Saturday Afternoon Hair of the Dog: Slowey, Cuddyer, Liriano & Accentuating the Positives
Let me tell you what I did today. I nursed a hangover that was partially Twins-based, put down some Chinese food, walked my dog and watched The Adjustment Bureau. And it was good. So there's that. Let's talk about some Twins-related stuff before the they attempt to take down the White Sox in a few hours.
- Last week I made a bid for Kevin Slowey getting another shot with the Twins. Nothing has changed on that front, after Kevin's five-inning, two-run performance on Friday. Over those five frames he allowed seven hits and a pair of walks while striking out six. If he turns in another good performance in a few days and the Twins don't call him up, it'll be time to start asking a few questions about the organization's intentions.
- It sounds like the Twins used not trading Michael Cuddyer as a gesture of good will in order to ask him to take a pay cut over the next two years. Joe Christensen has reported that the Twins tried to sign him to a two-year, $16 million extension. Now, as far as I'm concerned there's no doubt that Cuddyer will earn his $10.5 million salary in 2011, especially if you understand market value for how much every win above replacement costs, but is Cuddy worth $8 million over both his age-33 and age-34 season? He'd need to accumulate something like 6 wins above replacement over '12 and '13 to make that a good deal. Considering Cuddyer's best WAR seasons are two 3.0-win seasons (2011, 2006), 2.8 (2009) and 2.5 (2007), are six wins too much to expect over two years at those ages? Probably.
- Interestingly, but not surprisingly, the Twins were fielding offers on Francisco Liriano prior to last week's trade deadline. Oddly enough the Twins actually valued him quite highly, asking for a very high price in return for the enigmatic southpaw. After the rumors flying around about Denard Span and a relief pitcher, that's good to hear.
- After that disappointing loss to the South Siders last night, I just wanted to point out a few things that we can be happy about. First, Glen Perkins hasn't allowed an earned run since July 9. What an outstanding season he's had. Second, since Tampa plated three runs in an inning against Phil Dumatrait, Duma's made 11 appearances comprising 11.1 innings and just one earned run. His ERA has dropped from 6.06 to 3.90. Third, even Alex Burnett has gotten into the act, recording a 2.79 ERA in his last ten games, striking out 10 in 9.2 innings. Finally, after going 2-for-10 after returning from the disabled list, Jason Kubel has gone 13-for-40 (.325) in his last ten games, hitting two homers and driving in nine runs with a 7-to-4 strikeout-to-walk ratio.
That's all for now, folks. See you for the game!
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While I am ready to see Blackburn sit out a start, let's not get all out of whack with kevin Slowey.
6SO and 2 runs through 5, good. 7 hits and two walks through five, ok. 101 pitches through five, not picking up a QS, and exposing the bullpen, not so hot.
Better than Blackburn, but hardly the type of performance that screams, Gardenhire is an idiot, Bill Smith is a baby rapist.
I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.
Like Jesse, the question might be about intentions
But if they really intend to trade him, wouldn’t it be bet to call him up for a couple starts before the waiver deadline to hopefully maximize whatever value he has left?
haha, you are totally correct.
My comments have no context in this thread, and so I suppose it appears as if I’m responding to Jesse. I’m not.
For the record I’m on board with eveything he wrote above, including Cuddyer. $8 million for two more years seems a bit expensive for the dimpled wonder.
I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.
by montanatwinsfan on Aug 6, 2011 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet he can get something like
3 years, $25 million somewhere. Maybe even more.
I don’t think WAR is complete enough to use only it for assigning value. For example, does Cuddy’s presence in the clubhouse help the other guys play better? Does he draw fans? Does he sell merchandise? Things like that.
What's the estimate cost of 1 WAR?
I’d always heard it was in the $4M-5M range, which means Cuddy would only need to generate 4 WAR over the contract to make it a sound decision.
fangraphs has Blackburn
at .4 WAR worth $1.9million.
Mauer at .9 and ‘worth’ 4.1 million, so it looks like fangraphs has 2011 WAR value at about 4$million/
I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.
by montanatwinsfan on Aug 6, 2011 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe fan graphs uses $4.5M
And has been pretty much consistent over the past few years.
by Adam Peterson on Aug 6, 2011 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions
It hasn't been $2.5 million in over 10 years.
The lowest it’s been in the last decade was two winters ago, when it was about $3.4MM/win.
Last year
COULD have been the year. But Nathan went down almost immediately in spring training… and Morneau went down at the halfway mark. With that pair healthy all year who knows how deep they could’ve gotten. This team is cursed.
2009,wasnt that the year cuddy hit 32 hrs?
Im surprised his WAR wasnt higher. What was bautista’s WAR last year?
A-rod's salary? 30 Million, Evan Longoria's? 1M, god i love life as a rays fan
by RaysOfHope on Aug 7, 2011 1:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Cuddy loses points for his defense
He has an outstanding arm, but doesn’t have the greatest range.
Regarding Slowey
Is he near a service time break where he will lose a year toward free agency by sitting in the minors?
I doubt it
Most of this year counts as major league service time. He was optioned two weeks ago. Prior to that, he was on the major league DL.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Cots had him at 3 years, 63 days before the season started
And he spent about 115 days on the active roster before being optioned. So he should be into his second Arb. year.

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