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The 2011 Minnesota Twins in Terms of R.E.M. Albums

R.E.M. broke up on Wednesday.  They were my favorite band growing up, and although we drifted apart as we grew older, we remained close. 

The Twins will be done playing next Wednesday.  They were among the favorites in the AL Central, and although we drifted apart as they grew unwatchable, we remained close.

Here, then, are the REM albums and which 2011 Minnesota Twin they most closely resemble.

Chronic Town: Trevor Plouffe.  Their 5-song debut EP (which I have on cassette because I am that old) contains the following lyric: "We'll stumble through the yard." 

Murmur: Kevin Slowey.  The band's debut LP (if you need to have the difference between an EP and an LP explained to you, ask your oldest living relative), it's generally considered the high-water mark of their early work and put R.E.M. on the map for the cool college kids who would say, "They're pretty obscure, you've never heard of them."  Michael Stipe mumbles a lot on this record, so he might say "Sisyphus" at some point.  Or he's just clearing his throat. 

Reckoning: Jason Kubel.  My favorite R.E.M. album.  My favorite current Twin.  Professional.  I think Peter Buck had a beard then. 

Fables of the Reconstruction: Joe Mauer and Justin Morneau. The post-Civil War South was a defeated, scarred, burning mess with an uncertain future.  But other than that, I see no reason for concern.

Lifes Rich Pagaent: Michael Cuddyer.  There's an amazing song called Superman on this.  Superman wore a cape.  I assume Cuddy wears a cape when he's doing his magic tricks.  Yeah, that'll work.

Dead Letter Office: Joe Benson, Chris Parmelee, Kyle Waldrop, Luke Hughes, Jim Hoey, Brian Dinkelman, Trevor Plouffe again.  A collection of B-sides, covers and studio goofs that show flashes of brilliance but otherwise demonstrate why they weren't ready for primetime.

Document: Kevin Slowey again.  Their breakthrough, featuring their first songs that got significant radio play (The One I Love, It's the End of the World As We Know It).  The less-cool kids started liking them.  Kevin Slowey does not approve, and gets really into the Minutemen (you haven't heard of them).

Eponymous: Drew Butera.  This is a "greatest hits" collection for a band that didn't have very many hits.  Drew Butera doesn't have very many hits.  These aren't all going to be comedy gold, folks.

Green: Tsuyoshi Nishioka.  He's inexperienced, or "green," you see.  And "Stand"ing is what ended up breaking his leg.  Get it?  GET IT?

Out of Time: Danny Valencia.  "That's him at the corner, that's him in the spotlight, losing Gardy's confidence and potentially his starting job in 2012."  (Again, Weird Al has nothing to worry about.  He could probably even make that rhyme and plug in a food reference.)

Automatic for the People: Ben Revere.  Phenomenal range: automatic.  Popgun arm: automatic.  Blazing speed: automatic.  Comebackers: automatic.

Monster: Jim Thome.  Not because of his "monster" home runs, but because he really liked it when Stipe quit mumbling and the band went in more of an electric than acoustic direction.  (Okay, it's because of the home runs.)

New Adventures in Hi-Fi: Nick Blackburn.  There is a song on here called Binky the Doormat, which is a reference from the Bobcat Goldthwait alcoholic clown movie, "Shakes the Clown." Binky the Doormat is an adequate description of how opposing hitters treated Blackburn most of the season.

All the Albums after This: former Twin J. J. Hardy.  These albums were made without original drummer Bill Berry, who left the band in 1997.  While there are some worthy songs on these records, none of the albums held together like previous releases.  It was almost as if losing Berry robbed the band of its...power (zing!). 

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I was just talking about R.E.M. the other day.

Monster was one of the first albums (okay, cds) I ever bought. Oasis (Definitely Maybe), Weezer (Blue Alburm) and Green Day (Dookie) rounded out the first four pieces of music I ever bought.

by Jesse on Sep 23, 2011 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

First 4

B52’s – Cosmic Thing
Jesus Jones – Doubt
REM – Out of Time
Pixies – Trompe Le Monde

I still own the Pixies album.

by DJL44 on Sep 23, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can't go wrong with the Pixies

I don’t own any albums, because now as soon as I buy them and upload them to the ‘puter, I donate them to the library. But my first were from one of those "c’mon, you get 10 for free" deals that my idiot 18-year-old self gladly signed onto. (Fine print: you have to buy a zillion more at twice the retail price, and if you don’t return the monthly postcard by such-and-such a date, you’ll get the newest Billy Joel or Yo-Yo Ma and be stuck for the cost.)

When I got my first, I was enjoying getting out from under the thumb of a bad, bad home situation where all rock-and-roll was evil (anti-the-Jesus), and I was literally flying blind, picking at random. I don’t remember what most of the albums were, but three were the Talking Heads, Elvis Costello, and R.E.M. In each case the voices were so much more distinctive than the shiny happy inspirational garbage my parents listened to that I fell in love immediately, and vowed to hear more. I did, and I’m still in love.

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Sep 23, 2011 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Still have about 1000 CDs

1) Don’t trust the computer and want a backup
2) CDs sound a lot better
3) Haven’t even thought of digitizing most of them, why bother

REM albums I don’t have
Out of Time
Up
Reveal
Chronic Town
Dead Letter Office
Around the Sun

The last 2 albums have been very good. I was so pleased that REM didn’t suck any more. Of course I like Monster and think people don’t play Pretty Persuasion enough.

by DJL44 on Sep 23, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Avoid "Around The Sun" like you'd avoid a venereal disease

Except the single, “Leaving New York,” which should be easy to illegally download. Chronic Town — an essential — comes with the B-side collection “Dead Letter Office,” which is hit-and-miss. “Up” is the band’s attempt to go on without their drummer, who insisted he wouldn’t allow the others to quit, and “Reveal” is the sequel. Nobody’s too excited or too annoyed by “Reveal,” it’s generally well-liked, with some good songs. People get pretty passionate about “Up.” It’s either a disaster, or a dark, dark, Radiohead-style mood record that gets better with every listening but sounds bland at first. I’m obviously in the second camp but I can’t blame anyone for hating that album because they miss Mike Mills.

“Out Of Time” has the big single “Losing My Religion,” which might bore people at this point, but it has other songs that are cool (and some that stink.) The second half is one of the best makeout records ever, along with “Rubber Soul” and the second sides of “Midnite Vultures” and “Let It Bleed.” The track “Country Feedback” is by itself worth illegally downloading purchasing from ITunes.

And thank you for liking “Monster.” It’s underrated.

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Sep 23, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've heard Out of Time

Heard it enough to not need to hear it anymore. I’ve heard the others at least once but never purchased.

by DJL44 on Sep 23, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best option

Get “Dead Letter Office” (which has Chronic Town on it) from your library. If you like it, buy it. And, if you get it from a Minnesota library, it’s probably the copy I donated.

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Sep 23, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Up: Scott Baker

Because that’s where he throws his fastball.

Because that’s where he leaves everything when he isn’t pitching well.

Because that’s where all of his fly balls go…plus, “and away”.

by Jesse on Sep 23, 2011 11:18 AM EDT reply actions  

Thank you so, so much for this

I felt I was the only person in the Holy American Empire who felt a little sadder, and a little older, by the news. Hard to make concrete jokes because the best R.E.M. songs were about, essentially, nothing more concrete than music. Yeah, Stipe probably “meant” to say something a lot of the time, but he was best as a singer, not a lyricist. “Losing My Religion” is about (according to Stipe) trying to hit on someone in a bar/at a party. Who doesn’t have a different, better interpretation of the song? Kudos to a band whose 31-year-old EP still sounds awesome (and it does, it really does) today . . . and who never sold a song to a TV commercial, as far as I know.

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Sep 23, 2011 11:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Revere's arm

The pop gun arm comment has convinced me that I need to henceforth make a “pop” sound effect every time I see him throw a ball in a game. Awesome.

FIRE DAN EDWARDS!!!

by Flip27 on Sep 23, 2011 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Nice try

Didn’t really fit together well but I appreciate the sentiment.

by DJL44 on Sep 23, 2011 11:51 AM EDT reply actions  

New Adventures In Hi-Fi = Scott Baker

While this album isn’t as flashy as there breakout album(s) Document and Green, it is probably the most underrated, underappreciated album.

Automatic for the People = Joe Mauer. In this album REM was able to combine their music making talents, with the best of Michael Stipe’s lyric writing capabilities to create an album that makes you want to dunk your cookies in milk, and hug fuzzy kittens. Some people might find this album to be a little bit dull for their liking, it is nonetheless an album that from start to finish showcases pure talent and artistry at its best.

Im gunna go Fables of The Reconstruction = Joe Nathan because for me, the middle parts, while being individually excellent, aren’t altogether cohesive and leave you wondering where are we going here and how is this album all going to finish … and then suddenly Michael Stipe turns on the charm and finishes the album with strong emotional lyrically enjoyable songs that leave you with no doubts about their music making abilities and leave you wanting more so badly that you can’t wait to hear the whole album again.

I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.

by montanatwinsfan on Sep 23, 2011 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

I remember in college

All the cool people thinking “Automatic” was (depending on the critic) too boring or too pretty, too “fuzzy kitten.” Yeah. ‘Cause “Sweetness Follows” wasn’t dark enough for them, I guess, Maybe the ones who called it boring were right, if they were much smarter than me.

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Sep 23, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Out of Time = Matt Capps

This album finds REM struggling to figure out who they want to be going forward. Their popularity has been decimated by injuries to the pop world as the musical world has abandoned the traditional rock sound nad has been split between the burgeoning grunge and rap/hiphop movements. REM makes a desparate move to stay relevant by recruiting some rap artist (and creating junk) and enlisting the B-52s (more junk) and creating a servicable album that has one lone bright spot in “Losing my Religion” but is otherwise a waste of money. Fans are pissed.

I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.

by montanatwinsfan on Sep 23, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

MONSTER is the antithesis of Thome, and the entire "Twins Way"

If the twins ever find themselves with a Monster, Ron Gardenhire and Tom Kelley will immediately conspire to trade that player away for anything, cool, calm and predictable. Monster came out on the heels of Out of Time when REM was still struggling to figure out how to stay relevant. They ditched pretty much everything they had relied on in the past and went pretty hardcore rock and roll with a grunge edge (by their standards – we’re not talking Alice in Chains here, we’re talking Bing Crosby meets Punk Rocker David Bowie and they compromise)… Michael Stipe even opened up the lexicon of swear words and vulgarity that REM had never even remotely been associated with before. Any lesser quality band would have been bood right off stage, but REM was professional enough to throw in all that nasty stuff right in the opposing batter’s face and get the strikeout. It wasn’t good enough for a walkoff win in extra innings, but it was good enough to satisfy any fan that doesn’t wear a pocket protector.

I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.

by montanatwinsfan on Sep 23, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I probably resemble this comment

“Kevin Slowey does not approve, and gets really into the Minutemen”

Never really hated on REM but Minutemen changed my life.

by DJL44 on Sep 23, 2011 1:11 PM EDT reply actions  

In This REM Lovefest

Please allow me to be the first official hater. I personally thought that they completely lacked that “thing”… They are chinese food (still not satisfied after hearing them)…. radio fodder at best…. meh

"live EVERY week like it's shark week" Tracy Jordan(30 Rock)

by carlpavanosmoustache on Sep 23, 2011 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

Hating (on a band) is fine

Everybody has their own taste. But can we please retire, for good and ever, that goddamn “meh”? Provide your own metaphors (the chinese food one is good) or criticisms. “Meh” is just the fucking collective Internet mind’s current cool putdown. I despair of hoping to interact with any fellow human being every time I see it. (And, when I criticize it, the inevitable response is a one-word “meh,” as if that’s witty. One might as well type “yadda yadda” and feel hip.) Your take on “that thing” sounds intriguing . . . put the effort into expressing it the best you can, using comparisons that convey your personal perspective. I know I’m shouting into a void, here. I guess if one tries to express an original thought, it’s too easy to get shot down . . . whereas if one just uses the latest cool phrase, there’s no chance of others being rude or insulting to your attempts at expressing what you really think. Makes this shit seem quite more than worthless . . .

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Sep 23, 2011 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

One reason I've always liked REM

They never cared if they had “that thing”. Just wrote music they liked.

by DJL44 on Sep 23, 2011 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

while we're at it

we can retire TWSS, +1, rec’d, and any other response that doesn’t require deep intellectual thought and uses 4 characters or less. We must ALWAYS seek to impress our fellow posters (hope I’m using the right term) with originality, creativity, dazzling wit and leave them feeling inspired after reading our oh-so-important thoughts as we spew them onto the computer screen. I also wonder when someone goes to such great lengths to criticize over 3 letters. But as you so eloquently pointed out, I am shouting into a void. Personally, I wasn’t trying to be “cool”… I’m 51 years old, have a belly, gray hair, and a grayer beard… the “cool” ship has sailed in my life. I just couldn’t think of anything else to say at the moment, so, “meh”, seemed to fit… I didn’t realize it was "cool"I could have said oh well, or,, whatever, or some other similar phrase. I think we should have a TT poll to decide which expressions are acceptable, and always strive to be enlightening to our fellow TT’ers. Thank You for allowing me this indulgence.

"live EVERY week like it's shark week" Tracy Jordan(30 Rock)

by carlpavanosmoustache on Sep 23, 2011 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

Not until I get the chance to use “A little Dink would go a long way right now”, in a game thread.

by DerTwain on Sep 23, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

"+1" and "rec'd" help show consensus for a particular idea or post when you don't have anything new to add

There’s nothing witty or original about those. Its the internet’s way of “nodding”. Otherwise most replies are disagreements or rebuttals. There’s nothing wrong with those and the are easy to skim over.

by DavidRF on Sep 23, 2011 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

and "meh" requires herculean effort to get past?

I’m just looking for clarity here.

"live EVERY week like it's shark week" Tracy Jordan(30 Rock)

by carlpavanosmoustache on Sep 23, 2011 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's a different issue... its rare someone just posts "meh" like they would a "+1" or a "rec'd"

I didn’t complain about that one. I don’t have a strong opinion about that one. I suspect the complaint is that disagreement begs for more explanation?

by DavidRF on Sep 23, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

my explanation

was that I feel unfulfilled by REM… I did that by using the Chinese food comparison

"live EVERY week like it's shark week" Tracy Jordan(30 Rock)

by carlpavanosmoustache on Sep 23, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm Just Trying

to find out why the innocuous(on my part) use of “meh” is so grievous. I probably am guilty of laziness and lack of originality that thinking I was being internet “cool”

"live EVERY week like it's shark week" Tracy Jordan(30 Rock)

by carlpavanosmoustache on Sep 23, 2011 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't confuse yourself with kevin Slowey, now buddy.

I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.

by montanatwinsfan on Sep 23, 2011 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

as a lawyer

maybe you can help me out here….. lol

"live EVERY week like it's shark week" Tracy Jordan(30 Rock)

by carlpavanosmoustache on Sep 23, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

shouldn't you be in court or something?

"live EVERY week like it's shark week" Tracy Jordan(30 Rock)

by carlpavanosmoustache on Sep 23, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've got no problem with it,

…but I’m old too.
Sometimes a word just rubs a person the wrong way. 14 or 15 years ago, I’d get homicidal over the use of “paradigm” in a meeting. I initially hated TWSS, but it’s safe to say I got past that.

by DerTwain on Sep 23, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Paradigm is a really lame word

That and synergy.

I also really hated “moiety”, but that’s chemistry-specific.

by DavidRF on Sep 23, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't mean to get under your skin

I just don’t care for that expression. It always comes off (to me) as “I’m too hip to give a shit about what you’re interested in.” You obviously didn’t mean it that way, I apologize. But lots of other people have used it that way in the past.

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Sep 23, 2011 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

I have in fact heard of the minutemen.

Take that Kevin Slowey’s fake hipster Internet personality!

FREE AIRWOLF!

ROHLFING!!!!!

by d-mac on Sep 23, 2011 8:47 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

He liked the arcade fire

before anybody else

I need a clever or funny signature, please send me suggestions.

by #8 guy on Sep 24, 2011 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gardenhire at Night

Stu, I humbly submit this note, the song of the season, Gardening at Night.

“Just didn’t seem to be too real
The yard is nothing but a fence, the sun just hurts my eyes”

“Call the prayer line for a change”

Yours,
DrG.

by Doctor Gonzo on Sep 24, 2011 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

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