FA Status of Michael Cuddyer and Jason Kubel
So by now most baseball fans know just how important utilizing the MLB Free Agent compensation system to an organization's advantage is (just look at Tampa Bay and Toronto in the 2011 Rule IV draft as examples). We also know that Jason Kubel and Michael Cuddyer are teetering on the edge of being ranked as Type A Free Agents by Elias' rating system based on their play in the 2010 and 2011 seasons, and for the OF/1b/DH grouping, the Elias rankings are based on the following: PA, AVG, OBP, HR, RBI.
As Type B Free Agents each would only garner a supplemental draft pick for the Twins if Minnesota offers arbitration and they decline and sign elsewhere. As Type A Free Agents, assuming the Twins offer arbitration and each declines (I find both likely at this point), the Twins would gain an extra 1st rd pick (or 2nd rd pick from a bottom-15 team; top 15 picks in the first round are protected) from a team that signed either one as a Free Agent as well as a supplemental pick for each. So the difference between them being Type A and Type B Free Agents could mean the difference between gaining 2 top 60 picks (supplemental picks) and 4 top 60 picks (first round picks and supplemental picks).
And given the relative lack of OF options on the free agent market this year, Kubel and Cuddyer figure to be two of the most highly sought after FA's on the market. Carlos Beltran figures to be the most in demand since he has a contract clause which precludes the Giants from offering him arbitration after the season and thus will cost a signing team no draft pick compensation. But after him, Kubel and Cuddyer are probably the two best FA options, given age and talent.
It's worth noting that Matt Capps would qualify as a Type A Free Agent (if this example alone doesn't illustrate there is a flaw in the current system, I don't know what does) but the Twins would be fairly insane to offer him arbitration knowing that he could accept a 1-year deal in the $9-10M range through arbitration. So we'll just focus on Cuddyer and Kubel's cases and what the next month means for them and the Twins.
More after the jump.
For all projections, the best source I know of is Eddie Bajek's reverse-engineered ranking projections, found here:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/08/elias-rankings-update-2.html
As of the August 24th update, Jason Kubel ranked as the highest rated Type B in the American League DH/1b/OF grouping, with a score of 72.069. To be considered a Type A FA, you need to be in the top 20% in your position group. So essentially, Kubel needs to have a good month and pass one of the following players:
Josh Willingham Oakland 76.522 OF
Kevin Youkilis Boston 75.789 1b
Delmon Young Detroit 75.507 OF
Carl Crawford Boston 75.362 OF
Jacoby Ellsbury Boston 74.783 OF
These are the players Kubel seems to have the only realistic shot of passing in this grouping. Of note:
Kevin Youkilis has now played 105 games at 3b in 2010-2011, and 105 games at 1b in 2010-2011. So if he plays more games at 3b than 1b over the next month (all but a lock when Adrian Gonzalez plays 1b) he should shift into a different grouping. This is the most realistic chance of Kubel becoming a Type A, unless he has a much better month in the Elias rankings formula than one of the other Boston players or, ironically, Delmon Young. Too funny. I think he makes it based on Kevin Youkilis' status though. But basically, root against these Boston players this month and for Kubel. It helps that Kubel's smacked a couple of HR's since this August 24th projection update.
Michael Cuddyer:
This case is perplexing to me. Cuddyer has been one of the highest ranked Type A's in Bajek's projections all year until the last 2 updates, where he's fallen behind even Kubel. Many have speculated that this is based on Cuddyer's games played at 1b vs. OF over the last 2 seasons. But that doesn't seem to make sense given that OF's and 1b are in the same grouping. Still, if that is the reason for his drop, as seems to be the case, then the Twins still have control over his status. In the July 26th projection from Bajek, for instance, Cuddyer ranked as an OF'er with a 81.549 rating and was in the top 10 of all FA's in the rankings, at all positions and in both leagues. As of this date, Michael Cuddyer has played 130 games at 1b in 2010 and 2011 and 131 games in the OF. So he should shift back to his status as a Type A in the newest projection. Failing that, Cuddyer's ranking is currently at 68.421 and these are the Type B's ahead of him, plus the Type A's listed above:
Jason Kubel Minnesota 72.609 OF
Bobby Abreu Los Angeles 70.290 OF
Vladimir Guerrero Baltimore 70.000 DH
Carlos Quentin Chicago 68.986 OF
Based on the above, it's going to be hard for Cuddyer to pass these players given his current injury status. So in his case, we have to hope that his ranking will shift again based on his OF/1b status. If that's the case, the Twins better pay attention the next month or so and insure that he plays more games in the OF than at 1b. Play Plouffe at 1b, Mauer, Morneau, Kubel, or whoever. I don't care. Just keep Michael Cuddyer away.
In summation, I still think it's likely that Kubel and Cuddyer both make it as Type A FA's by the end of this year based on position status (Cuddyer's and Youkilis') but it's going to be close. We should be rooting for both of these guys this next month to do well, if nothing else to give the Twins more leverage and options as they go into a 2012 offseason that will be riddled with questions and a lot of tough work to do.
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This should be bumped to the main page. Rec'd.
I highly doubt Gardenhire would ever consider the likelihood of Type A/B status when filling out his lineup card every day. I think it’s more about who’s healthy and whether or not he has 9 players who are.
If I were Bill Smith, I would offer arbitration to both Cuddyer and Kubel regardless of whether they’re Type A or B. I think there’s about a 95% chance that one of them declines and a 75% chance that both decline. Even if they somehow both accept arbitration, you can move one of them (probably Kubel) and get something of value in return. As you mentioned, the free agent market for outfielders will be very thin this winter.
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And I’d rate the chances of both declining even higher than that, whether they’re Type A or Type B. I really think given age that Kubel may be the most sought after FA OF’er on the market. He has to know that he’s going to get paid, in his prime. Or at least his agent should. And Cuddyer knows that this is probably his last chance for a big, multi-year deal. And he’ll also be in high demand being a great clubhouse guy, a RH bat with power, and productive the last couple years. I’d be completely shocked if either one accepted an arbitration offer. I do think the Twins will try to sign at least one of them (we know they’ve opened talks with both, from the reports) and I guess I’m okay with that. This offense looks a lot different without both Kubel and Cuddyer in it. But the flipside of the coin is the possibility of utilizing that money in other areas or on other cheaper OF’s while at the same time improving flexibility (defense) and getting those draft picks as compensation. A guy like David DeJesus, for example, will be on the market. The development of Benson, Revere, and Parmelee over the next month are going to be HUGE factors on the direction this team takes with Cuddyer and Kubel IMO.
Also, I realize that Gardy won’t concern himself with the Type A/B status, and that’s fine; that’s not his job. But Bill Smith certainly should. And he should make it clear to Gardy that Cuddyer should be playing OF as much as possible this month. Wins at this point in this season for this team mean a whole lot less than the future of this team. And 1 or 2 top-60 picks are nothing to sneeze at.
thanks Jesse...
I finally made the front page! haha
You are right
However I don’t think the Twins front office is worried about the status of anybody at this point. They are likely more worried about the status of Bill Smith and Ron Gardenhire. It is going to shock almost everybody knowing that Gardy will likely be fired for what happened this season.
With that said, the chances of us losing both Cuddyer and Kubel are very high. In a recent trip to Anaheim, (we go back this weekend, yay late night baseball) it was revealed that Kubel would want to get closer to the west coast, and he would be a cheaper signing by the Giants who will lose Carlos Beltran to the Yankees (just guessing, but they would want to keep him from rivals such as the Phillies and Boston.) Also, Rumors recently stated that the Rockies were interested in Cuddyer and who wouldn’t want a chance to hit home runs at Coors Field.
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Couple of things...
While I’d advocate firing Bill Smith and Gardenhire (have for a while now) I seriously doubt the Twins will. They are fiercely loyal.
I don’t see Beltran going to the Yankees, or any other FA OF’er for that matter. They have Swisher for 2012 (I see them picking up his option) and Granderson and Gardner have both performed pretty good. Plus they do have to think about transitioning Jeter. I think their big splash will be CJ Wilson, not OF’ers.
As for Kubel being cheaper than Beltran, I’m not sure that’s true. Kubel is in his prime and Beltran will be 35 next season. That makes a big difference. Plus their statuses; you don’t have to give up anything to get Beltran; you have to give up a 1st rder (if he reaches Type A) for Kubel.
I do think there’s a decent chance the Twins aren’t able to sign either one though. I think they might (just speculation on my part) be undervaluing what each can fetch on the open market. And honestly, as I said, a good argument can be made for not re-signing either one, collecting the picks, and looking for cheaper stopgap solutions in the OF and at DH until guys like Benson, Hicks, Morales, Parmelee, and Arcia are ready. All 4 of those guys could be ready within 2 years.
I don't think they like that much risk
I think they will ultimately match whatever Cuddyer gets as a best offer. They could play it smooth and let both go while replacing them on the cheap with DeJesus and Ryan Ludwick but I don’t think Bill Smith does things that way.
I agree completely...
just saying what I would do/playing Devil’s advocate. The big issue to me is flexibility. Cuddyer and Kubel will each require at least 3-4 year commitments. But the Twins should have a bevy of capable, cheap OF/DH options within 2 years. So I’m not sure that’s wise.
Understatement of the century
“Granderson and Gardner have both performed pretty good”
Seriously? Granderson’s vying for the league lead in HRs while putting up otherwise great CF numbers (legitimately worth MVP consideration) and Gardner’s been getting a lot of defensive WAR/UZR lovin’ to the point where you could argue he’s been the most valuable defender in the league.
true...
touche sir.
Really was just saying that I don’t see them “upgrading” in the OF with the options they currently have. Swisher has been hitting quite well for the last few months as well, and I think his option is a virtual no-brainer to pick up.
definitely agree with your point
Great read, though. Are the Twins daredevil enough to offer Capps arbitration? I mean if I was GM I’d have to be thinking of an impromptu draft push this year.
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I think they’d be crazy to offer Capps arbitration.
He’s likely to accept, as he’d stand a good chance of making around $9-10M for 1 year. And it’s a pretty good year for “established” closers on the market. These guys are all potential FA’s as of now:
Heath Bell
Jonathan Broxton
Francisco Cordero ($12M club option/$1M buyout)
Frank Francisco
Brad Lidge ($12.5M club option/$1.5M buyout)
Joe Nathan ($12.5M club option/$2M buyout)
Jonathan Papelbon
Francisco Rodriguez
Rafael Soriano ($11M player option/$1.5M buyout)
Jose Valverde ($9M club option/no buyout)
That’s a pretty strong market there. If he had a good year, I probably would have risked it; but not now. I just don’t see any team giving up their 1st (or 2nd) rd pick for Matt Capps.
I think the real problem was not offering several guys arbitration this past offseason; IMO (and I did say so at the time) we should have offered on all of Matt Guerrier, Jon Rauch, and Brian Fuentes. Fuentes and Rauch both wanted shots to close and wanted to move on and Matt Guerrier was going to get a multi-year deal more than what he made through 1 year in arbitration. Plus, if 1-2 of those guys (worst case) accepted, a) they’d still be very tradeable on 1-year deals, and b) they all would have really helped the pen this year if they accepted.
Honestly I think offering any of those 3 guys arbitration made more sense than tendering Capps this offseason. But the Twins love “established closers” (uggh) and wanted to try to save face with the Ramos trade.
oh, and btw, if those 3 guys decline...
that means 4 more top draft picks to the Twins. They should have taken note as to how the Blue Jays and Rays handled their FA reliever arbitration decisions last year. Big lost opportunity there for the Twins.
And here is the thing
Matt Capps has been pitching well lately. How long before Gardy tries the set-up role on Capps. Given that Glen Perkins gave up three runs yesterday and wasn’t pitching very well as of late, Capps should be the way to go. This way they could try advertising a used pitcher.
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Disagree
It is worth a lot for both Kubel and Cuddyer to be Type A Free Agents. Both will play almost all the time (barring injury) and Cuddy will find himself in RF most of the time.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Sep 1, 2011 3:49 PM EDT reply actions
just to clarify...
you’re disagreeing with Jessy, right? Because what you’re saying is absolutely the point of my post.
Disagreeing
Yes I’m disagreeing with Jessy. Both Smith and Gardy realize what Type A means—either draft picks or driving down the cost of re-signing either or both players. Much more important than winning games at this point.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Sep 1, 2011 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotcha, figured, just wanted to make sure...
I’m not sure Gardy understands it at all; in fact I’d bet he doesn’t. But that’s not a big issue; he’s not paid to know that. It’s Bill Smith’s job, and he SHOULD be in Gardy’s ear about it.
But
Gardy’s job is to try to put the best possible product on the field. That is why the front office isn’t concerned about the status of either Kubel or Cuddyer.
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he can put the best product on the field...
while still playing Cuddy in the OF instead of 1b. Hell, Kubel could probably handle 1b as well as Cuddy. I’ve advocated using him there for a long time now to see what he has and see if he could be an insurance policy for Morneau there. And he was taking grounders at 1b when Mauer started too as well.
I was partually referring to last Tuesday Night's game vs the White Sox
There Cuddyer had a wild throw to second that basically cost the Twins the game. In that one, Gardy must have wanted a lineup of bats where Cuddy would have had to play first. The Twins were not to interested in anybody’s free agent status and aside from Cuddy’s error, the pitching staff let the team down that night.
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He didn't have Mauer or Morneau
I suppose they could have put Hughes at first and Plouffe at second or vice versa. I think, in Gardy’s mind, that Cuddyer is an outfield playing first base, but if he has enough good-hitting OFs, he won’t hesitate to use Cuddy at first. I don’t expect any further call-ups for the OF, unless it is Benson, so Cuddy would play before Repko and Tosoni.
by Alexi Casilla All-Star on Sep 2, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought...
the FO learned their lesson about waiting until the last minute to negotiate re-signing a player you want to keep with Torii? Old habits die hard, I guess. : ?
Elias Rankings, baseball slotting system for amatuer draft compensation
I think the system needs revising…. Its ridiculous how last year for instance, the Rays picked about 11 times before the K.C. Royals had their 2nd pick!
Liriano, Mijares, Angel Morales, & Anthony Swarzak for Josh Johnson and Brad Hand
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 2, 2011 4:32 AM EDT reply actions
Twins could have had more picks
if they’d made some arb offers.
Especially when it comes to relief pitchers
It is borderline criminal how a crappy starting pitcher (Matt Guerrier) can move into the bullpen and become eligible for Type A free agent compensation. They need to rank pitchers as a whole as a group. Then the IP numbers for starters will overwhelm relief pitchers and they will fall to the bottom of the list.
by DJL44 on Sep 2, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think I'd agree man, for sure
Liriano, Mijares, Angel Morales, & Anthony Swarzak for Josh Johnson and Brad Hand
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 3, 2011 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions
The Rays front office just knew how to play the system.
They knew that they were a farm team for the Red Sox and Yankees so they went into the stretch run with a plan to get as many picks as possible in the upcoming draft (2011). It is the exact same thing as the Dallas Cowboys did when they picked up massive amounts of picks in the Herchel Walker trade.
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"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
well, yeah I'm not saying their in the wrong at all..... they knew what they were doing
but when Chad Qualls, among others netted them like the 48th overall pick or whatever ….it gets a little hazy for me
Hey it is amazing you lood at Desmond Jennings (farm kid who replaced Crawford) and Carl Crawford’s #‘s -Desmond actually outperformed him a touch and he’s played in less games!
Liriano, Mijares, Angel Morales, & Anthony Swarzak for Josh Johnson and Brad Hand
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Sep 3, 2011 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions

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