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Who You Can Boo, Who You Can't: A Definitive Guide to Jeering the Yankees


Many Twins fans, frustrated at both a season gone wrong and their team's continued playoff failures at the hands of the New York Yankees, will no doubt be tempted to lustily boo the visiting team this weekend.  Some of the Yankees, though, are more deserving of your ire and invective than others.  Below is a guide to how you, the fan, should act when this player is introduced or comes to the plate.


Derek Jeter

#2 / Short Stop / New York Yankees

6-3

195

R

R

Jun 26, 1974

 

 

Bad enough at defense now to play SS for the Twins (Nishioka ZING!), Jeter is a troublesome case for you, the prospective jeer-er.  On one hand, the Jeter worship from the New York and national media is hardly his fault, but on the other hand, you probably aren't going to be able to boo Mike Lupica in person unless you run into him buying sweaters "for a nephew" at the Rosedale Gymboree.  VERDICT:  yes, you may boo Jeter, but try to follow it up with a "but this is more meant for the media's slavish deification of you than anything you've done" caveat.  He'll appreciate the distinction.  


 


Alex Rodriguez

#13 / Third Base / New York Yankees

6-3

230

R

R

Jul 27, 1975

 

 

He's expected to play at some point during the series.  Obviously, the extent to which you care about the steroids issue will dictate how loudly you boo him and what names you will call him, and I leave that to your own level of righteous indignation.  For those who don't plan to boo him, I understand, but would ask that you look at this picture first and reconsider your quietude.  VERDICT: boo with great conviction; ask him if the mirror is aging better than Cameron Diaz.




Curtis Granderson

#14 / Center Field / New York Yankees

6-1

185

L

R

Mar 16, 1981

 

 

An MVP candidate.  Has had the Twins' number for years.  (Did you know, during Game 163, that he was on base the entire game?)  Is referred to as "The Grandy Man" by Yankees' broadcast shill John Sterling.  The last reason is the only real reason to give him any heat, but it's enough.  VERDICT: boo, but with just the right amount of self-disgust because you'd kill for him to play for the Twins.




CC Sabathia

#52 / Pitcher / New York Yankees

6-7

290

L

L

Jul 21, 1980

 

 

Surly.  Never wears his hat right.  Hates when people bunt on him because then that pudgy dingus might actually have to break a goddamn sweat.  Baggiest uniform in baseball.  Fantastic, durable pitcher.  VERDICT: oh, yes, boo. [REDACTED] that guy.




Mariano Rivera

#42 / Pitcher / New York Yankees

6-2

185

R

R

Nov 29, 1969

 

 

Greatest closer of all time.  Vulnerable (maybe) to the inevitability of age, professional hitters w/beards. VERDICT: don't boo.  He's awesome.  You will never see another one like him.




Ivan Nova

#47 / Pitcher / New York Yankees

6-4

225

R

R

Jan 12, 1987

 

 

He has a cool name, but might be a stealth Russkie.  Rocky Balboa didn't hand Drago his ass just for a paycheck, comrade.  He did it for AMERICA.  VERDICT: boo, but only if you remember the Cold War.




Mark Teixeira

#25 / First Base / New York Yankees

6-3

220

B

R

Apr 11, 1980

 

 

Is there a more bland superstar in baseball?  I don't think so.  I just forgot who I was writing about.  Chris Chambliss?  Hey, I had his baseball card!   (FACT: If the "X" in Teixeira was pronounced as "ecks," people would like him more.)  VERDICT: you can boo, I guess, but if you need to go to the rest room or grab a bite to eat, do that instead.  He'll either fly out or hit a double, probably.




A.J. Burnett

#34 / Pitcher / New York Yankees

6-4

230

R

R

Jan 03, 1977

 

 

Handsomely compensated starting pitcher who everyone in New York wants to run out of town.  VERDICT: go ahead and boo, but use it to gauge your anti-Bombers fervor.  There will probably be a Yankees fan or two in your section.  They hate Burnett more than you do, and will no doubt make this known loudly and indelicately. Can you match this fan in volume and vulgarity?  If you make nearby parents with kids complain to the usher, you've done your job.



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by Go Twins! on Aug 19, 2011 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

Nicely done

I’d probably boo them all except Granderson and Rivera, though you raise a good point about Tex. I’d really have to dig deep to care enough to boo him. I’ll boo Jeter all day though. I don’t care whose fault it is- man am I sick of hearing about that guy!

by dctwin on Aug 19, 2011 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

About Tex

It seems to me in the dozen or so Yankee games I catch each year that Tex is constantly whining to the blues. He’s the Rasheed Wallace of MLB. Maybe Tim Duncan is a better comparison. Really badass, but other than whining to officials, doesn’t really show much emotion throughout the game.

Anyway, that is enough to boo him and for me puts him near the top of the list.

Casilla is the worst, most exciting infielder I have ever seen.

by PinkiePinkerton on Aug 19, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excellent tutorial

Plus, extra points to any fan booing A-Rod while displaying a poster of a centaur.

The other teams could make trouble for us if they win. — Yogi Berra

by Twnzfan on Aug 19, 2011 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Why have we not seen this at TF yet?!

Someone going to one of these games, pllllease bring a picture of centaur A-Roid!

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by fischean on Aug 19, 2011 12:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Booing Yankees

You boo them because you can’t beat them?

by Rktball on Aug 19, 2011 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

No, you boo them because they're (organizationally) what's wrong with baseball.

Buying up all the best players only hurts the sport as a whole.

FIRE DAN EDWARDS!!!

by Flip27 on Aug 19, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure

If by “bought up” you mean “drafted, shepherded through their farm system, and signed to a long-term contract”. If you think that is the same thing as outbidding the entire league for any free agent of your choosing, I don’t think this conversation really needs to go any further.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Aug 19, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

disagree on this point

the problem is not the yankees. while i don’t care for them at all and frankly would rather see the chisox win in a head-to-head alcs, they are playing within the rules (except a-rod and the former clemons/petite duo…then there was giambi…ok so maybe they don’t play within the rules. yankees fans may point out juan rincon, but really?) that have been established by mlb for roster construction. until the owners of the other 29 teams can convince the players union to balance out the competition thru collective bargaining, i will not say that they are what’s wrong with baseball.

if everyone involved in mlb out side of the yankees organization wanted to change the rules to create an environment of more balanced competition, they could easily do it. i believe the other owners realize the guaranteed revenue that the yankees/red sox bring to their bottom line and are not incredibly interested in changing the status quo.

with all that said, point out to yankee fans that they have the most underachieving team in all of the 4 major north american professional sports leagues. no other team in any league has such a competitive advantage. imagine if the patriots didn’t have to worry about a cap and outspent their opponents 3 to 1…they would have won eight of the last ten superbowls. if the red wings didn’t have to be concerned about how they spend their money, they would be perennial cup hoisters. the lakers would dominate every finals championship for the last 15 years.

the yankees? how long has it been since they were awarded rings?

Casilla is the worst, most exciting infielder I have ever seen.

by PinkiePinkerton on Aug 19, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

egg meet face

that must have been the year i stopped watching october baseball. admittedly, my face is a little red.

that said, they still should win more often than they have over the past decade.

Casilla is the worst, most exciting infielder I have ever seen.

by PinkiePinkerton on Aug 19, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Problem with the Yankees lately is that they are rich *and* smart

In the 80s, the Yankees could be counted for overpaying old guys who were over the hill. The Dodgers in the 90s were like this.

Now its like the Yankees make moneyball savvy personnel decisions with a deep pocket. Frustrating as a non-Yankee fan.

by DavidRF on Aug 19, 2011 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is probably why I have less Yankee hate than most

I started following baseball in the late 80s and early 90s, during which time the Yankees were no better than anyone else (they finished last in 1990, I think, and one of their pitchers threw a no-hitter and lost the game 4-0). They didn’t return to dominance until the mid-90s, by which time I’d already started rooting primarily against the Braves, because the kids at school who rooted for them were the same bandwagon jumpers who rooted for the Dallas Cowboys.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Aug 19, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Need for an egg on your face

The Yankees may have won in 2009, but their last title was in 2000.

Title Winners between that time period:
2001: Arizona over Yankees
2002: Anaheim/LA Angels
2003: Florida over Yankees
2004: Red Sox
2005: White Sox
2006: St. Louis
2007: Red Sox
2008: Philadelphia
2009: Yankees
2010: San Francisco

As for the players, they want to change the system. Every player knows that a good contract is bidded on by all the teams, not just a select few. Therefore, things need to change or teams like the Twins will only become a feeder team for the big guys like the Yankees.

I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
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by Jessy S on Aug 19, 2011 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

What are you thinking using facts to argue your points?

The real problem with the Yankees is the attitude that permeates from everyone involved with the team. The fact that the Yankees series at Target Field is sponsored on the Twins schedule as a special event makes me want to gag. Yankee players, fans, and front office have this air of entitlement: anything less than a World Series title (done in a four game sweep) is a failure. When they do win, and yeah, they win a lot, they aren’t even all that excited because it’s “expected.” It’s that attitude that makes everyone else want to root against them.

Also, there’s no relish at Yankee Stadium, and that’s a travesty.

by ColossusOfRhode on Aug 19, 2011 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yankees always lead the league in Road Attendance... always been that way

People like to come see the Yankees… even if they just want to boo them. :-)

Its annoying when teams exploit that with “special events”, though.

by DavidRF on Aug 19, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

The part that kills me is the number of actual Yankees fans at road games

I don’t like feeling like an away fan at my home stadium. (Red Sox games have the same problem… Red Sox at Oakland looked like Christmas with all the red on the green seats… come to think of it, Fenway looks kind of like Christmas every game.)

by ColossusOfRhode on Aug 19, 2011 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

To us

It is a special event. This is the only time the Yankees are going to be at Target Field this season outside of a playoff berth and the only way a playoff berth will happen is if we play .800 ball and Cleveland, Detroit, and the White Sox fall apart to the point that we win the division.

I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
Sorry Doug_2050, Brian Wilson is creepier than me.

by Jessy S on Aug 19, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

But you could say the same thing when the Orioles are in town

And those aren’t considered special events.

Likewise, when the Twins played their annual two games at Fenway, the Red Sox didn’t call it a special event, even though I was excited.

by ColossusOfRhode on Aug 19, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously...

You don’t see a difference between the allure of seeing the Yankees versus seeing the Orioles? How many “I’m gonna tell my kids about watching him play” guys are on the Orioles? Half the Yankees’ lineup is guys like that – they’re a team that you make it a point to go see.

The Red Sox don’t have any special rivalry with the Twins, and the Twins have one guy that could pass the “I’m gonna tell my kids about him” test. Why would they consider it a premium game?

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by BeefMaster on Aug 19, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

The only thing wrong about your response

Is that ESPN would basically consider the Yankees vs Red Sox first before anybody else.

I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
Sorry Doug_2050, Brian Wilson is creepier than me.

by Jessy S on Aug 19, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, the wrong thing with my response is that Puckett only got 10 hits in two consecutive games against the Brewers

August 29 and 30, 1987… I was six; my memory is fuzzy.

Surprisingly enough, I don’t actually care what ESPN thinks. Watching SportsCenter is not on the list of things I’ll tell my children about.

by ColossusOfRhode on Aug 19, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Except

When an anchor does something wrong to deflame the Twins and it turns into a major national media event.

I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
Sorry Doug_2050, Brian Wilson is creepier than me.

by Jessy S on Aug 19, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Is that why the Twins aren't on fire anymore?

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Aug 19, 2011 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

“Anything less than a world Series title (done in a four-game sweep) is a failure.”

Exactly. It’s the Seinfeld episode when they won in 1996 and George was giving Bernie Williams grief for not sweeping to win the title.

This is exactly how the Yankees approach every season. They are smart and rich, not just rich. They expect every player to play their best every single day. And if they don’t, they will find another player who will. This is not just the fans that expect this. It’s absolutely the Steinbrenners, Cashman, Girardi.

I was at spring training practice for the Yankees in 2009 when I saw one of Girardi’s lieutenants go absolutely ballistic on Posada for not handling a pitch in the dirt. In spring training — pitchers and catchers.

They have a sense of entitlement but they also have a sense that they work much, much, much harder than everyone else, and so they should win the Series every year. In four games.

Have a look at Joe Torre’s book if you want some insight into that franchise.

by Teo12345 on Aug 19, 2011 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seinfeld

That comment totally reminded me of that episode too.

Bernie: You know we won the world series right?
George: Pfft, in 6 games

I’ll vouch for the Torre book too, its pretty good. Also makes Pavano look like a punk.

by Caulfield on Aug 19, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least they won the 98 and 99 Series in four.

I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
Sorry Doug_2050, Brian Wilson is creepier than me.

by Jessy S on Aug 19, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

We boo them becauset his is America

Now get off our lawn. But before you go, please buy yourself a happy meal … and a sense of humor.

I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.

by montanatwinsfan on Aug 19, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Face up to it, you boo them

Because you are 19-60 against them.
I remember after last year’s playoff blowout, there was blog talk about putting the Twins on playoff probation, to avoid the Twins soiling themselves whenever they would face the Yanks in the post-season.

by Rktball on Aug 19, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

As a recovering Red Sox fan

We boo because they are the Yankees and that is what you do when you are not from New York.

I seem to recall a rather enjoyable series in 2004 in which the Sox kicked the Yankees’ asses. That was a ton of fun… and I didn’t stop booing the Yankees just because they were beat by my local squad. They were still douchebags… but loser douchebags.

by ColossusOfRhode on Aug 19, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just boo them

because I think Swisher looks like a jerk.

by spanspanspan on Aug 19, 2011 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

He does.

And because he played for the White Sox AND Yankees. Double whammy of hate.

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by fischean on Aug 19, 2011 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats why the Sox and Yanks

have the best rivalry of any sport.

by Rktball on Aug 19, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

/Barf

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by fischean on Aug 19, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Really?

You have to have two competitive teams to constitute a valid rivalry. Michigan hasn’t been against the Buckeyes for some time now, since Bo left.

by Rktball on Aug 19, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Michigan was pretty competitive in 2006

That rivalry runs way deeper and longer than the Red Sox/Yankee thing, which was mostly cooked up by Dan Shaughnessy in the 80s.

by ColossusOfRhode on Aug 19, 2011 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Au contraire

Red Sox led yanks in 1949 by one game, with two to play at end of season for the pennant. yanks won both and went on to win World Series.

by Rktball on Aug 19, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

awwww. You got me.

Now excuse me while I go soil myself for having been corrected by your brilliance.

I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.

by montanatwinsfan on Aug 19, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's the hair.

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あなたが深淵に長い間熟視場合、深淵はあなたにも眼差し。 -Nishi

by less cowbell, more 'neau on Aug 19, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

To borrow Seth Meyers' joke about Tim Pawlenty...

Mark Teixeira is so boring that if you look up “boring” in the dictionary, it’s more interesting than Mark Teixeira.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Aug 19, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Booing

Other than The Cheater I think it’s pretty lame to boo any of these guys.

Think about this: AJ Pierzynski is on the DL. Do you know how many times this guy has been on the DL in his decade-long career. You probably know this. You’re baseball junkies. But it’s a pretty good accomplishment. Why did we get rid of him, exactly? Because he hits .285 and stays healthy — even as a catcher?

Oh, back to booing. I am far more inclined to want to boo our own than theirs. I mean, I would be far more inclined to boo our own team than theirs if I was the sort who booed and if our players who were deserving of the boo actually played once in awhile. I’m not going to boo Tosini or Butera, but Mr. $23,000,000? You betcha. I never thought I’d say it but he needs to tell the architect he’ll call him after the season and he needs to get to the batting tee or the hitting cage or whatever.

Sure, he can hit when he is healthy but the big question is why isn’t he healthy? Have you seen AJ? He’s not a roid user but he doesn’t skip too many trips to the gym. 23M could learn a thing or two from him.

And, let’s not forget our fearless leader’s system. The idea that you let a starter go until he gets into real trouble is not a part of our leader’s beliefs. He would rather play matchups, which works great at times — usually when you have a great pen — but puts a lot of pressure on General Smith.

And then there is the General. Rochester is pretty bad right now. So is New Britian. And Rene Tosini is hitting .205 while Drew Butera is hitting .210 or whatever. And Nishioka? He could use a season or two outside of the bigs.

It’s crazy to think that the Franchise is already going to become a right fielder. We’re paying a guy $23 million to play right field and hit .282 with one HR. And you’re worried about booing Jeter, Texiera and Ivan Nova?

by Teo12345 on Aug 19, 2011 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

This is meant to be a joke

Seriously, it is a joke and I mean it.

Of course, Randball could have written it a bit better, but you don’t boo Derek Jeter, unless you are not a fan.

As for Joe Mauer, He doesn’t need to be booed. Yes he needed to play right field last night, but blame it on Luke Hughes who managed to miss his gate at the airport.

Agree with you on everything else though. The reason why our pitchers get into trouble is because our staff is being taught to pitch to contact meaning that Gardy pal Rick Anderson wants to see the ground balls.

I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
Sorry Doug_2050, Brian Wilson is creepier than me.

by Jessy S on Aug 19, 2011 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you saying that Rick Anderson is gay?

I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.

by montanatwinsfan on Aug 19, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

He might be gay right now

Because he is reading the comics page in the Star Tribune. But in terms of sexuality, no.

I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
Sorry Doug_2050, Brian Wilson is creepier than me.

by Jessy S on Aug 19, 2011 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps

I know — sacrilege to criticize Mauer. We’re all so invested in the belief that he is the greatest catcher (or hitter, or both) there ever was and so anyone who dares to criticize this is ostracized.

The problem we have with the pitchers is the same problem we have with Mauer. And it’s the same problem we have with Morneau and the same problem with Kubel and the same problem with so many other players.

I saw Cal Ripken play as a kid. And, I remember that the game I saw him play was in Boston and we were listening to the pregame on the radio. The announcers said that this was something like Ripken’s 1350th straight game. My Dad said, “don’t you think it’s good to take a day off every now and then? Don’t you think would last longer if he gave himself a day off once and awhile?” Cal played 21 seasons and he never hit less than .250 and his OPS was always above .750 (Mauer’s OPS this year? .685). Breaks break up rhythm, momentum and the like. Everyone gets banged up during the season. That’s baseball.

But the organization seems to think this can be prevented — if we give guys lots of days off. Good players should play everyday. They shouldn’t be babied and they shouldn’t rest on day games after night games. They should play. Everyday. And that should be what’s expected of them. Same is true with pitchers. Good righties get good lefties out. Good lefties get good righties out.

Gardy differs on all points, and particularly with respect to pitchers late in games. He just has a much different approach, as was demonstrated at the end of last season, when he took a team that was the hottest in baseball, to the worst in baseball in the final three weeks.

And I know: I need a happy meal. It’s just starting to set in that there will absolutely be no postseason this year — and perhaps not next year unless we make some great moves. Sucks.

by Teo12345 on Aug 19, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

When DavidRF starts swearing ...

look the F@#K out!

I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.

by montanatwinsfan on Aug 19, 2011 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Not so clueless

 How many games has Mauer missed in his career? Let’s have a look.

 2004 MIN 35 (127)
 2005 MIN 131 (31)
 2006 MIN 140 (22)
 2007 MIN 109 (53)
 2008 MIN 146 (16)
 2009 MIN 138 (24)
 2010 MIN 137 (25)
 2011 MIN 65 (58)

I get somewhere around 356. Now, granted, there is that first year but whatever, you get the pic. Joe’s hurt a lot — two-plus years worth so far. It’s just hard to see how the money works out at this stage. Maybe he comes back next year and has an incredible season and goes on to have a great rest of his career.

The individual trade, for sure, worked out (i.e. AJ for Liriano, Nathan and Boof). My overall point was that AJ was pushed out and replaced by Mauer. Was that wise given what we know about AJ and Mauer? I think it’s close, considering how injury-prone Joe is throughout his career. And, I would also argue that he’s not exactly the toughest of catchers, something that AJ has demonstrated in his time in the bigs.

And a rightfielder who hits .285 with 1 HR is not a major league right fielder (nevermind one who does that for a million dollars per week). Let’s hope he has a much better performance next year and the years that follow. We didn’t pay Joe $23MM to hit .281 in RF. We paid him that kind of money because he was a catcher who could hit well over .300. And we haven’t really seen that since the big bucks started fillin’ the coffers.

by Teo12345 on Aug 19, 2011 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't even know what you're arguing anymore

You’re not very good at it though. Catchers have off days. AJ has missed over 200 games in that same span himself.

What does this have to do with boo-ing the Yankees again?

If you seriously think the Twins would have been better off if Mauer had gone to Florida State to play football, then you can start another thread for that.

We’re boo-ing the Yankees here!

BOO YANKEES! ;-)

by DavidRF on Aug 19, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have a project for you

Compare his games to other catchers or, more specifically, games started at catcher. With the exception of 2007 and this year, he’s pretty much the same as anyone else in terms of playing time.

Then add on that he can play 1B or (even if you abhor it) RF on days when he’s not catching or DHing. And stop ranting on the RF thing. That was a fluke caused by only having 9 players available for the lineup.

by spanspanspan on Aug 19, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

cash

The question isn’t just who is the better player, right? I mean nobody disputes the fact that Mauer is a good player and he’s going to have a better career than AJ even if this season AJ is bette. Joe’s had some incredible seasons. He’s had a couple of lousy seasons, too.

The question is, given that we really need about 15 great players to win a championship and we’re never really gonna have much more than about $110MM per season to do it, who would you rather have on your team? AJ is making $2MM this season while Mauer is making $23MM this season.

If money were no object, I would take Mauer in a second. But it’s part of the game. By tying up Mauer for the next several years at $23MM per, the pressure on everyone else to perform at a very high level is enormous. And the same is true for Mauer. This season, no one is owning the pressure

by Teo12345 on Aug 19, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have to weigh revenue as well as cost

Joe Mauer is going to bring several times as many people to Target Field to see him play. He’s a squeaky clean hometown boy and he’s probably going to end up being the best catcher of his generation.

Joe Mauer’s value to this team is at least 10x that of what AJ would be.

FIRE DAN EDWARDS!!!

by Flip27 on Aug 19, 2011 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

revenue

It’s a nice point – that Mauer brings in much more revenue than AJ – but revenue cuts both ways. This is especially true with the new stadium. The Twins have wanted outdoor baseball for forever. So, they’re going to get 2 million fans or whatever just by showing up in their second season outside. So then it comes down to the jerseys, the TV ratings and the standings. Mauer, for sure, would sell 10 times the number of jerseys as AJ (at least). But the ratings and the standings, at least this year, are costing the Twins money.

People don’t watch a baseball team on television when the team finishes last. And a team that finishes last doesn’t generate playoff buzz or revenue.

I love that we had the gall to sign a big-time player like Mauer. In retrospect, though, you can see how those contracts are so hard to cash-flow. The player’s gotta play consistently that well for the duration of the contract or the team’s gotta be willing to spend north of $150MM per season. And neither thing happened this year.

So, if you assume a payroll of somewhere around $110MM, you have to at least question the premise of giving $23MM just to Joe. It’s a real challenge.

by Teo12345 on Aug 19, 2011 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

How do you not understand this?
People don’t watch a baseball team on television when the team finishes last. And a team that finishes last doesn’t generate playoff buzz or revenue.

My point is that the revenue Mauer generates likely pays for his contract. If the Twins didn’t have Mauer, then their revenue would be less and thus their payroll would also be less. If you take Mauer off the team, then you don’t have the money you spent on him to spend on someone else. So why not have the best player you can?

Mauer is a far better player than AJ in all aspects, and the net team cost (taking into account revenue generated and contracts) is likely the same. If the Twins are not winning with Mauer, they’re definitely not going to win with AJ either.

At some point you have to admit that you’re just complaining because you want to complain and not because you have any intelligent arguments. Go back to the Strib comments section if you’re just looking throw your temper tantrums about how life’s not fair and your baseball team doesn’t win every single year.

FIRE DAN EDWARDS!!!

by Flip27 on Aug 19, 2011 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

But it's not close

Mauer was more productive in 2008 (or 2009 for that matter) than Pierzysnki has been since 2004 (all years combined)

by archie2227 on Aug 19, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

awesome.

=)

Happy Meals for everybody!

I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.

by montanatwinsfan on Aug 19, 2011 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Model Citizen

First, I am not just blaming the highest paid player. He is a part of the problem but it’s more like he is a symptom. We should be doing much better than we are doing. It’s bad GMing (Young for nobody; Ramos for Capps; Santana for nobody, despite great options like Hughes or Kennedy with Cabrera; Lester or Ellsbury and Lorie). It’s bad bullpen pitching. We’re bad right now and a lot of stuff has to change to get better. But for the AL Central and NL Central, we would be in last place everywhere and our minor league teams stink.

I’m more than shocked that you didn’t just say, “but we don’t have the money to compete with the Yankees.” This is one myth that the Twins have spun over and over. I’m sure you buy into it, too.

  • Between 2001 and 2010, there were nine different teams to win the Series even though the Yankees led payroll in each of those years (only the Red Sox repeated)
  • In 2010, the Twins had roughly the same payroll as the Giants, the eventual champion, and more than twice the payroll of the AL champion Texas Rangers.
  • Even this year, the $113 million payroll puts the Twins in the top third of all teams (2nd,behind CWS in our div) and 15 players make over $1mm. Yet, we’re as likely to finish last as KC< which has a payroll of $85 million LESS than our payroll.

We’ll see how the end of the season goes, but you can’t keep expecting the gate at Target and the viewership on FSN, two big revenue drivers, with a lousy on-field product. It’s especially true in this market, which has a lot of options on beautiful summer nights.

by Teo12345 on Aug 19, 2011 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

You just making up strawmen now?
I’m more than shocked that you didn’t just say, "but we don’t have the money to compete with the Yankees." This is one myth that the Twins have spun over and over. I’m sure you buy into it, too.

Who brought this up? The Twins organization doesn’t allow players and coaches to refer to the “small market” when they talk to the press. That news is several years old.

You’re just making up crap to try and get people to bite. Get a life, dude.

Why are we talking about this here again? We can’t have fun boo-ing the most hated team in professional sports without you starting a flame war? F@#$ off troll!

BOO YANKEES!

by DavidRF on Aug 19, 2011 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions   3 recs

you can give us all a good laugh though.

I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.

by montanatwinsfan on Aug 19, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh man!

I think DavidRF just unbuttoned the top button of his cardigan sweater vest.

IT’S ON!

I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.

by montanatwinsfan on Aug 19, 2011 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Troll

Right, like I am soooo crazy for daring to suggest that a Twins fan would raise the issue of cash!

I must be a troll! Sure — because we Twins fans have never raised the issue of affordability. Ever. Why would we?

Regardless, the point is that Mauer isn’t earning his $23MM this year; Gardy is a lousy manager (at best) and, most importantly, Bill Smith has made some horrendous moves as GM — including (but not limited to) the Delmon deal, the Santana move, and the decisions to load the pen with guys who would likely not have a job in another organization (did you hear that Burnett, Dumatrait & Mjiares?).

by Teo12345 on Aug 19, 2011 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

In this context, yes

Why are we talking about this here? I think you’re just trying to catch people being overly defensive and then jump on their responses. Classic troll behavior.

If you want to seriously discuss the alternate universe where Mauer is a back-up quarterback for the Carolina Panthers then start another thread.

by DavidRF on Aug 19, 2011 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Booooooooooo!

Mine has more "o"’s!

by z-squad on Aug 19, 2011 4:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I obviously win ;)

I called Thome's 596th home run! BOOM! :D

by twinsgirl197 on Aug 19, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

I win!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
Sorry Doug_2050, Brian Wilson is creepier than me.

by Jessy S on Aug 19, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

It got cut off.

You get an incomplete.

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
あなたが深淵に長い間熟視場合、深淵はあなたにも眼差し。 -Nishi

by less cowbell, more 'neau on Aug 19, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

But I have more O's than Twinsgirl

I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
Sorry Doug_2050, Brian Wilson is creepier than me.

by Jessy S on Aug 20, 2011 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn't matter.

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
あなたが深淵に長い間熟視場合、深淵はあなたにも眼差し。 -Nishi

by less cowbell, more 'neau on Aug 20, 2011 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Huh? I didn't even call you a troll.

You #@%!*g troll.

I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.

by montanatwinsfan on Aug 19, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hate cardigans.... ;-)

Sweaters in general… they’re itchy and stretch out too easily.

by DavidRF on Aug 19, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Izod polo?

Somehow I don’t see you as the tie-dyed t-shirt and patchuli type.
You do live in San Fran, don’t you?

I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.

by montanatwinsfan on Aug 19, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Southern cal

Usually golf shirts and jeans.

Every few years a family member gets me a sweater for christmas but I never wear it more than a couple of times

by DavidRF on Aug 19, 2011 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

No that's me

Beads in my hair, magic brownies in the oven, and clothes made of recycled material.

Peace, dude.

And screw the Yankees.

by ColossusOfRhode on Aug 19, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually am getting my hair beaded right now...

but I’m wearing a tshirt and spandex from practice still so I don’t completely fit that description lol

I called Thome's 596th home run! BOOM! :D

by twinsgirl197 on Aug 19, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

stay away from the magic brownies!

leave ’em for me.

I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.

by montanatwinsfan on Aug 19, 2011 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

what are magic brownies anyways?

I have regular brownies in the oven… But I don’t call my deserts magical

I called Thome's 596th home run! BOOM! :D

by twinsgirl197 on Aug 19, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

you bake marijuana into the brownies

Never tried it myself, but is a common joke on the sitcoms.

by DavidRF on Aug 19, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh ok...

I’ve heard them called pot brownies but never magic brownies. Plus I don’t really watch sitcoms

I called Thome's 596th home run! BOOM! :D

by twinsgirl197 on Aug 19, 2011 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

format fail.. forgot that angle brackets don't work

“funny adjective” brownies and people will get the drift

by DavidRF on Aug 19, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

oh ok

I called Thome's 596th home run! BOOM! :D

by twinsgirl197 on Aug 19, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

And you?

Brown hooded toga with the hooked staff?

:-)

by DavidRF on Aug 19, 2011 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

only on saturday nights

I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.

by montanatwinsfan on Aug 19, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

or whenever I'm on this blog

I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.

by montanatwinsfan on Aug 19, 2011 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

eating baby goats, husbanding sheep...

I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.

by montanatwinsfan on Aug 19, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with you on all points except for Mauer

The Fact is that the Twins are hurting bad right now and something has to change. It is likely that both Gardy and Bill Smith will be gone as of early October. It is their responsability that the Twins perform, and that isn’t happening. Trading Delmon Young for used laundry might be the final straw.

I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
Sorry Doug_2050, Brian Wilson is creepier than me.

by Jessy S on Aug 19, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teo12345 is really DHTF using a 2nd account.

Their writing styles and arguments match up too closely to be a coincidence.

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
あなたが深淵に長い間熟視場合、深淵はあなたにも眼差し。 -Nishi

by less cowbell, more 'neau on Aug 19, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

DHTF?

Okay, I have no idea who that is but if it’s someone who actually has the gall to criticize the $23MM man, great. If it’s someone critical of Bill Smith and his ridiculous moves over the last four years, even better.

$112,000,000 to finish last is sign that a lot of things are going in the wrong direction. I think that Jessy is right: unless a lot of things change, Gardy and Billy are in big trouble during the off season.

by Teo12345 on Aug 19, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whatever, DHTF.

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
あなたが深淵に長い間熟視場合、深淵はあなたにも眼差し。 -Nishi

by less cowbell, more 'neau on Aug 19, 2011 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think I could ever bring myself to boo Granderson.

He was a stand-up guy on Detroit, seems to still be one in NY. And yeah, I’d love for him to be a Twin. Ugh.

WordUpThome: BOOM, HAND HUGGED
Tweet me! @jessicann713

by fischean on Aug 19, 2011 12:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

+1

Heard him on KFAN yesterday. Too bad we’ll only ever see him here in the twilight if his career.

by z-squad on Aug 19, 2011 12:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

+1

Although my not-quite-anti-Tigers bias is showing in there too.

by ColossusOfRhode on Aug 19, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think I'd boo him

But I will say that he scares me as much as any opposing player ever. Every time he’s up, I assume he’s going to hit, at minimum, a two-run triple, regardless of whether there are any runners on base. His at-bats during Game 163 in ’09 were pure torture for me.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Aug 19, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a little Thome-like

I wish we didn’t have to play him, but he seems like a really nice guy and, man, wouldn’t it be nice if he ended up playing FOR us instead of against us someday…we can dream.

by dctwin on Aug 19, 2011 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

What about Robinson Cano!?!?

CAN I BOO ROBINSON CANO!?!?!?!?!

"It happened in the moment, and it happened." - Carlos Gomez

by myjah on Aug 19, 2011 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

I boo Robinson Cano

for trying to bat better than Mauer in 2008 and almost getting the batting title instead. And for that really odd bunt last night.

by missles on Aug 19, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

And Nick Swisher?

I’m pretty sure I can boo Nick Swisher right?

"It happened in the moment, and it happened." - Carlos Gomez

by myjah on Aug 19, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

please do.

I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.

by montanatwinsfan on Aug 19, 2011 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

definitely boo Swisher

did you see his attempted takeout slide on Plouffe last night?

by missles on Aug 19, 2011 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just enjoyed all of the lecturing I got on Twitter last night

About how booing Jeter makes me stupid and jealous. Did the same apply to Favre when he was playing for the Packers? What’s that? It did. Well, f*** me, I guess I’m just a stupid, jealous sports fan.

by Dave MN on Aug 19, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

BOO JETER

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

"It happened in the moment, and it happened." - Carlos Gomez

by myjah on Aug 19, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just wanted to state how proud I was of the TF fans last night

When A-Rod when out to shake Thome’s hand during the 600 HR ceremony, I heard boos. Good job, crowd!

by ColossusOfRhode on Aug 19, 2011 2:58 PM EDT reply actions  

But the respectable applause

drowned out the booing.

Hope we see a big round of boos when he bats this weekend though.

I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
Sorry Doug_2050, Brian Wilson is creepier than me.

by Jessy S on Aug 19, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think they were applauding for Thome

Not for the fact A-Rod was out there to congratulate Thome

by spanspanspan on Aug 19, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still

He got way more applause than Bill Smith.

The Crowd stood in Stunned silence as he presented Thome with his diamond starburst instead of a car.

I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
Sorry Doug_2050, Brian Wilson is creepier than me.

by Jessy S on Aug 19, 2011 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

it wasn't a stunned silence

there was a scattering of applause and boos for both Bill Smith and Alex Rodriguez. I cheered for both of them. Thome’s moment didn’t need to be soiled because people dislike those honoring him.

by missles on Aug 19, 2011 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stay Classy, Minnesota

You realize there’s no Twins hate roster for Yankee fans*
(except Carl Pavano, but that’s personal)

I’m going to Sunday’s game. Yes, I’ll cheer for my team, but I have nothing against the Twins. The deal with my MN wife is that the Twinkees have my support, unless they’re playing the Yankees.

by Sean L on Aug 19, 2011 5:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Haha, he's free to share his opinion...

I’ll just let his lack of sense of humor speak for itself. :)

WordUpThome: BOOM, HAND HUGGED
Tweet me! @jessicann713

by fischean on Aug 19, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

you are a better person than me.

I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.

by montanatwinsfan on Aug 19, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey, I could've ripped on the Twins, but I didn't

Because there are certainly no over-paid, under-performing prima donnas on the Twins for me to make fun of.

by Sean L on Aug 19, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Of course the Yankees bear no hatred toward the Twins

During the Gardenhire years the Twins have been the equivalent of the spinach stuck in CC Sanatthia’s teeth after an all-you-can-eat buffet.

The other teams could make trouble for us if they win. — Yogi Berra

by Twnzfan on Aug 19, 2011 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

*Sabathia's teeth

The other teams could make trouble for us if they win. — Yogi Berra

by Twnzfan on Aug 19, 2011 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I completely refuse

to argue class with the Yankee fanbase in general.

Not personal, just saying. Cheer for your team, as you should. Accept that some people, in a jocular sense or otherwise, dislike your team. I hate the Yankees, but I don’t hate you, so if you manage to hear me shouting obscenities from my living room in Iowa, know that it’s not directed at you.

by fastfred on Aug 19, 2011 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Booing CC might be my favorite

I really wish that we would resort to non-stop bunting when he is pitching. Nothing brings me greater joy than his angry face at having to lumber (I almost said waddle, but that seemed mean) off the mound.

by dctwin on Aug 19, 2011 5:57 PM EDT reply actions  

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