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Royals 4, Twins 0: Bruce Chen Shuts Down the Twins

Just because I think Jose Valverde is a D-bag.

The Twins are one game closer to losing 100 games this season. There was reason for a little optimism last night in Kansas City, as Jason Kubel and Michael Cuddyer both returned to the Twins lineup. But the Royals had perennial All Star Cliff Lee on the mound, and he shut down the Twins lineup, allowing only two hits and a walk over eight sharp innings. According to MLB.com, Gardy said the following about Lee:

"He was pretty good tonight. I've seen him do that to a lot of clubs. I'm not about to get after that guy because he pitched his tail off and he took advantage of our hitters. If they weren't swinging right or weren't swinging good, then Mr. Lee was the reason why they weren't doing it."

Oh wait, it wasn't Cliff Lee out there. It was the immortal Bruce Chen, the same guy the Twins have pounded for 17 hits in just over 17 innings in two starts this season. But those starts were in April and July, before the Twins lineup was dominated by minor leaguers. Sorry Gardy, I know you're probably tired of ripping these guys, but when a team that has been limited to one run or fewer a total of 14 times in its last 24 games, it's probably a sign of a feeble offense rather than an ace level performance from the opposing starter.

Duds

Everyone with a bat. And the defense, as Joe Benson and Trevor Plouffe both committed throwing errors.

Studs

I don't think I can call anyone a "stud". Carl Pavano wasn't terrible, giving up 4 runs (3 earned) over 7 innings. But he gave up 11 more hits and 2 home runs, continuing his impression of Livan Hernandez. Only less effective. Lester Oliveros wasn't very good, giving up a hit and a walk over less than an inning. Maybe Jose Mijares gets the "stud" of the night, as he faced one batter, striking out Alex Gordon looking. Yay!

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by clutterheart on Sep 14, 2011 8:11 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I can not wait until Valverde blows his first save attempt in the playoffs..

I want a front row seat for that one.

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!!!

by bf4mvp on Sep 14, 2011 8:55 AM EDT reply actions  

I tried to watch this game

I really did… but I had to turn it off. These are dark times… 100 loses here we come

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by caluofmn on Sep 14, 2011 9:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Valverde Makes a great Create a Caption

Here he is crying over the corpse of his wife, son daughter, sister, brother, mother, or father. Maybe he just got done murdering a total stranger or is in the process of doing so. That picture looks a lot creepier than anything I said on this site.

Of course, we really do know that the Twins were the intended victim. This team has no heart and soul and it shows after last night’s performance. Joe Mauer got a hit, Whoop-de-do. I got clobbered the last few days simply because I didn’t like a Jon Marthaler column, and got a warning simply for venting frustration right after Saturday’s loss, and did apologize for it. Maybe it is just me, but this full season has been a full clusterf**k. This organization has gone from sound fundamental baseball to aiming a paint ball cannon at a wall and hoping it doesn’t make a mess of things. Guess what, the gun fired on April 1st and we have the giant mess that is the Minnesota Twins 2011 season. Yes injuries were a part of it, but a lot of the injuries were due to poor conditioning practices put together by Twins field management. The only injury that can be excused is the one where beeping Nick Swisher (you will be forgiven if you join the Twins, Nick (: ) injured Nishi while trying to break up a double play. I understand, these things happen, but every other injury is on Twins Management. This includes all pitcher elbow injuries where I heard recently that the slider pitch may be the cause. In the end, the Twins will likely do what they should have done after July 24th and that is say goodbye to both Michael Cuddyer and Jason Kubel. Tom Kelly said directly, on a Twins telecast before the trade deadline that if the Twins don’t finish at least 8-4 during the 12 game homestand that directly followed the all-star break, that the Twins would have to be sellers. Guess what, Bill Smith tried to sell Denard Span to the Nationals while the Giants could have easily taken a much better option in either Kubel or Cuddyer. Instead, both are like inmates counting down the date to their release. What else is clear about this team is the fact that, as fans, we can stay away from the team all we want. The truth is that the players can’t and they have to go out and finish the season. However, the truth is Why finish the season? There isn’t any fire or life in this team. If the objective is to finish with less than 100 losses, then fine have a ball and play your hearts out, but at this point, it is clear that we will likely get more than 100 losses, but could have the number one draft pick as well. After this debacle of a season, I don’t know who would still be supporting Ron Gardenhire as manager of this ball club. I suppose only a dim-witted dog like Odie would do so. But the fact remains, the Twins have had a horrible season that was uncalled for from the start. At this point in time, the Twins are much worse than the 74 win ball club from 1990 which was the previous worst for a core group of players who were veterans at that time. However, that club could be excused because the 1990 AL West was competitive with the White Sox, A’s, and Royals also competing for a title. This season, it will be hard to finish last with a .457 winning percentage unless the Twins were in the AL East with that mark. So, what will it be Twins? More losing with the same core next season? Or are we going to right the ship by cleaning house? I vote for cleaning house with both Bill Smith and Gardy out and a fundamentals guy in as the new manager. Then I want the entire team to report to spring training on February 1st, 2012 to work out the kinks and get ready for the 2012 season. We need to create a team that is hungry for a World Championship. This core isn’t hungry for anything except money.

Last but not least, all the above is honestly what I feel at this point in time. If you disagree with me, fine. But no more personal attacks against me please. If I deem a poster made a personal attack against me, they will be flagged. This is a community that exists to discuss the Minnesota Twins and isn’t an attack machine against posters you don’t like.

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by Jessy S on Sep 14, 2011 9:15 AM EDT reply actions  

I guess I'm a dim witted dog like Odie

because I don’t see Gardy as the problem. He’s been a successful manager for the Twins and really he can only do so much with what Bill Smith gives him. It’s not like he all of sudden doesn’t know how to manage the team. There’s a lot of issues with this team but I don’t think Gardy is the problem.

"Somebody once asked me if I ever went up to the plate trying to hit a home run. I said, 'Sure, every time." --Mickey Mantle

by ilovethetwins on Sep 14, 2011 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

fire Gary!

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by caluofmn on Sep 14, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's truly an organizational problem, more now than ever before

I can’t stand the “Gardy is entirely without blame!” mentality (especially from those who are just as quick to insist he should be credited for every little success), but at this point, as with last year’s playoff sweep, I feel like it’s truly an organizational issue. In this case, the front office, training staff, and talent-scouting are the greatest culprits, and will likely continue to be until they change. Simply put, if the team made all the changes it needed to but still kept Gardy as manager, I’d have faith in them.

When I was a kid, I would cover a blue futon with a white blanket, prop it up with a fan set on high, and pretend it was the Metrodome. That should tell you a lot.

by MarshalltheIrish on Sep 14, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No

They are playing like they don’t care what the result is going to be. If they get a win, that is fine, but if they don’t, that is fine too. Like I said above, the players are treating the final few weeks of the season just like an inmate treats his impending release from prison. This counts especally for both Kubel and Cuddyer because they don’t have to return to Minnesota in 2012.

I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew

by Jessy S on Sep 15, 2011 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

What?

No. No matter what, these guys are still professional ballplayers. You think they just gave up? Not to mention all the rookies getting their first look at the bigs. I can almost guarantee they’re trying very hard (they may not be good, but that’s another story).

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by fischean on Sep 15, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know how you blame the injuries on Gardy. Coming into Spring Training, Mauer was recovering from knee surgery, Morneau was still suffering concussion symptoms, and there were a few others. If you want to blame anybody, which seems to be one of the only 2 things on here that you do, blame the training staff.

by Brady Eyestone on Sep 14, 2011 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hasn't that been the theme of this entire season?

That they needed better backup plans & depth?

That’s been my take-away, anyway.

"...and we'll see ya tomorrow night!" - Jack Buck, Game 6, 1991 World Series

by WindyCityTwinsFan on Sep 14, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get what you are saying

But doesn’t the training staff answer to Gardy? If so, the number one priority for the Twins should have been to make sure that both Mauer and Morneau were ready for the season. Number Two would have been to make sure everybody else was ready for the season. Number three was to have been to make sure Rochester doesn’t suffer a second streight 90-loss season. The Twins failed on all accounts.

I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew

by Jessy S on Sep 14, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who's the "core?"

Bill Smith and Gardy? Even if I bought into your theory about “not hungry for anything except imoney,” the playoffs and a WS win would bring them even more money, much more than finishing last or even 2nd in the AL Central.

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Sep 14, 2011 4:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Manager Ron Gardenhire
1st baseman Justin Morneau
Center Fielder Denard Span
Right Fielder Jason Kubel
Outfielder Michael Cuddyer
Catcher Joe Mauer
Infielder Alexi Casilla

Pitchers:
Scott Baker
Francisco Liriano
Kevin Slowey
Nick Blackburn
Joe Nathan

I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew

by Jessy S on Sep 14, 2011 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Bill Smith?

Doesn’t explain away your “hungry for money” statement.

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"I am laughing right now. Am I insane?" Jessy S

by less cowbell, more 'neau on Sep 14, 2011 5:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

The General Manager

Is important, but he doesn’t affect the day to day operations of the team at the field level. Example, know those expensive free agents that your GM signed last winter, the field manager doesn’t have to play them. Besides that, the core is the group of players most counted on to lead the team to victory and the GM is nowhere to be found.

I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew

by Jessy S on Sep 15, 2011 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not good at all

Basically it means that you are tabbed for three major violations that the moderators will decide if there is action to be taken. Those violations are the following:
Spam: where you basically advertise a site in the comments section without paying SB Nation and don’t contribute to the conversation at all.

Troll: Basically you are just being a dick and getting everybody mad at you. Yes people are entitled to their own free speech, but you don’t need to be endlessly posting comments and getting on everybody’s nerve.

Inapproapate: Here you are attacking another person or hurting their feelings to the point that the comment is offensive and hurtful to the other person. Example: I didn’t like an article that was posted on this site on Monday and was attacked for that.

I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew

by Jessy S on Sep 15, 2011 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

So let me understand this...

You were considering flagging Jon’s humorous article on the Twins training staff, which was almost universally well received (except for you). It seems, sir, that you might not be judging posts using the same criteria as most.
I get that your feelings were hurt, and some may have been a bit harsh, but to some extent you are making yourself a target. Slow down man, it’s not a contest.

by z-squad on Sep 15, 2011 9:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Someone just asked me

What if Morneau became the full time DH so Mauer becomes the regular 1B.

I hope that does it happen but I want to see the M&M boys (remember that? Yeah, me neither) in the lineup again.

Let’s hope next year the real Twins show up.

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by caluofmn on Sep 14, 2011 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Do not want

If Morneau becomes the regular DH, then they should sign a scrap-heap first base free agent (or re-sign Cuddy to play first full-time) and leave Mauer to be the league’s best catcher.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Sep 14, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct

Casey Kotchman is going to outhit almost any catcher they can find.

by DJL44 on Sep 14, 2011 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mauer is not the leagues best catcher anymore.

He is probably 3rd or 4th, and I haven’t looked that closely, but I can think of at least that many that I would rather have.

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!!!

by bf4mvp on Sep 14, 2011 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fangraphs' Take

McCann is close, and Avila is having a good year, but this author says Mauer is still the best.

"...and we'll see ya tomorrow night!" - Jack Buck, Game 6, 1991 World Series

by WindyCityTwinsFan on Sep 14, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Like Tiger Woods is still the golfer in the world, Michael Jordan is still the best basketball player in the world, and John MacEnroe is still the best tennis player in the world. I am not bemeaning Joe Mauer or anything, but his play clearly has fallen off this season. Still he is one of the best defensive catchers in the league, and we found out this season that he can clearly play right field and first base while Michael Cuddyer makes a good pitcher.

I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew

by Jessy S on Sep 14, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

you need to actually play catcher

to be one of the best catchers

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by caluofmn on Sep 14, 2011 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Then play him at catcher when he is healthy!

This is not rocket science.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Sep 15, 2011 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

+100

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by caluofmn on Sep 15, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

that should read

I hope that it doesn’t happen but I want to see…

damn job getting in the way of my posting.

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by caluofmn on Sep 14, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shut out by the Royals

Is this “rock bottom” yet?

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Sep 14, 2011 4:24 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

No!

Rock bottom will be clenching the first overall pick in the 2012 MLB Draft on the last day of the season following the completion of a 18 game losing streak while the Astros finish on a roll.

I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew

by Jessy S on Sep 14, 2011 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

this is just sad

or the mid 90’s…

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by caluofmn on Sep 14, 2011 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

But those teams were full of young players that didn't exactly pan out at the major league level.

This team is filled with veterans that knew how to win. The question is why didn’t they win then?

I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew

by Jessy S on Sep 15, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

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