!! AAASGDDGFG!
TALL DARK AND LAZY NOT WHOLESOME HGUJBHSVBF!!!
THEN money man was at the plate in the 5th with 2 runners on and I said TIME to show why you are paid 23 MILLION Mauer!!! And he HIT A GROUNDER THAT WENT THROUGH PRINCE FIELDER'S LEGS! AARIAHGUSFJ!!! NOT A HOME RUN!!! NUFSADHGUH!!!
THEN I couldn't take it anymore and I went outside and IT WAS RAINING AND I GOT WET GOIHWYEGF!!! I would NOT have been outside if I wasn't mad that MAUER IS PAID 23 MILLION!! EDHSUibfb!!! MAN UP BILATERAL LEG WEAKNESS UUHDDFGGGGGGG!!!
THEN Jesse said we should not attack JOE because he has NOT BEEN AT BAT ENOUGH!!! THAT's OPINION, NOT NEWS!!! AAARHRHG!!!
ANGRY FAN IS ANGRY!!!
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MAUER'S JUST USING UP BRIAN DINKELMAN'S SPOT ON THE 40-MAN ROSTER!!!
GGWEGE3GWRHG
"It happened in the moment, and it happened." - Carlos Gomez
MAUER NO HIT AN HOME RUN!!!!
HRRGHHHRRRRRAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Roberto Luongo + Game 7 Stanley Cup Final= LOLFAIL
Grrr and when Mauer uses head and shoulders
he gets women to flock to him and spend the night in his chinchilla fur and diamond encrusted hammock while when I use it I only get slightly cleaner hair!!!! INJUSTICE!!!!
Free Carlos Guiterrez! Free Chuck James!, Free Anthony Slama!
MAUER NO PLAY FIRST BASE!!!!
DOESN’T WANT TO LEARN A FOREIGN POSITION IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON!!! GGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Roberto Luongo + Game 7 Stanley Cup Final= LOLFAIL
Not wanting to switch positions immediately is justifiable.
Not wanting to attempt PRACTICING fielding grounders, isn’t.
bobpuller lives.
He was practicing grounders
I saw a picture of it
I saw a picture of him practicing grounders too
It felt all awkward like when you put your shoes on the wrong feet.
"It happened in the moment, and it happened." - Carlos Gomez
HE TOLD MAT CAPS TOO PICH BAD TO!!!!!!!!!!
ITS HIS FALT I HAVE to nail FUGNESS NOW!!!!!!! LOOSER!!!!!!! DWHDDJHFCEQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"God grab your neck but never choke" -Ozzie Guillen
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jul 2, 2011 10:53 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Also Mijares a week ago, aparrently.
Seriously, how do you blame your catcher for calling the pitch you left over the middle of the plate (and could have shaken off)?
"If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason." -Jack Handy
A catcher's pitch selection actually can have a huge impact on the game
and on a pitcher’s success. Look how the string of dominant starting pitching ended immediately after Mauer came back.
There is no sabermetrics to measure effective game calling, it must not matter
bobpuller lives.
Good point bobeffingpuller!
Clearly Mauer messed up Jose “El Presidente” Mijares by calling for fastballs down the middle and told Matt “Three Strikes You’re Out” Kapps to give up all those runs while somehow telling Frankie, Pavs, Nathan, and Perk to throw good pitches! No sabrematrix to measure that!
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"God grab your neck but never choke" -Ozzie Guillen
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jul 4, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Learn to read.
Or did Mijares start that game where the controversy ensued?
I never defended Mijares’ meatball. But rather stating that Rivera and Butera have obviously been inducing better performances in the starters, except perhaps Duensing.
bobpuller lives.
Learn to write
Who was Mijares catcher? You idiot.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"God grab your neck but never choke" -Ozzie Guillen
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jul 4, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Mijares' catcher was Mauer obviously
but that’s neither here nor there. Pitchers talk, you know. Would Mijares have called out Joe’s pitch selection if fellow pitchers hadn’t talked to him about also disliking his pitch selection? Doubtful. It’s obviously Mijares’ fault for not shaking off or placing the pitch properly, but again neither here nor there.
How does Mauer being the catcher make me an idiot? If anything that proves my point. If Butera or Rivera was the catcher for that Mijares controversy, THEN I would be an idiot for posting what I just did.
But nice job using low level internet message board tactics. When somebody makes a good point, use an ad hominem attack. (That’s a fancy term for name calling, just so you know.)
That is how you win the internets.
Feel free to enlighten me how I am an idiot, or feel free to admit you made a mistake and apologize. I know you haven’t fully matured yet (obviously) so I will forgive your transgressions. You just need a little more seasoning and you can talk baseball like a grown up.
bobpuller lives.
You are indeed an idiot
Mijares is not exactly considered an ace pitcher is he? Matt Capps is not exactly known for his smooth closes, is he? Joe Mauer was the catcher, he is who you’ve been whining about on every post you’ve been on, including SSS (That’s South Side Sox, in case you even that stupid). Yet instead of blaming the pitcher’s it’s somehow Mauer’s fault. Although, somehow, you give him no credit for Liriano’s, Pavano’s, Nathan’s, and Perkin’s great outings.
This how you are an idiot, bobpuller, and I feel dumber even trying to converse with a troll such as yourself.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"God grab your neck but never choke" -Ozzie Guillen
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jul 5, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Hmm
I think it is pretty damn valid that the Twins had a very consistent streak of dominant starting pitching, and that indeed ground to a halt when JoJo came back. You said nothing to address that, you just call me an idiot and a troll again.
Blackie for instance has been doing much worse with Mauer calling his pitches, he was downright solid with the backups.
Obviously the pitchers in the end are the ones who make the final decisions and are the ones who throw the ball. But to call me an idiot and a troll for suggesting that catchers who aren’t named Joe Mauer seem to get a little bit more from several pitchers on the staff is downright idiocy.
I am no idiot, I have watched the Twins since before the ‘87 Series. Were you even alive for any of the Twins championships? My disagreeing with you does not make me stupid, or a troll.
including SSS (That’s South Side Sox, in case you even that stupid).
What does that even mean? If you’re going to call me stupid, at least do so in coherent sentences.
bobpuller lives.
If we're gonna
play the dubious catcher’s ERA game at least look it up. Rivera’s is the lowest, then Mauer’s, then Butera’s.
Let's not open the whole can of worms
of how valid ERA and all of those other stats are.
bobpuller lives.
You got me there!
That’s why I am not a stats guy so much. You can pick and choose stats to make a bad player look good, or good player bad! I am just as guilty of that as anyone. :)
bobpuller lives.
Stats are a great tool
If you know your stuff, you can tell when people are selectively picking and choosing stats to contradict reality. But that doesn’t mean you can’t make great use of them objectively either
Your whole attitude of “conclusion first, evidence later” is a major red flag. You lose an enormous amount of credibility that way.
by DavidRF on Jul 5, 2011 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm not here to be credible for internet people.
I am here to have fun talking with other Twins fans.
bobpuller lives.
being argumentative and backing it up with falsehoods is not "fun"
by DavidRF on Jul 5, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 9 recs
Beautiful.
In other words he’s saying, “I know I’m wrong, I just like to anger other people for my entertainment.”
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"God grab your neck but never choke" -Ozzie Guillen
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jul 5, 2011 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
if you're here to have fun, quit being such a drag
close your mouth a bit and open your brain. When I started here (back when this was TwinsGeek) I didn’t know a thing about stats. But instead of blindly spouting my opinions and denouncing every statistic-based argument I instead started paying attention, looking up stats on fangraphs and learning.
I still don’t know much about stats, and am very poor with numbers, but I can sit back and enjoy the logical arguments that others make using numbers rather than sticking my fingers in my ears and implying very ‘stubborn’ (to use one adjective) things like all stats are worthless because
You can pick and choose stats to make a bad player look good, or good player bad!
This board is very forgiving of all kinds of opinions, but you keep making a very irrational one over and over. You refuse to pay attention, or to learn. Then you wonder why people are frustrated with you.
Bring a thoughtful argument regarding your frustration with Mauer, and pay attention to the thoughtful responses you get. You’ll be a better fan, and a better internets person for it.
THIS MORNING I POURED MY CEREAL BUT IZ OUT OF MILKS!
MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!! - natetheskate
by montanatwinsfan on Jul 5, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
Do something besides complain
I bitch here occasionally but I also try to enjoy the game from time to time.
b.S
Bull Shit you ever talks bad about Mauer on here gets ripped to shreds.
by Die Hard Twins Fan on Jul 6, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Probably because no one that has bad things to say about Mauer can back it up with anything substantial.
It’s just rant, rant, blather, insult.
Tiring.
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by fischean on Jul 6, 2011 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
No, you are wrong
I’m generally a Mauer defender, but there are plenty of legitimate criticisms of him:
1) He’s not durable: Sure, catcher’s miss games, but it’s not the typical catcher’s “he’s banged up and will sit for a day or two” injuries that have hampered Mauer – it’s stuff like knee surgery that requires long stints on the disabled list. It’s certainly a possibility that he’s simply too injury-prone to justify his salary.
2) He’s overpaid: This year, sure – he’s been terrible, and no one denies that. But even in a more typical Mauer season, it’s certainly debatable whether he’s worth $23M/year. It probably depends on whether you think 2009 was a career year or whether it could be duplicated. He was more like a $30+M player that year, while his 2010 was more like a $15-20M player. They’re kinda splitting the difference with the contract, but there’s no guarantee that he’ll be worth it (not counting, of course, his off-field value to the Twins, which is considerable).
3) He’s overrated: Offensively, probably not – he has a high average, usually a recipe to be overrated, but it’s joined by a lot of walks and doubles; if anything, the anti-Mauer crowd underrates his offense because they’re pissed he doesn’t hit more homers. Defensively, though, probably – there’s no evidence he’s a bad catcher, but there’s not a ton of evidence that he should be winning Gold Gloves every year, either.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
by BeefMaster on Jul 6, 2011 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Legit criticism
How does “he’s slightly overrated and slightly overpaid” translate into this mindless blind hatred?
Rational criticism is no fun
It takes real hatred in order to really draw attention to yourself, which is what trolls are so desperate for.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
I opened the paper this morning and figured it out
Lots of ads for erectile dysfunction sitting in the sports section. It all makes sense now why they’re so angry.
+1
Hold on world! Montana and I agree on something!!!
But in all seriousness, all of us on this blog have had to learn stuff from time to time, from Montana to Jesse, and it is those that learn that earn the greater respect amongst the posters here.
So, bobpuller, I suggest you get your finger out of your ass, and start listening and learning. Then, once you have done that, you can write good critical arguments against players.
...formerly known as 33MorneauMVP
Absolutely.
Being able to admit when you’re wrong is all part of being part of the community. It happens.
+1
Butera is the worst of the three catchers by a long shot, all things considered. At least Rivera calls a good game, by all the numbers, including FIP.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
ERA
Archie where did u find those stats. I’ve been looking for them when complaining about Mauer. I just wanted to know where to find those stats so I could check for myself
by Die Hard Twins Fan on Jul 6, 2011 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Here:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/m/mauerjo01-field.shtml
It’s under “Advanced Fielding — C*”. You can get to that page by clicking the “More Stats” link next to the “Standard Fielding” header on the player’s Baseball-Reference page.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
It's not the disagreeing with anyone that makes someone a troll.
You are an idiot and a troll based on the deliberately annoying, insulting and baiting nature of your comments, not your age.
I’m not even discuss the rest with since you can’t do it without resorting to your trollish tactics.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"God grab your neck but never choke" -Ozzie Guillen
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jul 5, 2011 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
This would be pretty terrible if it were at all based in fact
I think it is pretty damn valid that the Twins had a very consistent streak of dominant starting pitching, and that indeed ground to a halt when JoJo came back.
Runs allowed in Mauer starts since his return:
5,0,2,5,4,11,15,0,2,7,0 (4.36 R/G)
Runs allowed in other catchers’ starts since Mauer’s return:
4,2,6,4,8 (4.8 R/G)
I suppose it’s possible your position is that Mauer’s mere presence on the roster made the pitchers pitch worse than they had the previous two weeks (but not quite as bad as they were the two months before that), but I hope you’ll forgive me for being a bit skeptical of that claim.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
by BeefMaster on Jul 5, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dominant pitching
Agreed . Funny how that happened isn’t it! Frankie’s no hitter not mauer catching pitchers going 8 innings not mauer catching. Mauer comes back and the pitchers struggle to get through 6
by Die Hard Twins Fan on Jul 6, 2011 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions
How many Twins pitchers have been dominant this year? Scott Baker. That’s really about it.
by Brady Eyestone on Jul 6, 2011 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
The baseball season is halfway over already
and ITS MAUERS FAULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How come you never see the headline "Psychic wins lottery"?
by montanatwinsfan on Jul 3, 2011 10:43 AM EDT reply actions
good to see money man mauer
finally get his comeuppance.
Boo away, Twins Territory.
Do you want to know the terrifying truth, or do you want to see me sock a few dingers?
God Help
Someone who dares say that Mauer has faults
by clutterheart on Jul 3, 2011 1:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
MAUER SO BORRING HES TAKING SENSE OF HUMOR OUT OF INTERNET!
ASDFASD!!! NOBODY READING CONTECKS OF THREAD!! IF ONLY JOE HAD MORE PERSONALITY!!! UNHNHNHHH!!
by DavidRF on Jul 3, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Agreed.
If you don’t worship “Baby Jesus” you are worthy of nothing but mockery. You must be new here.
bobpuller lives.
Princess Fiona lives
If you had been paying attention, you would understand the context that motivated the creation of this specific thread. Sorry, It wasn’t you.
Another poster, I won’t give his name but it rhymes with “Sky Lard Fins Can” went ballistic in a recap thread with a slew on anti-Mauer rantings which contained all sorts of ridiculous misspellings and grammar errors. He even misspelled “Maur”. And this was after a game which Joe had three hits and we on. It was all too much to believe. He was clearly trolling.
Now if you can’t tell the difference between your NFL/NBA star-player-must-win-every-game-by-himself mentality and an obvious troll like “Sky Lard”, then I’m sorry. But I suspect that you do. :-)
I know this thread wasn't for me.
But rather less articulate people who think like me :P
I would like to see Joe hit a home run at Target Field this year though. Maybe even two!
bobpuller lives.
No one thinks like you.
No one.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"God grab your neck but never choke" -Ozzie Guillen
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jul 4, 2011 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If we all thought the same way
humanity would have never improved.
But go ahead, carry on ridiculing anybody who doesn’t hold your exact views if it makes you feel better.
bobpuller lives.
If more people had your thought processes, humanity would digress.
Keep on trolling.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"God grab your neck but never choke" -Ozzie Guillen
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jul 5, 2011 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions
You're the one who keeps insulting me.
That would make you the troll, no? Carry on. I can start insulting you every time you post, too! But I’m an adult. :D
bobpuller lives.
You have insulted me every time you've responded, that's what trolls do.
I take it your claim on your alleged “adult” status is a joke, right? You’ve done nothing but be an annoying troll with this for a while now. I’m just sorry I took the bait. I’m done dealing with idiotic trolls like you.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"God grab your neck but never choke" -Ozzie Guillen
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jul 5, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry bub
I have been nothing but rational as of late. You’ve continued to troll me long after I gave the anti-Mauer schtick a rest.
You understand the irony of saying “that’s what trolls do” while you’re doing that exact thing, right?
bobpuller lives.
What does this say? I’ve been staring at it for 20 minutes, and have no idea what in the hell is being said.
by Brady Eyestone on Jul 5, 2011 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
OR23-1 4 EACH MILLIONE HE MAYS NOT EVENS GET 23 RRRRRBBBBBBBBIIIII OR 23 DOUBLUBUBUBUBUBUBLES @ THIS R@TE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BRAD PITT MAKE ME SOOOOOOO ANGRY
Do you want to know the terrifying truth, or do you want to see me sock a few dingers?
what's so hard to understand about
“or 23 -1 for each million. he might not even get 23 r.b.i. or 23 doubles at this rate”?
"It happened in the moment, and it happened." - Carlos Gomez
So you knew it wasn't about you, but you claimed it was so you could hijack it and spoil the fun
Princess Fiona lives.
No wonder all the fun poster left for twitter-land
MAUER CAN'T EVEN CALL A BASEBALL GAME
HE DOESN’T NOW HOW 2 SAY PITCH THE BALL
HOW MUCH IS HE WURTH——-NO SABERMETRIX 4 THAT!!!!!!!!
MONEY MAN MAUER THANK HOLLYWOOD BRAD PITT 4 DECIDING YOU’RE MONEYBALL CANDY A$$ IS BETTER THAN HOMERUN PITCH CALL STRIKEMOUT BUTERA
Do you want to know the terrifying truth, or do you want to see me sock a few dingers?
I HATE HIGEST PAYED PLAYERSZ
LAST YEAR MORNUE WAS HURT AND HE WAS HIGHEST PAD PALEYR SO IA WAS MADDD!! NOW MAURER IS HI PAYED AND HE IS HURT. WHY ARE TWINS PLAYERS GETTING HURT WHEN THEY GET PAYED BIG MONEY!!!?!?? THEY SHOUDL HIRE A DOCTOR SO THEY ARENT HURT!!!!
This is a legitimate complaint.
This season especially raises some serious questions about the Twins medical staff and their ability to keep players healthy, whether they make 400K or 23MM.
bobpuller lives.
This I can agree with
They have a long history of screwing up with injuries, especially where surgery is involved. Mauer and Liriano are exhibits A and B.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Nobody cares unless it's a highly paid player
Then it’s the player’s fault he got hurt, presumably because he makes a lot of money. Either that or if you get paid a lot you aren’t allowed to be injured. If they don’t keep playing while injured they’re a pansy.
The issue with the highly paid player
is the fact that he was the opposite of forthcoming with details about his condition. This approach won’t exactly quell the skepticism of rabid fans whose team is performing far beneath expectations.
Mentioning a bizarre symptom such as Bilateral leg weakness (which is something I have never heard of, despite a fair amount of knowledge of anatomy and physiology) without any further details really didn’t earn this player any points with the fan base.
If it’s say, Jason Repko making a half million dollars, nobody cares if you have a mysterious 2 month absence. Nobody except me anyway, I like Repko…
The bottom line is, part of how your JoJos and Morneausys earn large contracts is to be held accountable. This means it is fair to have to tolerate scrutiny from the team’s fan base if you’re keeping everything secret from them.
Another highly paid player can get neck surgery and be out for months and I won’t think any less of him for it. Because he identified the problem to the fans, and also identified how part of the necessary solution to the problem (in this case the neck surgery) will result in an extended trip to the DL. This is certainly better than mentioning a bizarre problem that frankly sounds fed up (my wife is a nurse and has ALSO never heard of BLW) followed by silence. You want to think it’s not a load of BS, but you can’t help but wonder.
The fact is if you’re highly paid, you’re held to a higher standard. This applies to injuries and staying healthy, too, irrespective as to whether or not that is 100% fair, as injuries can always happen due to sheer bad luck.
bobpuller lives.
Fans don't "deserve" confidential medical information
They don’t deserve every last detail of a player’s medical history. They deserve to be told “he’s too hurt to play” and that’s enough. There is especially no increased obligation to divulge medical history with increased salary.
by DJL44 on Jul 5, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Every hot dog at TF you buy
You pay his salary. He should at least tell you what’s wrong with him when he is not playing the game you’re paying him to play.
bobpuller lives.
Bullshit
The hot dog costs the same if they sign Mauer or don’t sign Mauer.
Every popcorn I buy at the movies pays an actor, am I entitled to their medical history?
That's just idiotic
The only difference is the movie industry has to make all its investments up front. In Baseball, they pay as they go. Otherwise, tickets and concessions pay the performers and production costs.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Jul 6, 2011 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Lots of big name actors get a piece of the box office
Medical history is private information. Period.
nah
medical history is private except when it's someone I don't like
"Nobody wants to hear me rap." - Joe Mauer
"METEOR" - JIM THOME
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Jul 6, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Though when an actor is injured on set, they do disclose that s/he is injured and the filing is delayed. But they don’t disclose the nature of the injury. For all we know, it could be a Charlie Sheen incident or something.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
and none of those disclosures are for the movie-going public
They’re for the studio and other investors. Its only through the media that the public hears of it.
They aren’t going to change the prices of tickets or popcorn if the big-money actor gets hurt and is replaced with someone cheaper. If the fans don’t like the change, then they won’t go to the movie.
you're contradicting yourself in the space of two posts
pricing doesn’t work as you describe. Ticket and concession prices are determined by demand and not payroll. They would charge the same amount if the players were playing for free.
And “too much information” about injuries is just as bad, if not worse. A daily media frenzy on the exact degrees for range of motion? No thanks.
Of course they charge the same
Contract or no Contract. I am not saying Mauer makes my beer more expensive. Just saying some of my beer money goes to Mauer.
Not the case though, the only Twins games I have been to this year were at Kauffman and Comiskey 8-)
bobpuller lives.
He tried to clear it up
Nobody seemed to listen, except LEN III in one blog post. Otherwise, the media just ate what the Twins PR machine fed them. And that was unclear at best and misleading at worst.
Since you don’t seem to know the history (which we have repeated on this site over and over), here it is again:
1. Mauer played hurt for most of last year with a torn meniscus in his knee (the same knee he severely injured as a rookie)
2. He decided to have offseason knee surgery to clean it up
3. For some odd reason, the Twins waited until December to do the procedure
4. Because it was more serious than an average clean-out job (he doesn’t have much meniscus left in that knee), he was on crutches into January
5. He couldn’t even start rehabbing until February (the two months he usually uses to get into shape for spring training were gone)
6. He didn’t resume baseball activities until a week after pitchers and catchers reported to spring training
7. He didn’t play two games in a row in spring training until 10 days before the Twins broke camp
8. Despite all that, he tried very hard to play on opening day, thinking that he could play through the pain and he would get stronger as the season went along
9. It didn’t work. He wasn’t ready. He got so weak, he had to go back to square 1 with the rehab
10. He rehabbed hard and came back 100%, two months later than anyone wanted, especially him.
11. Not coincidentally, those were the two months the Twins decided to wait to do the surgery
None of this is his fault. If you want to find fault, there’s plenty to go around with the Twins medical staff.
This is just what happens when a catcher has surgery on the same knee twice. He tried to rush back in part because he feels a greater burden to do his part with all the money. No one should fault him for trying to rush back and do his part. It just didn’t work.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Jul 6, 2011 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
so lets just put Mauer into rehab the rest of year come back strong next season
Amen?
whose with me…..2011 is lost
~David Kahn is pretty much clueless~
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jul 6, 2011 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He's been pretty good since he returned from injury
It’s just been such a short time, and he was so bad before he acknowledged that we was not ready, his numbers haven’t recovered. By year end, his OPS will be above .800 and he’ll still be a top 5 defensive catcher.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
If you define pretty good
as getting one single a game with maybe one or two doubles thrown in.
Personally I don’t recall any of those hits being particularly impactful.
In all seriousness though, yes he has done an okay job getting hits. No, he did not look good doing it.
bobpuller lives.
yeah i just don't want any slow awkward start/play -time in 2012
If Mauer is indeed 100% play him but if not, i say we give him a loooong time to get back to form
But He sure was good in the White Sox series….so Lets go for this thing then
~David Kahn is pretty much clueless~
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jul 12, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
same knee??
Geez … that’s not good.
A knee can only take so much abuse before something gives (as in “compromises ability to play permanently”).
I know Joe feels good now & wants to catch. I also know 1st base is a mess right now – as long as Justin’s out, I don’t see that we suffer that much by giving Joe frequent days at 1st.
Who
would you rather pencil into your lineup? Plouffe or Butera?
I know, playing hurt seems to become harder
once your salary exceeds the $20,000,000 mark ;)
bobpuller lives.
ummm... except this has been explained multiple times here
The shortest answer is that he had offseason knee surgery and he tried to come back too quickly. The fact that his knee hadn’t healed forced him to compensate too much with his legs. “Bilateral leg weakness” is the technical term for “dead legs”. Throw in a nasty viral infection in the mix too (which also put Morneau on the DL). So racing back too quickly from an injury… how is that a character flaw again.
You know, you were in the other threads where this was discussed, but it doesn’t fit your “Mauer is paid too much so he must be a pansy” narrative so you ignore it.
So we’re not having a discussion here. You’re just repeating the same thing over and over and laughing that no one has an answer for you despite the fact that people have refuted your points ad nauseum.
In fact, we’ll repeat this discussion again next week because you’ll ignore this post. :-)
by DavidRF on Jul 5, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
GWAHSSHH WHY CANT MAUER HIT MOAR LIKE MARK REYNOLDS!!!!11!!!!1!!1
Derpity derp derp derp.
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by John Veldhuis on Jul 5, 2011 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
THIS MORNING I POURED MY CEREAL BUT IZ OUT OF MILKS!
MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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by natetheskate on Jul 5, 2011 3:26 PM EDT reply actions 5 recs
Interesting how LandOLakes milk sponsors the Twins
And Kemps sponsors Mauer. Completely disregarding the money aspect, it shows Joe isn’t a team player that he seeks out his own milk sponsorship, different from his team’s.
bobpuller lives.
MAUER WANTZ 2 GO HIS OWN ROADE ON MILKS
MAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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by natetheskate on Jul 5, 2011 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
please tell me you're not serious on this one
it’s a bad sign that I can’t tell
"Nobody wants to hear me rap." - Joe Mauer
"METEOR" - JIM THOME
by what_would_gil_thorp_do on Jul 5, 2011 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 4 recs
MAUER MAKES IT SO NO ONE CAN TELL IF I'M SERIOUS ANYMORE
KHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
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by natetheskate on Jul 5, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I'm all for this one
KAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjd7L6txGLk&feature=related
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by John Veldhuis on Jul 6, 2011 1:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually I am a bit serious
It shows Mauer thinks he is bigger than the team, getting a competing sponsorship from the team itself.
bobpuller lives.
First, that's stupid
And second, Land-O-Lakes hasn’t sponsored the Twins since 2008, when last we saw the Milk jug in the Dome.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Yes I am so f'n stupid
That my brain completely made up the commercial I heard on the radio yesterday with Ron Gardenhire and his wife, where they mentioned LOL being the official milk of Twins Territory.
I know the fact that I am not a Mauer lover makes me an attractive target, but for the love of christ get your facts straight before you take your shots at me.
It does indeed seem trivial. But again, if you look a bit closer it has deeper implications, mainly that Mauer thinks he is a bigger deal than the Twins.
bobpuller lives.
Morneau's worse
Encouraging people to drink SODA POP! That’s not even milk!
That's where he got his HR power!
By SWIGGING FOR THE FENCES!
HFCS and caramel color beats calcium, vitamin d and pus every day.
bobpuller lives.
Hey Bob this might be a silly question but indulge me
Have you ever meet Muhammed Ali in person?
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by natetheskate on Jul 11, 2011 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions
I didn't say you are stupid, just that it would be a stupid opinion if it were based in fact
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
I think bobpuller might be the ghost of Johnny Safron
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by natetheskate on Jul 11, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions
You might have something there
Quick, to Baseball Reference: Was there an obscure ballplayer in the 50s or 60s names Bob Puller? If there was, he retired in disgrace after all his teammates kept calling him Dick.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Land O Lakes does sponsor the Twins
At the very least, on the radio, because they are always talking about Land O Lakes, the official milk of Twins Territory.
Also, the giant sign of Minnie and Paul that shakes hands when the Twins hit a home run is nice and all, but I really miss the giant milk jug that lit up.
"It happened in the moment, and it happened." - Carlos Gomez
There's a difference between advertiszing and sponsorship
Land-o-Lakes used to sponsor the Twins. Now they just advertize on 1500.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
bob, were you once a
card-carrying member of the National Science Writers Association
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by natetheskate on Jul 11, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Deeper implications?
What a joke. This “official milk of Twins Territory” title is about as meaningful as one of those “World’s Greatest Dad” t-shirts.
"...and we'll see ya tomorrow night!" - Jack Buck, Game 6, 1991 World Series
by WindyCityTwinsFan on Jul 10, 2011 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Awesome
Now you’re getting into “World’s Greatest Pet Hamster” territory!
"...and we'll see ya tomorrow night!" - Jack Buck, Game 6, 1991 World Series
by WindyCityTwinsFan on Jul 10, 2011 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions
that's the official milk of Dan Gladden
aka The Dazzle Man
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by natetheskate on Jul 11, 2011 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you squint and look sideways
this makes Mauer look bad.
Mauer used to be spokesman for Land O Lakes
Those of us who have been fans longer than two years, how could we forget?
Joe (super monotone voice): “Pour it on Twins fans. Pour it on.”
"It happened in the moment, and it happened." - Carlos Gomez
I heard he's in secret negotiations with Cass Clay
The milk whore
by DJL44 on Jul 6, 2011 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
They named a milk after a boxer? Where've I been?
Joe would probably change religions and call the milk Mo-Ali
by DavidRF on Jul 6, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It's a geographical type name.
Cass county is where Fargo is, Clay county is where Moorhead is. Or maybe they’re flipped. Either way.
bobpuller lives.
Ahhhhhhh
I should come here more often….BUT MAUR IZ KEEP ME AWAY!
"I'm glad they made Flintstone's vitamins because I used to watch The Flintstones and go, "Man I bet you if I ate that dude, I would be healthy."
"I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too."
MAUER CALLED BAD GAME THAT'S WHY THE BULLPEN ESPLODED!!!!
"It happened in the moment, and it happened." - Carlos Gomez
by myjah on Jul 7, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
REC'D
Funny joke, because Mauer didn’t catch!
bobpuller lives.
by bobpuller on Jul 7, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I KNOW FUNNY RIGHT.
I’M GLAD YOU THOUGHT THE JOKE WAS FUNNY BECAUSE MAUER DIDN’T CATCH.
"It happened in the moment, and it happened." - Carlos Gomez
This thread is exactly why I
hate internet message boards and LOVE Twinkietown.
Bravo, friends.
I always loved that one.
by FoulJack on Jul 7, 2011 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
That's like saying
you hate pop but love Coke. Coke is still a pop, even if it is one of the tastier ones.
bobpuller lives.
Dude.
Yes. You are so right.
You are like my own personal Keanu Reeves in that one movie about how all people are stuck in a matrix kind of thing but then Keanu is some kind of chosen one and can manipulate the matrix so that the matrix cant harm him. I think it was called “Braveheart.”
Anyways, thanks for being like Braveheart.
I always loved that one.
by FoulJack on Jul 8, 2011 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 5 recs
Hellarad comment, dude!
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"God grab your neck but never choke" -Ozzie Guillen
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jul 8, 2011 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions
MAUR IS SELFISH!
JOE MAUR IS SO SELFISH THAT CATCHER ISNT GOOD ENUF FOR HIM ANYMOR. NOW HE HAS TO TAKE JUSTIN MORNUES JOB TOO!!! GO BACK TO CATCHER, WE WANT JUSTIN AT FIRST BASE!! HE WAS SO SELFISH HE GRABBED ALL THE BALLS AT FIRST BASE LAST NIGHT. HE DIDNT LET ALL-STAR MICHEAL CUDDIER GET ANY BALLS!! WE WANT TO SEE CUDDIER CATCH THE BALL TOO!!
JOE MAUR TAKES ALL THE MONEY, THEN HE TAKES ALL THE JOBS, THEN HE FIELDS ALL THE BALLS SELFISH, NOT A TEAM PLAYER
by DJL44 on Jul 8, 2011 10:18 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
This might be one of my favorite comment threads ever.
by Jesse on Jul 8, 2011 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
MAAAAUUUUUURRRRRRR!!!!!!
I M SWTCHGN TO SOY MILK!!!!!!! DMMN MAUR!
ARRRGGHHTHWTHCHNTING!!!!!

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