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Twins Trade Rumors: Nationals Still After Denard Span, Drew Storen In Play?

This suddenly just got a lot more real. Earlier this week we heard the Nationals were interested in the Twins' Denard Span, but without putting in play either of the two players who a team like Minnesota would most covet. Those two players, as we already know, are 26-year old starter Tyler Clippard and 23-year old bullpen ace Drew Storen.

Of course Washington's posturing was just that. Posturing. The Twins have absolutely no reason to trade Span: he's one of the American League's best center fielders, he's a good leadoff hitter, he's still relatively young and he's under contract through 2014 with an option for 2015.

Now, that seems to have changed.

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We'll talk about this more after the jump.

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Drew Storen

#22 / Pitcher / Washington Nationals

6-2

180

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Aug 11, 1987

 


W-L G GS CG SHO SV BS IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP
2011 - Drew Storen 5-2 47 0 0 0 25 3 49.1 34 14 13 4 12 40 2.37 .93



There's no doubt about it: Storen is a beast. He throws a mid-90s fastball, a slider in the lower to mid-80s (both of which are very good pitches), and then a less than stellar changeup that's only about six miles per hour slower than the fastball. SB Nation's player page for Storen gives you a little more on his potential:

Assets: Has great arm action on his pitches and the ideal demeanor for pitching in the late innings. Oozes potential as a closer, due to excellent strikeout ability.

Flaws: Needs to build up his stamina in order to maximize his big-league potential. Is probably a little lacking in pitching repertoire to be a starter.

Career Potential: Quality closer with big upside.

All of that is, of course, great. The issue that we're still stuck with is that Span is an everyday player, and Storen is still a relief pitcher. After the Wilson Ramos and J.J. Hardy fiascos, I'm hoping Bill Smith has learned his lesson in undervaluing position players when getting bullpen help in return. Even if that help is as great as Storen has the potential to be.

In his career, Span has accrued WARs of 3.9, 3.3, 1.3 and 3.3 (that's just so far this year, and according to BaseballReference.com). FanGraphs' War says 3.2, 4.1, 2.6 and 2.6 so far in 2011. Even the best relief pitchers in baseball aren't going to be capable of posting 3-WAR seasons.

If the Nats are suddenly willing to think about Storen, that's great. Now the Twins can listen. But the Nationals better be willing to pony up something else.

 

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Goddamnit.

Cheering for inconsistent, undisciplined teams [Twins, Wild, Packers, Hawkeyes] since 1989. "False Hope is better than No Hope"

by Yabbs on Jul 27, 2011 4:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't

give two flying shits what we get in return
DO. NOT. TRADE. SPAN. DO YOU HEAR ME BILL SMITH!?!?!

Roberto Luongo + Game 7 Stanley Cup Final= LOLFAIL

by NorthernStar on Jul 27, 2011 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm with ya

but I don’t give two flying fucks!

"It's not what you do when you walk in the door that matters. It's what you do when you walk out. That's when you've made a lasting impression." -Jim Thome

by IloveThomeHomers on Jul 28, 2011 3:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Contract

What is Storen’s contract like?
I suspect he is about to get expensive.

Span is very cheap for his production thus his value is triple the normal player for his stats. So Span’s contract makes Storen still not enough.

I would be OK if they traded Revere. But not Span.

by clutterheart on Jul 27, 2011 5:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Storen is under team control for two more seasons after this,

and then he’s arbitration eligible. If he’s up for good, my back-of-napkin figuring says he’s a free agent in 2018. But he’ll be hella expensive in arbitration, particularly if he’s a Super 2.

by Jesse on Jul 27, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think that's right

He was on the ML roster pretty much all of last year. This is his second full season. He’d be under team control for four more seasons making him a FA after the 2015 season, wouldn’t he?

by Gunnarthor on Jul 27, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

You’re right. I’d also added wrong the first time. 2015.

by Jesse on Jul 27, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

So what does that mean exactly?

When does he get expensive?

When does he become arbritraion eligiable?

by clutterheart on Jul 27, 2011 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

arbitration years are 2013-2015

and he could also be “super 2” for 2012, if his production was in the top 17% of players eligible for super two status (less than 3years, more than 2, with 86 days of service time in the 2011 season).

by Gunnarthor on Jul 27, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did the math on this in the other thread...

he’s likely to be MORE expensive than Span through 2015.

No thanks.

Bill Smith should be fired if he makes that trade; especially after all the other horrible trades he’s already made.

by DJSkillz on Jul 27, 2011 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Horrible trades

must be Bill Smith’s cocaine

Roberto Luongo + Game 7 Stanley Cup Final= LOLFAIL

by NorthernStar on Jul 27, 2011 5:01 PM EDT reply actions  

For relief pitching

He’s Ed Wade all over again

by DJL44 on Jul 27, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be completely honest...

I know it’s a business, blah blah blah, but if this trade goes down, I’m taking a break from the Twins for a while. There is NO reason Denard should be traded-Ben Revere is not ready to take his place, and he’s nowhere near as good as Span yet.

There is only so much a fan can take. YOU HEAR ME, BILL SMITH?!

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by fischean on Jul 27, 2011 5:03 PM EDT reply actions  

Heh. Lies.

But I agree anyways!

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by TWinSS on Jul 27, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Alright, I would probably cave sooner rather than later.

But I would be so, so pissed.

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by fischean on Jul 27, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, he hears, and he obeys

What a relief. Thanks fischean!

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jul 27, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gad

Unless the Twins think Span’s concussion is a long term problem, I don’t get this. Does the FO really think that this team, with a slightly better pen, can win the central? Hardy and Ramos, at least, didn’t really fit in the Twins long term plans for various reasons. Span is a cheap, extremely useful part of the teams foundation. Don’t move him for a relief pitcher.

by Gunnarthor on Jul 27, 2011 5:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Settle down people

The information we have shows that this is entirely one way…

The Nationals want Span
The Nationals have put some of their players on the block

Those are the facts – the only facts as of now

The beard abides.

by Jason Kubel's Beard on Jul 27, 2011 5:05 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Another fact

Bill Smith has a bit of a track record

Roberto Luongo + Game 7 Stanley Cup Final= LOLFAIL

by NorthernStar on Jul 27, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Listen....

“The Nationals are pursuing Span”

and

“The Twins are looking to move Span”

are two separate, completely different things!!!

The beard abides.

by Jason Kubel's Beard on Jul 27, 2011 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Absolutely.

We’ve heard nothing that even implies that the Twins are the instigators here. It’s the Nats who believe they can get this done, the Twins aren’t fishing.

Minnesota has NO reason to trade Span. They need to be blown away with an offer, or it won’t be done.

by Jesse on Jul 27, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Looks like you're right

Per LEN:
Ken Rosenthal of FOX continues to report that the Nationals are pursuing the Twins’ Denard Span. I’ve been told by a source the Twins are not shopping their leadoff hitter, and it’s hard for me to believe that they would move Span, who is under control through 2015. Rosenthal suggests that closer Drew Storen could be part of a potential deal. The Twins were eyeing Storen before the draft a couple years ago, but the Nats selected him with an earlier pick.

I also was told that the Nationals, in need of a long-term answer in center, were evaluating Ben Revere and CF’s in the Twins’ farm system too.

My view is that Span shouldn’t be moved unless its for a lot in return, more than Storen. The Twins don’t have another leadoff hitter. Span also is a good outfielder and a good citizen.

by Gunnarthor on Jul 27, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

This

I try not to get worked up about a trade rumor until the rumor seems to stem from both sides.

I’ve said this before… New York made it sound like a done deal that Mauer would be a Yankee. One team wanting a player does not make that player for sale.

by ColossusOfRhode on Jul 27, 2011 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't want your relievers

Give me Bryce Harper or this Strasburg kid, else you don’t get my Span!

WE AREN’T THE NATIONALS FARM TEAM, JUST BECAUSE WE MOVED FROM THERE ROUGHLY 50 YEARS AGO, DAMMIT!

by twinscrazy_german on Jul 27, 2011 5:09 PM EDT reply actions  

It's an arms race between Baltimore and Washington

Gradually they’ll bleed the Twins of position players while dumping tons of relief pitchers at our doorstep.

by DJL44 on Jul 27, 2011 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our future Lineup

(Note: this is supposed to be humorous in nature)

1. Relief Pitcher from Baltimore: CF
2. Relief Pitcher from Washington: SS
3. Joe Mauer: C
4. Relief Pitcher from Baltimore: RF
5. Relief Pitcher from Washington: 3B (While Danny Valencia plays for the Indians and hates the fangirls out there including Twinsgirl.)
6. Matt Capps: 1B
7. Jim Hoey: DH
8. Relief Pitcher from Cleveland (came over on the Danny Valencia trade and is the new favorite of Twinsgirl): 2B
9. Delmon Young: LF (Gardy Loves him)

Starting Pitchers: Drew Storen, Toby Gardenhire, Michael Cuddyer, Nick Blackburn, and Liam Hendriks.

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by Jessy S on Jul 27, 2011 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks

Without that disclaimer I would have thought you were serious. Boy, would I have looked silly.

by Caulfield on Jul 27, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Which DC or Baltimore

politician has compromising photos of Smith? /tinfoil hat

by archie2227 on Jul 28, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I read some seriously frustrating comments from a nationals fan on reddit

about the ramos / capps trade..

“u mad bro”.

YES I AM PUNK.

Delmon Young is my new Bicycle.

by Zack Carlson on Jul 27, 2011 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

O epm

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Jul 27, 2011 5:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I won't freak out

The above post was an oops. However, I’m not gonna freak out on this. I’ve actually defended the Twins front office on many occasions but if this goes down w/o the Twins getting significant players I’ll be sick to my stomach.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Jul 27, 2011 5:16 PM EDT reply actions  

You aren't the only one

They should give us Tums every time we step foot in Target Field

"It's not what you do when you walk in the door that matters. It's what you do when you walk out. That's when you've made a lasting impression." -Jim Thome

by IloveThomeHomers on Jul 28, 2011 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

What about him is a keeper? Is it the six errors in 64 games? Is it the free pass to second base he gives every hit to the gap even if he cuts it off? Is it his OPS+ of 62?

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jul 28, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've been something of a Smith defender

He’s had a couple horrific trades, but he’s done an otherwise okay job of roster construction, and his lower-leverage deals (midseason pitching help, Capps notwithstanding) have been pretty good.

That said, if he trades Denard Span for relief pitching, he will officially move into the Brad Childress Zone, in which I actively root for him to be fired.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Jul 27, 2011 5:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Note

The original draft of this post included the F-word three times in the last sentence. I feel very strongly about this, apparently.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Jul 27, 2011 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I might have fitted in four
  • trades
  • relief pitching
    Brad ** Childress
  • fired

by twinscrazy_german on Jul 27, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like eight.

That said, if he 1 trades 2 Denard Span for 3 relief pitching, he will officially 4 move into the 5 Brad 6 Childress Zone, in which I actively 7 root for him to be 8 fired.

by timprov on Jul 27, 2011 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is exactly where I am too.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Jul 27, 2011 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm long pat rooting for him to be fired

That happened since the Capps trade. This would put him in Mike Lynn territory.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jul 27, 2011 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

seconded

FREE AIRWOLF!

ROHLFING!!!!!

by d-mac on Jul 27, 2011 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

fourthded!

"It's not what you do when you walk in the door that matters. It's what you do when you walk out. That's when you've made a lasting impression." -Jim Thome

by IloveThomeHomers on Jul 28, 2011 3:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

What would be acceptable?

I don’t even know I don’t want to ask for the sky but I don’t see what would make sense for the Twins? Derek Norris + one of their MI (Espinosa, Desmond, Lombardozzi) along with Drew Storen?

Even that I don’t know if I’d be all that excited about.

Peyton's good but have you ever heard of Jeff George?

by halfchest on Jul 27, 2011 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I'd rather have Span

We don’t need Norris since Mauer will get most of the playing time. If you trade Span, I’d want a front line starter back + an everyday caliber position player at least. Span’s an all-star CFer and a great leadoff hitter. They don’t grow on trees. If we really wanted to move him, I think other teams would get involved. I certainly don’t want a below avg MI and a relief pitcher for him.

by Gunnarthor on Jul 27, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd do Storen for Revere straight up.

Not sure if Gardy’s aneurysm is positive or negative though.

by timprov on Jul 27, 2011 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Timing might not agree

I would like to have Span back in the lineup before this happened

by twinscrazy_german on Jul 27, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Repko can play CF for a few games.

He’s not even all that much worse than Revere, really.

by timprov on Jul 27, 2011 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed...

i’d consider revere for storen, just because revere still has a lot of improving to do and we have span/benson/hicks/arcia/morales who are all better than him likely, within 2 years or so.

by DJSkillz on Jul 27, 2011 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

We'd be dancing with the devil if we traded Revere

He’s a keeper.

"It's not what you do when you walk in the door that matters. It's what you do when you walk out. That's when you've made a lasting impression." -Jim Thome

by IloveThomeHomers on Jul 28, 2011 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Give me Clippard, Storen, and Espy,

and I’ll think about it.

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by TWinSS on Jul 27, 2011 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

In case you missed it

Span wasn’t held out of the past couple Red Wings games. He couldn’t get a flight. Not sure why he wasn’t traveling with the rest of the team.

by DJL44 on Jul 27, 2011 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks, I didn't see this one.

Questions raising more questions…

by Jesse on Jul 27, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a major leaguer

Major leaguers don’t travel with the scruff. Saw Gardy’s quote that strongly implied it was Span’s preference.

by gbg on Jul 27, 2011 6:55 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe if they threw in Harper, Strasburg, Storen and Clippard then I would go for it

by WSBound2010 on Jul 27, 2011 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

No worries

According to yahoo sports the Nats seem to be the favorite for BJ Upton.

by Caulfield on Jul 27, 2011 7:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Upton vs. Span

Span is better than Upton. Upton has always been over rated. Anyway, it doesn’t matter. I just wanna see the Nats get hosed as payback for the Capps deal and I wish the Twins were doing the hosing. Not for Span though, he’s a Twin.

by NoDakMan on Jul 27, 2011 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shhhh

Maybe they don’t know that.

by Caulfield on Jul 27, 2011 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

This just in!

THURSDAY, 12:52pm: The Nationals are not willing to trade Storen for Span, reports MLB.com’s Bill Ladson.

The beard abides.

by Jason Kubel's Beard on Jul 28, 2011 3:17 PM EDT reply actions  

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