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This is just a short rant about the Strib's recent policies. First, they require you to subscribe to the digital version of the paper. You are allowed to use the home page, and to open up to 20 articles per month. After that, you are blocked from opening without first subscribing. This is true even if you have a subscription to the paper. I am a Sunday subscriber, but I would still need to pay for the online version. I have to pay even for the blog content for which they pay nothing, such as TwinsCentric. And subscriptions are per computer. My wife and son would need to subscribe as well.

OK. Fine. It's not that good anyway. I can content myself with the Pioneer Press. And at least I can scan the Strib's home page for breaking news and such. That's what I thought for the first couple of months. Nope. Now they have an ad function that runs in the background on the home page without any way of turning it off. If you come to the home page, be prepared for a barage of audio ads that launch automatically and cannot be turned off without exiting the site.

We shall see how this works. But I predict disaster. The PiPress offers much the same content for free. It is easy enough to access that content. Even long-time Strib readers will convert rather than paying for the likes of Jim Souhan or listening to ads just to scan breaking news. I used to run an online magazine that got 2.5 million unique visits per month. The fewer the UVs, the less able we were to sell ads. I'm wondering how the Stribs ad sales people are liking the fact that their traffic just cratered. Well, it won't last long. The Strib will be the gazillionth online property to try pay per click and fail.

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I think we will soon see Jim Souhan here on Sundays instead of at the Star Tribune.

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by Jessy S on Jan 16, 2012 11:03 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, WTF?

Not if I have any say. Then again, maybe we do have Souhan lurking and commenting. Is there something you’re not telling us Jessy S.?

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 17, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe Jessy S IS Souhan!

"It happened in the moment, and it happened." - Carlos Gomez

by myjah on Jan 17, 2012 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

That would explain the McDonalds story

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 17, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Aw, you blew my cover

Seriously, I do respect his viewpoint, that doesn’t mean that I have to like it.

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by Jessy S on Jan 17, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

They don't have my interest anymore.

havent’ been on the STRIB’s website

in 2 -2 1/2 years.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/photo-logan-morrison-bryan-petersen-share-tub-drink-043548597.html

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jan 16, 2012 11:28 PM EST reply actions  

I subscribe to the PiPress

Their paper is more useful to me. The only thing I check @ STrib are some local news articles they have exclusively. They never have exclusive Twins information, at least if you wait 5 minutes.

by DJL44 on Jan 17, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Here is how you do it

Open the article you want to read, but stop the loading process as soon as you see text. That way the popup telling you that you are out of free articles won’t load.
At least that is what I discovered by accident.

by twinscrazy_german on Jan 17, 2012 7:55 AM EST reply actions  

It's said that journalism is losing money hand-over-fist

And that’s why they have to pull stunts like this. But I’ve read differing opinions that say the real problem with journalism isn’t declining readership (it’s weathered that before) so much as the massive wave of conglomerate takeovers, LBOs, and such. In the Strib’s case, that’s almost certainly been a factor — their new owners saddled them with a staggering amount of debt.

Personally I started getting my Twins news here and from the major national sites once I heard about that move on their part. I agree — making blogs a pay service is lame. But I think some of the TwinsCentric guys post their Strib articles on their individual blogs, don’t they? Or am I wrong?

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Jan 17, 2012 10:44 AM EST reply actions  

The TwinsCentric guys do post it on their blogs too.

When I see a TwinsCentric entry I go to their blog to read it vice using one of my 20 for it. I now only read those articles that really interest me AND I don’t think I can find somewhere else. Luckily, I have 3 computers plus my phone to use so that is 80 plus articles per month. I refuse to pay.

by CCTwinsFan on Jan 17, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, I get their content there

It just irks me that clicking one of their blogs on the Strib site counts against my quota of 20 per month.

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by cmathewson on Jan 17, 2012 11:04 AM EST up reply actions  

check articles on different computers

Just as you have to subscribe computers individually you also get 20 articles per computer. I haven’t run up against the limit yet.

by DJL44 on Jan 17, 2012 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

YOu can also probably access them through twitter at no cost.

That’s standard practice…

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by AdamOnFirst on Jan 24, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I've clicked Joe C.'s twitter links and gotten blocked

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by cmathewson on Jan 24, 2012 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

click on the article/blog then hit esc before the ad loads

works every time.

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by Twins33 on Jan 25, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

The real problem is they lost their advertisers

The classifieds were killed by Craigslist and eBay. Web advertisers like Groupon are also hurting their business. I wouldn’t be surprised to see government notices no longer printed in newspapers next.

by DJL44 on Jan 17, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Agree 100%

The whole business model for newspapers evaporated when classified ads became obsolete.

by DavidRF on Jan 17, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

That is not true

There is still print advertising which includes advertising inside a paper including one ad where the Twins might announce that there are tickets still available for an upcoming series, and don’t forget the weekly ads that always run on Sundays and throughout the week. The problem with newspapers is that the news is so yesterday by the time it reaches the front door. Yahoo Sports and other sites usually have the game recap up within 90 minutes of the game’s end. (Sooner if you are reading this site and Jesse isn’t doing the recap while overseas). If the Twins are out on the west coast, forget seeing the results in the next morning’s paper if the game was a night game.

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by Jessy S on Jan 19, 2012 3:22 AM EST up reply actions  

I think his point is the cash cow is gone

I worked for six years for a nationally syndicated paper that died the slow death local papers are dying. I can tell you the bread and butter of newspapers were the classifieds. Classifieds and other high-volume, low cost ads paid for the costs of printing and distribution. Display ads made the money. Without classifieds, papers can barely break even with display advertising.

The common myth in publishing is that subscriptions pay for stuff. That is not true. It’s often more cost effective to distribute publications in free street boxes than to manage subscribers. Subscriptions help reps sell ads by qualifying the readership. Papers live and die on ad sales. Classifieds used to keep them going through slow months in display sales.

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by cmathewson on Jan 19, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

They're fighting like crazy to hold on to government notices

If the government is allowed to just post data on a public website instead of paying newspapers to print it they’ll take another hit.

They need to drastically scale back their focus to become more local. That’s their only differentiating feature. Unfortunately that’s high cost information to gather, they can’t just reprint wire stories.

I would subscribe to a glossy weekly magazine edition that had in-depth articles of regional interest. They can even dump all the weekly ads on my doorstep to help pay for it. That’s what I actually look forward to in the Sunday paper. It’s one reason I get the press instead of the Strib though I click on those Strib articles once they leave the print-only embargo. The Press travel section prints events in Wisconsin and Minnesota. The Strib travel section prints articles about Morocco and Tuscany.

by DJL44 on Jan 19, 2012 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

The cash cow is gone, but the main deal with papers is that they can still get display advertising including weekly ads. However classifieds are dying a slow death, and, as I pointed out, the information that you usually get in papers is stone age old by the morning and that includes information about the Minnesota Twins provided they are not playing a night game on the west coast.

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by Jessy S on Jan 19, 2012 7:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't have these issues at all..

I read the Strib online almost everyday and have never ran into these issues. I definitely never get any ads on their homepage. I have ABP for Chrome though, that may help….

Remember, remember the seventh of November.

by Go Twins! on Jan 17, 2012 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

I also should note I don't log in or anything

And just went and opened 27 Articles and did not get anything stopping me…

Remember, remember the seventh of November.

by Go Twins! on Jan 17, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Weird

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 17, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Everyone I have tolked to have been required to register

So it’s weird that you’re not. But perhaps it’s browser-specific. Perhaps the way around it is to use Chrome.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 17, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions  

So I just tried it in Internet Explorer

Holy $%^& that’s annoying. I just closed it and went back to Chrome. Ads all over heck there and log ins and junk…Yeah I’d just switch browsers, and install Adblocker Extensions.

Remember, remember the seventh of November.

by Go Twins! on Jan 17, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I use Chrome

… and just clear my browsing history and don’t have any issues.

by MC Thunder on Jan 18, 2012 7:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Or hope for a Blue Screen of Death

Between article 20 and 21.

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by Jessy S on Jan 19, 2012 3:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Are you blocking javascript on the strib site or all sites?

I’m guessing that’s what’s doing it. Although I haven’t tried it myself most of these in-page popups require javascript to run, so blocking certain sites from using javascript often helps

by 2wins87 on Jan 27, 2012 4:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes its the javascript

I just ran through my limit and then changed my preferences to block javascript on the strib site and no more subscription popups.

by 2wins87 on Jan 27, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not getting those issues at all.

Running Firefox with adblock and noscript, don’t see any ads or hear any ads, and I just clicked on about 30 articles with no issue.

(Shameless plug: NoScript — don’t http without it).

by spanspanspan on Jan 17, 2012 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah I use Chrome and have no issues either

What Browsers are you guys using?

Remember, remember the seventh of November.

by Go Twins! on Jan 17, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm can't say others aren't experiencing issues explained in the main post.

Would be frustrating, especially for a blogger who… you know… kind of directs traffic to strib?

Just saying I don’t seem to be experiencing it.

by spanspanspan on Jan 17, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I guess the headline was directed at you as I wasn't having issues

And the under part was more directed at everyone else. Just curious if this was some junk allowed by other browsers perhaps.

Just a thought.

Remember, remember the seventh of November.

by Go Twins! on Jan 17, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

My daughter now lives in Texas

and used to love keeping track of what was happening in Minnesota and the Twins through the Strib online. She experienced the same thing (the 20 article limit) and said there was no way she would pay to read an out of town online newspaper, so now she gets her news elsewhere. Strib’s loss.

All print media is having a hard time of it with the advent of the internet, but the Strib has gone about the transition poorly. First, they dropped some of their popular local columnists (i.e. Lileks, CJ, and some others I can’t remember. Not necessarily endorsing these, just mention them as they are local. I think Reusse may have been in the original mix too.). I mean, isn’t the local news and flavor the only reason to subscribe to a local periodical? We can get national news elsewhere, and probably better reported, too. There was some public outcry and they reinstituted some, but they had already lost readership. They kept Souhan (Does he even LIKE sports? Does he like ANYTHING?) and Reusse, who I think is just there to try to stir things up now and then. Where are the hometown guys, who root for our teams? I guess it’s not sophisticated to be an unabashed fan these days. It should be possible to write objectively about a home team, giving constructive criticism when needed and praise when warranted, but they went the route of having reporters who inject almost every column with sarcasm and/or pretension, as though, yes they are indeed writing about a sporting event, but in a detatched, above-it-all manner. That said, Joe C and Lavelle are OK.

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by Twnzfan on Jan 17, 2012 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

Ive never tried it because ive never run into a problem with article limit

but read I read somewhere if you use private browsing in firefox it doesnt run into the article limit.

first-worst-first?

by holymackerel on Jan 17, 2012 3:50 PM EST reply actions  

At least the STRIB won’t shut down for 24 hours due to SOPA.

by Brady Eyestone on Jan 18, 2012 2:29 AM EST reply actions  

You are making light of a proposed law

That will likely strip away any freedoms we have on the internet.

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by Jessy S on Jan 19, 2012 3:24 AM EST up reply actions  

No, I am making light of a proposed law that will not pass, and will not have any effect on what people do on the Internet.

by Brady Eyestone on Jan 19, 2012 3:49 AM EST up reply actions  

SOPA won't pass

But some PIPA-like frankenlaw probably will. It will affect the free and open flow of information by narrowing the definition of fair use. On this site, for example, it will become criminal to scrape the web for comical images to support a point.

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by cmathewson on Jan 19, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

The USA PATRIOT Act passed with only one dissenting vote.

“So this is how liberty dies…with thunderous applause.” -Padme Amidala

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jan 19, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, that was a dark day

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 19, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Thankfully Ron Paul was that lone vote.

He must be elected to the Presidency at once.

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by Jessy S on Jan 19, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Well...

Sen. Russ Feingold from WI was the only dissenting vote in the Senate. Even Wellstone voted for it.

It passed the H.R. by 357/66

I’m sorry I brought this up now, politics and baseball don’t mix.

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jan 19, 2012 8:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought you meant both chambers.

Either way, the Patriot Act is going away either by peaceful means or by force. Hopefully the only force required is throwing the actual act into a fireplace so Gardy can enjoy a nice hot fire.

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by Jessy S on Jan 20, 2012 1:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Unlikely

Unlikely, it’s be upped several times by several different congresses, legally defended and expanded by two successive, and opposite, administrations, and had the legal/common-law expansions by the first administration converted into actual statue by the second.

I also don’t think people are going to get worked up enough about the FBI having access to the books they check out from the library to take up arms against their fellow Americans, but that’s just me.

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by AdamOnFirst on Jan 24, 2012 3:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Sooner or later

This country will drop the Patriot Act like a hot potato. Think of that act as eating nothing but McDonalds for years and years.

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by Jessy S on Jan 26, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

What does this analogy even mean?

by Brady Eyestone on Jan 26, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't ask

And, Jessy S., please don’t tell.

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by cmathewson on Jan 26, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Just saying that the Patriot Act

Will be ruled unconstitutional by the courts just like anybody would if they ate at McDonalds all their life. I am saying that both will one day fall dead.

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by Jessy S on Jan 26, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SAYING

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by BoeJouma on Jan 28, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't have to answer you

You used bad language and got flagged for that.

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by Jessy S on Jan 28, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

im sure i did

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by BoeJouma on Jan 28, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, you are the latest South Side Sox member Jesse has to ban. I hope you realize that children view this site as well as other SBNation sites.

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by Jessy S on Jan 28, 2012 2:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Uh

“I hope you realize that children view this site as well as other SBNation sites.”

I happen to remember something disgusting you posted IN RESPONSE to one of the “children” on this site. I wouldn’t be chiding a Sox fan over his language if I were you.

by John_Locke on Jan 28, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I don't think he was banned if he's able to comment.

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jan 28, 2012 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

um also one of the children

(and perhaps the only one who comes here consistently) is almost 15, trust me, she has heard that stuff before, has had people yell at her using that kind of language, and has used that kind of language herself…. Also, referring to yourself in third person FTW lol

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by twinsgirl197 on Jan 28, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I was actually

noting the kids who are not used to foul language. There are likely girls younger than you that view this site or any other site on SBNation. Using foul language is OK once in a while, but most likely only in a game thread when a Twins player does something wrong on defense. Example: Danny drops a fly ball, and it lands in left field, but before he or Revere can field it, the winning run scores.

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by Jessy S on Jan 30, 2012 3:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually we are both right.

Just today, the FEDS shut down a website called megaupload that is endorsed by celebrities. Story is currently posted on Drudge, and I prayed for the Grammys and Oscars to be cancelled in protest. Anyway, to give you an idea of how this proposal and others affects the internet, all of SBNation and parent company Vox Media could be shutdown just because Twinkie Town Member ColossusofRhode had the gall to post a parody of “Those were the Days,” and that would be enough to take YouTube down with it. The reason for the takedown of the site would be because the original music was used.

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by Jessy S on Jan 19, 2012 7:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Megaupload

I say the following as somebody who A> has used megaupload to share materials that both violate and do not violate copyright laws B> have violated copyright laws through other means while agree that the practice is wrong (but having that moral failing outweighed by my desire to get free stuff).

Megaupload was primarily used to stream and download content that is copyright protected, primarily tv shows and movies. There was very little upstanding or virtuous about what megaupload did. The anti-SOPA/PIPA crowd is making a mistake if they’re going to make this the next rallying cry of the movement.

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by AdamOnFirst on Jan 24, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I do understand

But Megaupload was most likely given that content by some celebrities that likely didn’t care what happened with their work. Seriously, If we are going to pass copyright laws, why not pass the law that puts people in prison just for singing Happy Birthday, which is copyrighted.

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by Jessy S on Jan 26, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Happy Birthday is well looked after

http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/birthday.asp

I believe TimeWarner owns the copyright and they collect a couple million dollars in royalties every year for it.

Nobody cares if you sing it at home, but commercial uses are rare because getting the rights isn’t cheap (and its annoying to renew them when things get rereleased for DVD or BluRay or whatever). Ever notice how when its someone’s birthday at a chain restaurant, the staff always sings some sort of made-up tune to you and not “Happy Birthday”?

Its sort of analogous to the whole Viacom / Youtube thing. Viacom had the money and the will to fight youtube on copyright issues so you’ll never see anything from their channels on youtube anymore (so no comedy central stuff). Same with Happy Birthday. Their owners fiercely enforce their copyrights.

These new laws are supposed to be looking out for the little copyright holders who don’t have Viacom’s legal budget.

by DavidRF on Jan 26, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Look up Cheers on Youtube

There you will find plenty of episodes from many different users, and I personally alerted Viacom to their existence on the site.

Regardless, I think Megaupload should be allowed to stay up until they are proven guilty in a court of law. It goes for all the other sites shut down by the government as well. It is the same as any one of us being put in prison without trial for slander against Joe Mauer.

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by Jessy S on Jan 26, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Hmmm....
and I personally alerted Viacom to their existence on the site.

The whole die mauer/thashortkid episode grows a little clearer…

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jan 27, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

It is a simple copyright violation

It is just like if you produced a movie, wanted to be paid for your efforts, and were done so until somebody else comes along and decides to post the movie on youtube. Now I don’t know about you, but if I was in your shoes, you would want that movie down from the site so fast that it isn’t funny because the person who violated your copyright prevented you from making money.

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by Jessy S on Jan 28, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

x

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jan 28, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

fucking narc

"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112

by BoeJouma on Jan 28, 2012 12:48 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Please clean up the language

Thank you.

The Management

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 28, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

deal

"Rhubarb, if you wouldn’t mind, ram your taint into your monitor as hard as you can." - joewho112

by BoeJouma on Jan 28, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Whatever

We’re all thinking it.

by Caulfield on Jan 28, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Bad language harms our search results

By all means keep thinking it. But don’t feel compelled to write it.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 30, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

I use Internet Explorer

and have the issue with the 20 free articles. However, I can read the blogs (without the comments) by clicking the name of the blog instead of the article within the blog. For example, if you want to read all of the TwinsCentric entries, just click TwinsCentric, not the article title.

by Smilin' Carl on Jan 20, 2012 6:44 PM EST reply actions  

Disclaimers

Disclaimer: I detest the StarTrib and don’t EVER read an actual physical newspaper and don’t use the online version of any newspaper as a primary news source.

As much as I dislike the star trib, PiPress is much worse, and their website is borderline non-functional. You may complain about what Star Trib is doing, but the reality is newspapers across the country have learned that providing their web content for free is simply an untenable model, and StarTrib is actually hanging on better than most. I also don’t see how you deserve the right to complain that they aren’t giving you all their non-Sunday material for free. That costs a lot of money to produce. If you want to read, then pay.

Also, the Twin Cities don’t need two competing major papers anyway. One to be the major paper and another to cover the more local issues of the other city is fine. We aren’t that big of a city.

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
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by AdamOnFirst on Jan 24, 2012 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

Not complaining, just arguing with the business logic

You have to have a product to sell. Your product is your readers. If you prevent your readers from accessing your site, you will not have a product to sell. Every other paper that has tried this has failed, primarily because their ad sales dried up the day their traffic cratered. They try to get a small amount of money from subscribers. Whatever they get from that is offset X10 by the loss in ad revenue.

As for costs, 70% of web costs are in content. Most of the content they pay for is part of their print model. Compared to web-only properties, their costs are really low. They already have the content. Why not make it available online and get another ad revenue stream in the process? That’s what just about every paper does. If they try to force people to subscribe, whatever costs they have (hosting, production, etc.) won’t even be covered by ad sales.

And one clarification: The Strib is not doing well. They are still operating under bankruptcy protection from creditors, If I’m not mistaken. They had a near death experience just a few years ago.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 24, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

At what point do print revenues dry up?

The only time I read a print paper anymore is when I am traveling. The “print model” is not sustainable long term.

Ten years ago, they could just post the paper online for free and treat the extra ad revenue as a bonus, but more and more they’re going to try to figure out how to get print-level money from online readers.

When I used to buy a paper every day it cost me $15/month to read the paper. Now I get all that for free. Great for me, but that’s $15 lost revenue for the paper. Its awfully hard to get people to start paying for something they used to get for free, though. I’d wrinkle my nose at fees half that size.

by DavidRF on Jan 24, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Charging readers for content is a losing proposition

If you want revenue, invest in better content. That will lead to ad revenue. You’ll never sell ads if you charge for content. And you’ll never make money from readers.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 24, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

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