Trading for an ace.
I've seen the idea of the Twins trading for an ace one too many times already, and the offseason hasn't even started yet. So I thought I'd look at who the aces out there are, and whether any of them might be available, and what the cost would be. I used 7 fWAR over 2010-11 as my borderline because that gets guys like Chris Carpenter and John Danks onto the list, who I'd be quite happy to have. I may add a couple of other guys at my whim, feel free to suggest more in the comments too.
- Roy Halladay, Phillies. 14.0 WAR. Status: 2yrs/$40m, $20m vesting option. Available: I can't imagine.
- Justin Verlander, Tigers. 12.7 WAR. Status: 3yrs/$60m. Available: You kidding?
- Cliff Lee, Phillies. 12.6 WAR. Status: 4yrs/$109m, $15m option. Available: Not right now, and that contract scares me.
- CC Sabathia, Yankees. 11.8 WAR. Status: 4yrs/$92m, can opt out. Available: If he decides to opt out, but you'd have to pay him even more. And he probably wouldn't come here.
- Felix Hernandez, Mariners. 11.3 WAR. Status: 3yrs/$58m. Available: Has a 10-team no trade clause we might be on after this year. However, I suspect he could be had for the right huge prospect package.
- Jered Weaver, Angels. 11.3 WAR. Status: 5yrs/$85m. Available: Very unlikely.
- Clayton Kershaw, Dodgers. 11 WAR. Status: Arb 1. Available: It would be insane to move him. The Dodgers are kind of insane, though, and we don't know who will own them next month. I feel safe not considering him available, though I suppose if I were a GM I'd be keeping my eye out.
- Dan Haren, Angels. 10.1 WAR. Status: 1yr/$16.25m, $12m option. Available: You know, maybe. Haren's W/L underrates him so he might not even be terribly expensive. The first guy I'd be willing to give a long look at. Of course, the Angels expect to be competitive next year and probably want to hold on to him, but I don't consider it the no-brainer that the guys higher on the list are.
- Tim Lincecum, Giants. 9.2 WAR. Status: Arb 3 (was a Super2). Available: No chance.
- Ubaldo Jimenez, Indians. 9.1 WAR. Status: 1yr/$5.2m, $4.75m option, $8m option. Available: I can't imagine, and would you want to give the Indians a bunch of prospects anyway?
- Matt Cain, Giants. 9.1 WAR. Status: 1yr/$15m. Available: Probably not. Maybe midseason if the Giants fall out of it, but I expect they think they're competitive and need him.
- David Price, Rays. 9 WAR. Status: 1yr/$1.5m (Arb 1). Available: No way.
- C.J. Wilson, Rangers. 8.9 WAR. Status: Free agent. Available: For the right price.
- Cole Hamels, Phillies. 8.9 WAR. Status: Arb 4. Available: I can't see the Phillies not hanging on to that rotation for one more year.
- John Lester, Red Sox. 8.7 WAR. Status: 2yrs/$19.5m, $12.75m option. Available: Should have traded Santana for him.
- Zack Greinke, Brewers. 8.6 WAR. Status: 1yr/$13.5m. Available: Maybe midseason.
- Josh Johnson, Marlins. 8 WAR. Status: 2yrs/$27.5m. Available: People love to talk about the guy, but I'm not convinced he was ever available. With the Marlins moving into a new stadium next year, they're not about to have a fire sale.
- Justin Masterson, Indians. 7.9 WAR. Status: Arb 1. Available: Hah!
- Chris Carpenter, Cardinals. 7.7 WAR. Status: $15m option. Available: Can't really see the Cardinals not picking that option up, especially if they can't keep Pujols. Also, do you want to hand a 37-year-old a big free agent contract? What I could see happening is the Cards picking up the option and then trading him.
- Gavin Floyd, White Sox. 7.5 WAR. Status: 1yr/$7m, $9.5m option. Available: I wouldn't think so, but hey, Kenny Williams. Probably not available to the Twins though.
- Anibal Sanchez, Marlins. 7.5 WAR. Status: Arb 3. Available: Possibly late winter/early spring. Basically looking for extension talks to fall apart.
- Yovani Gallardo, Brewers. 7.2 WAR. Status: 3yrs/$25.1m, $12.4m option. Available: I wouldn't think so.
- Mark Buehrle, White Sox. 7.2 WAR. Status: Free agent. Available: You've heard what he has to say about the Twins, right?
- Doug Fister, Tigers. 7.1 WAR. Status: Serf 3. Available: This might have been the steal trade of the decade. Dombrowski's not going to give him away.
- Edwin Jackson, White Sox. 7 WAR. Status: Free agent. Available: $$$.
- Francisco Liriano, Twins. 7 WAR, but only 1 this year. Status: Arb 3, probably $5-6m, lots of calls to nontender him. Available: Just offer him a contract.
- John Danks, White Sox. 7 WAR. Status: Arb 3. Available: Maybe, but probably not to the Twins. I'd be willing to kick the tires though.
Guys who seem worth mentioning though they haven't put up 7 WAR:
- James Shields, Rays. 6.7 WAR. Status: $7m option, $9m '13 option, $12m '14 option. Available: These options seem likely to be picked up, but stranger things have happened. The Rays also might consider trading him.
- Hiroki Kuroda, Dodgers. 6.7 WAR. Status: Free agent. Available: $$$, but might not want to leave the coast.
- Ryan Dempster, Cubs. 6.3 WAR. Status: $14m player option. Available: Maybe.
- Adam Wainwright, Cardinals. 6.1 WAR, all in 2010. Out in 2011 with Tommy John surgery. Status: 2yr/$21m option. Available: Cardinals expect to pick up the option, but with the Pujols soap opera, who knows.
- Carl Pavano, Twins. 5.5 WAR. Status: 1yr/$8.5m. Available: Just don't dump his contract. I don't think anyone sees Pavano as an ace, just wanted him here for perspective.
- Scott Baker, Twins. 5.2 WAR. Status: 1yr/$6.5m, $9.25m option. Available: Ditto.
- Johan Santana, Mets. 3.5 WAR. Status: 2yrs/$55m, $19.5m option. Available: The Mets would pay us to take him back. Not sure if that would be enough.
- Brandon Webb, Rangers. 0 WAR. Status: Free agent. Available: Webb is the project du jour, having missed the last three seasons due to multiple shoulder surgeries. He was really, really good before, racking up 33.1 WAR in his first six years, so is intriguing, but he should also be very very cheap at this point.
So it looks like we have a fairly short list of guys to think about: Free agents CJ Wilson, Edwin Jackson, Hiroki Kuroda, and maybe Ryan Dempster. One-year rentals Dan Haren, Chris Carpenter, and Anibal Sanchez. Longer-term trade targets Felix Hernandez and James Shields. Recycling projects Santana and Webb. Longshots Floyd, Danks, and Wainwright.
Let's look at Hernandez first. Everybody wants him, and so far Jack Zduriencik has told everyone to go suck an egg. Getting him would involve not only blowing Jack Z away, but outbidding the Yankees in doing so. Without Kyle Gibson to move, that's going to be difficult, and we're probably looking at a package that starts with Miguel Angel Sano, includes another top prospect like Revere, Hicks, Arcia, or Hendriks, and more at the bottom. If it were the one thing to put a well-built team over the top for the next three years, I might consider that, but the Twins are full of holes and it's just not remotely worthwhile.
Shields is more interesting. His contract is reasonable, and he's coming off a very good year. He's less than elite, but has thrown 200 innings for five years in a row, and will be just 30 next season. A bad 2010 might keep his price somewhere near reasonable, plus the Yankees and Red Sox are unlikely to get in on the bidding. I really have no idea how to figure what might bring him in a trade; there was a lot of talk around trading him at the deadline but nothing firm enough to establish a market. He's likely to be the big pitching storyline on the hot stove, and it may very well be worthwhile for the Twins to get in on it. Hicks would probably appeal to the Rays, who will need someone to replace BJ Upton in 2013, so that might be a reasonable place to start.
Haren is obviously a stretch to even be moved - in fact there haven't even been any rumors, I'm just judging the possibility myself - so it figures it will take a significant chunk to make the Angels listen. Much like Hernandez, it seems like the price, if it even happens, would be reasonable for a last piece on a strong team, but not for somebody with swiss cheese all over the roster.
Carpenter depends a lot on whether or not the Cardinals can put a deal together with Albert Pujols; if they can, it certainly makes sense to trade him. At 37, he might not draw a whole lot of interest even on a one-year deal. Unfortunately the Cardinals' most pressing need is middle infielders and catchers, so they match up better with just about everyone else.
Sanchez would have to reach an impasse with the Marlins, and I don't have a sense of how likely that is; if it does happen, it will probably happen late, so there may be a chance at an opportunistic move, but it's not something to plan on. I suspect that if it does happen Miami will hold out for major-league talent in return. They also need help in center field, as 2009 ROY Chris Coghlan has totally failed, so might be interested in Revere or Benson.
The Mets are playing things pretty close to the vest on Santana, but you have to think they're looking for a way out of the rest of that contract. If they were willing to eat thirty or thirty-five million, and take a C-level prospect or two in return, somebody like Holbrooks or Stuifbergen, you'd have to think about it. Obviously it's a hell of a gamble.
Of course there are options that could be had for just money, too, CJ Wilson being the top guy. Unfortunately, with the sparse market this offseason, it seems likely the 31-year-old Wilson will get paid like an elite pitcher despite only posting two seasons with a WAR above 2. Wilson's intriguing because he only moved to the rotation in 2010 and so only has 677 innings on his arm, despite throwing 204 last year and almost certainly over 200 this year. I still think I'd pass on paying him nine figures.
Edwin Jackson is pretty far from an ace, though he's put together three quite good years for an innings-eater. He's also only 28, so might be the best bet on the free agent market just because of his age. On the other hand, his career K/9 is below 7, and his career BB/9 is 3.67. He's gotten a lot of negative press based on perceived overpays in his last two trades. Those things might manage to keep his price down. Jackson seems worth watching, because there might end up being a worthwhile deal in there, especially if handing him to Rick Anderson lowers that walk rate.
Hiroki Kuroda didn't want to go to the East Coast at the trade deadline. (He didn't mention the Midwest, but I expect it was implied.) He might return to Japan. Last year he didn't bother taking offers from anyone but the Dodgers. He turns 37 in February. His WAR total this year is lower than Carl Pavano's, and he pitches in the NL. None of this makes me think he's a good fit.
Ryan Dempster would have to decline $14m for next year, but with a thin market now, a potential glut next year, and what looks like another solid 3 WAR season with a high strikeout rate, I think there's a very good chance it will happen. He'll be 35 next year and looking for one last long-term deal. His career walk rate is over 4, so I doubt he's a target for the Twins, but it has improved in the last few years. Better by FIP and xFIP than ERA and W/L this year, so again not screaming "Twins" at me. Still, he gets a lot of ground balls, and I would consider him if the price were right - maybe something like 3 and $30, though that would almost require him to have made a mistake declining the option. I think he'll get more than that, but worth watching.
Would you take a flier on Brandon Webb for $1m and incentives? I guess it depends on if you have $1m to spare. I'd rather have Webb than Jason Repko or Matt Tolbert, both of whom will probably make that if the Twins tender them contracts. I'd probably rather have Webb than Jose Mijares. Obviously he's not the answer to "what's your plan for making the rotation better?" But he very well might be worth a shot anyway.
So those are the possible good options I'm seeing: trade for Shields. Sign Jackson, Dempster, or Webb. Look to pick up Sanchez if the Marlins can't extend him. Keep an eye on the Cardinals and White Sox, just in case. None of those are really world-beating moves, and none of them are for guys that are really high-end "aces." But the rotation could be bolstered somewhat, if there's a willingness to spend money and prospects. However, it's also worth nothing that next trade deadline/offseason should be a busy time, with Cain, Hamels, Greinke, Carpenter, Sanchez, Liriano, and Danks all on contracts that expire in 2012. So maybe saving bullets is an idea worth considering as well.
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Excellent write up
I think I agree with pretty much all of your assessments. It would be nice if Philly would trade Hamels—they have a lot of money tied up in pitching(and they’ve been raiding their farm system)—but you are probably right; they’ll keep it together another year.
A San Fran pitcher (Cain) seems far more likely—they need offense. Of course they could just sign Kubel and Cuddyer to take care of their offense…
Shields is another guy in the vein of Hamels and Cain, but I am scared to deal with Tampa.
Unless the Twins can steal Yu Darvish, the saving bullets plan seems best. Flyers on Webb and maybe Bedard (isn’t he a guy who like hunting and fishing?) Maybe a trade for a third tier guy like Jason Hammels of the Rockies (I only name him because I read he was available, kind of like Slowey.)
One more time with Liriano
Liriano requires the least amount of organization resources to acquire. They absolutely cannot non-tender him.
I agree that Shields is a good fit but wonder what it would take to get him.
I would like to see them acquire another #2/3 guy. I can handle Liriano, Baker, Pavano and Slowey if there is another dependable pitcher to go with them. Swarzak and Duensing are swingmen which they desperately need in the bullpen. Blackburn is rotation filler for a bad team and ideally would be moved for bullpen help or a different starting pitcher. Hendriks is unproven and I’d rather have him as the 6th starter in AAA. They can win the division again without an ace if they get decent seasons from their other guys. In 2013 one of Wimmers, Gibson or Hendriks will be ready.
For back-end guys I like Jeff Francis and Aaron Harang. With the current infield defense and a potential Revere / Span / Benson outfield by the end of next year I’d concentrate on flyball/strikeout type pitchers. That would maximize Target Field’s big dimensions. Neither guy really bolsters the front of the rotation but Francis could have some success.
Brett Myers is someone they should seriously consider. I know he’s a bit of a red-ass and has some minuses (salary, past domestic violence) but he’s obtainable and fits the profile of what they need. Any idea what Houston would want for Myers?
Wandy Rodriguez too
Looking over Myers led me to look at Wandy Rodriguez. He’s also a terrific fit. Bill Smith should have the Astros in his sights this offseason. They will be looking to shed salary and get younger. They have starting pitching to offer and need pretty much everything else.
Rodriguez 2yrs/$27.5m, $10.5m player option.
At least he’s pitched better than Myers. But neither of these guys are an improvement over what we have. Running Kevin Slowey out there is likely to bring better results than either.
Not true
Wandy Rodriguez is a more consistent version of Liriano. Brett Myers is going to give you 50-75 more innings than Kevin Slowey.
I would say Rodriguez is a more expensive, less consistent version of Edwin Jackson, who pitches plenty of innings and could be had for no prospects at all.
Edwin Jackson is righthanded
I’m also not certain that he’ll be less expensive going forward. Someone could offer him a 4 year $48M deal. I also don’t see Jackson as noticeably more consistent than Wandy.
The real question
Is Wandy Rodriguez a better buy than Jeff Francis? Yeah – Wandy strikes out more batters and gives up fewer hits. Francis isn’t even “young” anymore.
Found a better comp
Chris Capuano may give you nearly what you would get from Wandy Rodriguez for less $$ and no prospects. He’s another LH flyball veteran pitcher and he seems to have come back from TJ surgery just fine.
Jackson is going to get paid
I read just now that he’s a Scott Boras client
I'm not sure why you'd want Myers.
Never all that great, he’s been terrible this year, worse by fWAR (0.5) than Blackburn and Duensing and even Swarzak. With a couple of good starts Diamond and Slowey could even pass him. The Astros are on the hook for $14m and would probably have to eat ten of that to move him at all.
He gives the team innings
People are all over Pavano as some sort of disappointment but he’s going to lead the team in innings pitched. Part of the reason the bullpen looks so bad is they’ve had to rely on pitchers early and often. The Twins are desperate for starting pitchers who can give them 180 innings.
If the Astros would flip Myers for Blackburn I’d take that deal. Dump my groundball guy who can’t strike anyone out for a strikeout/flyball pitcher who has been very good recently (2010) and will give me 180 innings.
The real conclusion of the post above is that there isn’t an ace available. Getting a solid #3 to avoid pitching Swarzak or Blackburn is a big improvement.
but would Houston do that?...
I think all we could get for Blackburn is a “decent” middle reliever from an NL team desperate for a starter. We’ll probably have to pick up part of his contract in the exchange as well.
That is IF we can pry Blackburn out of Gardy’s cold dead fingers.
But Gardy is likely not going to be around next month
As far as the Twins are concerned.
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Well done
Good use of well-chosen numbers to make an argument. (And that sounds like a college professor’s paper criticism, so I apologize.) It’s an odd situation, because in the recent past we’ve had up-and-comers who could jump in if one of the starters failed, which made getting a filler starter (the best available, from your analysis) a good deal. If they worked (Kenny Rogers) or not (Livan), it didn’t matter. Doesn’t seem that way for next year. Swarzak MAYYYYBE. Diamond just throws too soft. Duensing is definitely a long guy at this point, since RHs treat him the way Hormel treats turkeys.
If you have the time and/or inclination, a similar piece on available relievers (whose value is admittedly harder to qualify) would be fun.
Steve Goodman lives.
Good stuff...
I wouldn’t consider about half of that list “aces”, but that’s semantics I guess. I think you nailed it pretty well;
Wilson’s going to cost way more than he’s worth; we’d have to outbid the Yanks and Rangers at something like $100M total.
I’d say our best bets are Felix/Greinke/Cain at the deadline for “true” aces.
And DJL44 covered it pretty well as well. Liriano has to be kept; I’d even gamble and extend him, personally, now that he’ll have FINALLY a regular offseason/innings going into next year. I think he’ll bounce back (to at least 2010 levels) in a big way in 2012.
Then you have Baker, with Slowey and Pavano as 3 and 4. Ideally Blackburn should be traded for a bullpen arm and Duensing and Swarzak should be in the rotation, with Hendriks (and those 2) waiting in the wings as insurance for injury/ineffectiveness. So we still need 1 guy. A stopgap vet for a year or 2 would be nice. If the Cardinals sell, Carpenter might be that guy. Not sure if his stuff will transfer well to the AL, but for a relatively modest cost, I’d find out. Then look for a true ace at the deadline.
I don't think Liriano wants to stay
I think he’s looking forward to free agency.
But we have one more year with him.
I rather have him in a contract year than see him pitch for a non-division rival, aka Tampa Bay.
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"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
you're probably right...
i certainly wouldn’t after the organization abused the hell out of me for 5 years with crappy innings and injury decisions. liriano’s career would look MUCH different if the twins hadn’t mishandled him all this time IMO.
Interesting
Here is what I would do in terms of trades/free agents.
Trades.
James Shields: I would trade Aaron Hicks, Nishi, Jason Repko, and Nick Blackburn for him and B.J. Upton. The reason for that is because the Twins would get two of Tampa Bay’s players, and a four player package for them is pretty good. If needed, we can survive on an infield of Valencia, Casilla, Hughes, and Mauer or Parmelee. Plus BJ Upton would shore up the loss of both Cuddyer and/or Kubel.
Chris Carpenter: I would trade Nishi and Drew Butera for him. Notice I am unloading our friend from Japan, but that would be the plan, but Drew Butera would be the big catch for them, but you would have to wonder if they would want to take on Justin Morneau’s contract?
Free Agency Targets?
I include the question mark because the Twins haven’t said anything.
Edwin Jackson: He might be a get if we incliude a no-trade clause in his contract. He would take this in exchange for a bit less money, but he would be more secure with his position on the Minnesota Twins.
Mark Buehrle: He wants to stay with the White Sox, but I don’t think that is possible. Translation, we must sign him for the right price.
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Umm...
BJ Upton would make Gardy’s head explode; you think Delmon was bad….
Also, Yoshi, Repko, and Blackburn all have zero value or negative value given their contracts. Why would the Rays do that? I’m not a big Shields fan at all actually and don’t really want him (don’t think he’s an ace at all) but why would the Rays do that?
edit...
ok, i see the rest of it and now see you were clearly joking with this post.
To Improving the team
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Why not Cuddyer?
Sure, he’s shown a little promise coming out of the ’pen, but I think if you work with him he could be a solid middle of the rotation guy…
#endsarcasm
Agreed
Michael Cuddyer is a good pitcher, but I rather have Joe Mauer pitch.
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Not gonna lie.
The thought of Johan Santana in a Twins uniform again gives me warm fuzzies. It would be especially awesome if he had a career resurgence after coming back to Minnesota. Mets fans’ heads would probably explode.
Not that I seriously think this could happen. But still.
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Stranger things have happened in life, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see Santana make a career comeback in a Twins uniform after being traded by the Mets. I also wouldn’t be surprised to see Brandon Webb get dumped by Texas and then win 20 games with the Twins in a single season.
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I think one or both of those would be a worthwhile gamble.
And probably could be done on the cheap.
Question though: Is Anderson the right guy to reclaim them?
by Shawn Gillogly on Sep 7, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm...
He worked well with Santana back in the day, (and especially compared to how the Mets used him) but his system seems to have come apart without decent middle-infield.
Great job sifting through all the options
This is very thorough and puts it all in perspective. I’m torn on options: I’d love to see them act now but maybe waiting for later in 2012 could pay off tremendously. I say at least get busy, get in on the Wilson bidding, etc.
When I was a kid, I would cover a blue futon with a white blanket, prop it up with a fan set on high, and pretend it was the Metrodome. That should tell you a lot.
by MarshalltheIrish on Sep 11, 2011 5:04 AM EDT reply actions
Lefthanded starting pitching
For a number of reasons I’d like to see the Twins pursue lefthanded starting pitching in the offseason. There are a few options who aren’t CC Sabathia or CJ Wilson who could provide value.
1) Erik Bedard – Looks like he’s recovered from a shoulder injury. The French-Canadian would be a good fit for LH pitcher friendly Target Field. Striking out 9 per 9 this year with a 3.5 ERA. Should be able to provide 180 innings and 3 WAR. No free agent compensation required to sign him. May be looking at his last long-term deal. Offer a 3 year $24M deal and move to 3-$30 if necessary.
2) Chris Capuano – Lower strikeout rate than Bedard and more HR but fewer walks. A good bet to give the team 180 average innings for not much outlay. A definite upgrade on Brian Duensing. Offering 2 years and $9M would be the most generous deal he has ever received.
3) Wandy Rodriguez – Expensive but the Astros should be looking to dump salary and acquire anything they can get. The Astros are the only organization to inquire about Drew Butera in a trade. Dump Blackburn or Slowey and some mediocre bullpen prospects (they’re dealing with Ed Wade).
None of them are aces
But one of them might be worth signing for depth. I don’t know if any of them is better than any of the top five that we have:
Liriano
Baker
Swarzak
Pavano
Hendriks
I know you hate Swarzak for some reason. But he has been our best pitcher since the middle of August.
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Except, last year
you could have said the same thing about Duensing. Swarzak is serviceable, but any of those three would be an upgrade. If he got hurt, Swarzak could step back in.
Swarzak is useful as a swingman in the bullpen
But I don’t want him starting a playoff game. Eventually he will be overexposed, just like Duensing. I want Swarzak and Duensing in the bullpen, they’re needed there. I also want Hendriks starting in AAA for depth.
Bedard has been better than all of them this season
I don’t think he’s an all-star caliber pitcher any more but he’s a solid #2 type. You can win if you have 4 of those guys.
How about Bruce Chen!
He’s been great this year! Ergo he’ll be great next year!
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Now you're just trying to argue
Bedard has a fantastic track record, got hurt and appears to have come back from injury. He has a career ERA+ of 120 and is at 113 this year (116 with the Red Sox). Baker reaches that level of effectiveness when he’s healthy but he isn’t always healthy. Liriano hasn’t been above 120 since before the surgery. Since the surgery he’s had 1 season at Bedard’s current level and he has been HORRIBLE this season. Pavano hasn’t been above 120 since 2004. Slowey’s best year compares with Bedard’s worst seasons. Swarzak strikes out HALF as many batters as Bedard.
Bruce Chen has had 2 straight years of adequate where he hasn’t been above 140 innings pitched. Before that he was a mess. Equating Bruce Chen to Erik Bedard is trolling.
Bedard has been hurt more than healthy the last four years
His mechanics are ripe for injury. He’s a high risk/high reward pitcher. Coming off a year like this one, the risk is even higher than normal. The time to sign him would have been prior to this year.
And lighten up! It was a joke. Sheesh.
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