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State of Play: Monday, January 23

A shot at the 25th-man spot for Sean Burroughs?

Here's your weekly news reset, covering what happened last week and looking forward to this week.

  • Francisco Liriano and Glen Perkins avoided arbitration, as Jesse covered last Wednesday. Alexi Casilla is still unsigned, with the midpoint between the team offer and his counteroffer sitting at $1.4 million. Way back last fall, MLB Trade Rumors predicted $1.3million for Casilla, but the Twins have a history of not striking a particularly hard bargain in order to avoid going to a hearing. Jesse predicted somewhere around $1.45 or $1.5 million. Arbitration hearings begin on February 1, so I'd expect Casilla to sign up for a million and a half or so sometime this week.
  • Speaking of Liriano, he started another game in the Dominican Winter League. He pitched two innings, and gave up two runs on two hits and a walk. This actually lowered his ERA down to 11.57, and may have been his best start of the winter so far. His team, Leones del Escogido, are in the Dominican League championship series, so he may yet pitch again. We'll keep an eye on it.
  • Ron Gardenhire told ESPN 1500 that we could be seeing Joe Mauer on first more this year (audio available from this page.) Gardy says the team will do whatever it takes to keep both Mauer and Morneau in the lineup, but he's going into the season with the idea that Morneau will be playing first base.
  • Justin Morneau says he's doing better this year than at the same time last year. I'd be more optimistic if this story isn't the exact same story that is published at this point of the offseason about every injured player in every sport since the dawn of time. This sounds overly cynical, but never ever trust what a high-level athlete says about his or her own recovery. High-level athletes don't get to where they are without having supreme confidence in their own abilities, and that includes the ability to overcome any obstacles that injury might erect on that path. I'm not saying this is a bad thing, either. I'm just saying that Morneau is saying optimistic things about his own recovery because he believes them because he has to believe them or he never would have got here in the first place.
  • Terry Ryan says the team may sign more pitching. Don't get too excited; this is just the sort of thing that general managers say. The exact quote to MLB.com's Rhett Bollinger was, "I don't think you should ever say you're set to go." This sounds like slightly less than a specific plan to sign someone.
  • Triple-A manager Gene Glynn thinks that Sean Burroughs will make the major league roster. So reports Patrick Reusse, who covers the tale of Burroughs, who spent four or five years drinking himself out of baseball, and is now on his way to playing his way back in.
  • In case you haven't studied it yet, here's the Twins' 2012 spring training schedule. First game is March 3. That page - springtrainingonline.com - also lists ticket prices for the games as $13, $24, $26, and $40, which I cannot quite believe. I always assumed that you paid $1.00 to a guy in a lawn chair when you got there, picked out a bleacher seat, and spent most of the game eating peanuts and trying to figure out who the guy wearing number 95 was. I figured it was exactly like town-team baseball, only you didn't personally know both umpires, the entirety of one team, and half the other team. Apparently it's real business. Who knew? (Apart from those of you who've actually gone to spring training, I guess.)
  • The first workouts of spring: four weeks from yesterday.

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Can't wait to get this season started.

I feel like no other Twins fans even think we have a chance to compete this year, but I’m just so excited!

I’ve had fun watching the T-Wolves, but I need some Twins in my life right now!

I'm still a Minnesotan at heart...

by urluckyday on Jan 23, 2012 9:08 AM EST reply actions  

I look at it this way.

Last year was just a really, really long extended spring training since we got a good look at our farm system in Minneapolis.

With the team healthy I don’t see any reason for the Twins not to compete.

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by MashinTaters on Jan 23, 2012 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

"Four weeks from yesterday?"

Where the Hell am I supposed to get a time machine?

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"Tell Gardy there's nobody around to protect him now." Ozzie Guillen

by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jan 23, 2012 9:13 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Burroughs or Hughes...

I assume that will be the ‘roster battle,’ although if they are willing to send Nishioka down, he could take that spot. Would be nice to have a LH Bat on the bench.

by SethSpeaks on Jan 23, 2012 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

We'd still need a back-up SS

Unless you slide Lexi over. I’m still looking at carrying 13 pitchers 8 in the field and 4 on the bench (Doumit,Plouffe,Butera and Nishioka). If you send Nish down that would leave Plouffe as the back-up SS. Would Burroughs be the DH or 3bman? Would we send Valencia down? I don’t think so.

by b1 on Jan 23, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Never considered Burroughs either

Seriously, I don’t think he will make the roster coming out of Spring Training, but he could get called up at some point.

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by Jessy S on Jan 23, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't see giving the guy a 25man spot either.

I think he’ll need more then S.T. to earn a spot.

by b1 on Jan 23, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

True

Though the Twins might see something different since the players are going through their off season workouts. This is why you don’t let the guys and gals at Twinkie Town make the roster selections.

It all ties together in the Twins mind. They want to add another pitcher so to do that, somebody must be released, and that somebody will likely be Drew Butera so the Twins can sign Dan Wheeler. Gotta remove that temptation from Gardy’s reach.

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by Jessy S on Jan 23, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Can Bouroughs play first base?

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 23, 2012 10:25 AM EST reply actions  

Scene from Moneyball

Billy Beane: We want you, first base.
Scott Hatteberg: I’ve only ever played catcher.
Billy Beane: It’s not that hard, Scott. Tell him, Wash.
Ron Washington: It’s incredibly hard.

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jan 23, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

:-)

That said, they’re both in the infield and they are both corners. Its a common switch.

by DavidRF on Jan 23, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I love that

And it’s funny to me because, as a former first baseman, I always take Wash’s perspective, whereas most of my interlocutors take Beane’s perspective.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 23, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Funny

I’m a first baseman on my softball team, and I like it because it’s an easy position to play but other people seem to think it’s hard because you have to catch the ball all the time.

"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein

by BeefMaster on Jan 23, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Heh

It’s not hard in softball. But when you have to hold runners on and you catch 90 MPH throws over from 30 feet away that are sometimes wild, it’s tough. There are a lot of footwork issues with moving around the bag and trying to cover the hole with a runner on that only the best first baseman ever learn. Then there are bunts and other plays where you have to charge. And you always play even with the bag, so hard-hit balls get on you in a hurry. Anybody can play first base. You have to have soft hands and quick feet to play it well.

Third is similar, but you rarely have to field throws over. And you often can play deeper without needing to worry about covering the bag. The one thing you need as a third baseman that you don’t need as much is a strong arm. The only plays where a first baseman has to throw are on the 3-6-3 DPs and when they cut the ball.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 23, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I think the point is that there's a defensive spectrum

If you’re a good enough of an athlete to field one of the other seven positions, its usually not difficult to adjust to being a competent first-baseman. And historically, that’s been the case. First base is where players from other positions end up when they get hurt or old.

by DavidRF on Jan 23, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Or

You are an exceptional athlete like Joe Mauer and could play every position pretty well. That is a given since he had an uneventful night in the outfield last season.

Now watch him pull a stunt like Michael Jordan. Here he retires from baseball to become a quarterback for the Vikings signing as a non-drafted free agent, he makes the team as the third string QB in 2013, and is the starter in the regular season finale at Green Bay which is a win. After the season, he retires from football and rejoins the Twins for the 2014 season while spending the first two months in Rochester. This could happen, but I doubt the MLBPA would let him retire out of the blue.

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by Jessy S on Jan 23, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You can say that for just about everything on the site

Even with things you agree with or that make you go LOL.

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by Jessy S on Jan 23, 2012 2:20 PM EST up reply actions  

An investment in truth pays for itself many times over

An investment in absurdity wastes more time than you spend.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 23, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I know it is absurb

But I pointed that out in the above post. At least mine is rooted in reality where Michael Jordan quit basketball to play baseball. Randball Stu wanted us to acquire Airwolf.

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by Jessy S on Jan 23, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I did not have to scroll down

Very far before I knew whose comment it was.

by Han Joelo on Jan 23, 2012 6:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

And I can't believe I typed it.

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by Jessy S on Jan 23, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Joe knows football

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jan 23, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

True

However, the chances of him playing in the NFL are about as good as Airwolf pitching for the Twins. Even I know that which is why I put that disclaimer on at the end. The MLBPA will fight tooth and nail to make sure that he doesn’t retire in order to become Quarterback for the Vikings.

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by Jessy S on Jan 23, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions  

He'd be crazy to give up $23M/yr to be a 3rd string QB anywhere.

The MLBPA can’t force him to play baseball against his will.

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jan 23, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions  

True

But being on the Minnesota Vikings roster for one season has its advantages. I am pretty sure Mauer is past the point where he would have to be drafted into the NFL before he can pick and choose his own team. However, the chances of the MLBPA suing him are too great because you just can’t give up big money, even if the dead are saying “I hate Joe Mauer.”

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by Jessy S on Jan 24, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Fellow Cretin alum Chris Weinke went back to football at age 25

First round pick by the Jays but flamed out in the minors:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=weinke001chr

Ended up winning a National Championship and a Heisman at Florida State. And Weinke said Mauer was better than he was when he was in HS. A disappointing rookie season in Carolina led to him being a backup for the rest of his career, though.

I don’t think Joe has any regrets, though. :-)

by DavidRF on Jan 24, 2012 7:23 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't think Joe has any regrets either

The whole thing with baseball was to avoid the NFL Draft. Signing with the Twins was a complete no-brainer for him. Had he stayed, my guess at the very most is that he might have been drafted 11th overall by the Steelers in the 2004 NFL Draft maybe causing Ben Roethlisberger to slip down to the Buffalo Bills at the 13th or 22nd pick.

As for Chris Weinke, he was benched in the middle of the 2001 season and the Panthers signed Jake Delhomme who made all the difference in the world.

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by Jessy S on Jan 24, 2012 3:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Right

I’d like to see him play over there in spring training. With so few roster spots open, it’s not enough to be the backup third baseman and left-handed bat off the bench. He’ll need to be able to play first base if he’s going to make this roster.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 23, 2012 2:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Or Short

Or Second

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by Jessy S on Jan 23, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

No

We already know he can’t play short or second.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 23, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Read the comment that I made at 1:17 pm CST

The Twins know what to do with him. If he wants to make this team out of spring training, he has to play short or second.

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by Jessy S on Jan 23, 2012 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Then he won't make this team

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 23, 2012 5:02 PM EST up reply actions  

But we don't know that.

Sure we have an idea of who will make the team, but Gardy has the final decision on who will be on the Twins 25 man roster on April 6 at Baltimore. Thankfully he doesn’t have to make the final decisions until our game vs Tampa Bay on April 3 given that we play a game on April 4 vs Fort Myers.

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by Jessy S on Jan 23, 2012 8:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Point is

If Boroughs makes the team, it won’t be as a backup shortstop or second baseman. It will be as a backup third baseman and first baseman.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 23, 2012 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

That is likely true

However, the Twins might want him to have some experience in the middle infield. It is either that, or pencil in Trevor Plouffe at short or second. Ideally, he would be a replacement for Danny Valencia at third if he were to get hurt. That is why Borroughs will not make the team unless he learns another position. He has 71 days to do so.

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by Jessy S on Jan 23, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions  

He has about as much chance of being able to play in the middle infield as Manny Ramirez

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 24, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

So you're telling me there's a chance...


YEAH!

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jan 24, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Yep

While I’ll agree with cmath that first base is nontrivial to play well, it’s very easy to play adequately if you have much baseball experience. I’ve played all around the infield in both baseball and softball (second was my primary position in baseball for many years), and I feel far more confident in my abilities at first than anywhere else.

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by BeefMaster on Jan 23, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I was of the same mindset on Spring Training Games

I figured you’d walk up to the gate, see these native Floridians in their standard 80 degree weather gear:

And then just walk in for free.

Remember, remember the seventh of November.

by Go Twins! on Jan 23, 2012 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed

But the Twins, and all other teams, have to pay the salaries

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by Jessy S on Jan 23, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Liriano

Should I be concerned with how bad he has pitched this offseason?
I got very excited the year he pitched great in winterball, so to be consistent I should read his stats with dread.

But I’m not…but I am a little concerned.

by clutterheart on Jan 23, 2012 5:56 PM EST reply actions  

I think he's just trying to get some work in

In 2010, he pitched too much in winter ball, coming to camp in midseason form and burning out in August. Last year he didn’t pitch at all in winter ball, came into camp out of shape and never really got into a groove. This year he wants to split the difference.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 23, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Me too

I think he is trying to get work in, but hopefully he isn’t dealing with injuries.

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by Jessy S on Jan 23, 2012 8:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Burroughs and Towles

Burroughs could make the roster. And Towles could take Butera’s roster spot.

by AM. on Jan 23, 2012 9:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

The only problem for Burroughs

Is that he would want to learn to play the middle infield if he were to make the team. Otherwise he would have to wait until Danny Valencia got hurt. Otherwise he would be 4th on the 1st base depth chart since the three men ahead of him would be on the opening day roster.

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by Jessy S on Jan 23, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

He is not a middle infielder.

I would say he is better defensively than Valencia. If danny struggles early and Burroughs plays like he did at AAA last year, we could see burroughs getting a shot at 3B.

by .mnqwerd on Jan 24, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd rather have Ivan Rodriguez and Omar Vizquel as the backup C and SS/2B...

than Butera and Nishioka.

I usually root for players 38+ years old, an exception being Jeff Suppan.

And, yes, I know Vizquel signed a minor league deal with the Blue Jays today. Dag nabbit.

by benhertz on Jan 23, 2012 10:05 PM EST reply actions  

Yep

All we have to look forward to this season is rebuilding.

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by Jessy S on Jan 24, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

my view on the Twins

Casilla has more lives than a cat. The Twins have catered and tried to give him every oppurtunity to excel. My take is that he just won’t and can’t make it. He is stubborn in that he misses bunt signals on purpose, his body language when upset shows and he just muffes up most of the time. He has talent don’t get me wrong, he just has this attitude thing that shows bad at times.
Morneau ? I am in wait on him. I feel he got hurt and then found that if he just plays sick he still gets paid. It is time to get off his butt and get moving. Like the saying goes," When the getting gets tough the tough get going". I am in a wait and see this year.
Lirianno should be let to pitch as he feels comfortable with. He is not gonna be a hall of famer and his age is only good for maybe 3 or 4 more years. My thoughts would be to just let him pitch ( even if it is an irratic delivery). No use trying to make him change his delivery anymore.
The rest of the Twins need to produce like their lives are at risk this year. Last year was a nightmare and I think a lot of sluffing took place. Time to focus and move on. They need to vote a team captain too. I think the players need to sit down sometime in spring training and vote among themselves for a team captain.
I might add that I think the Twins can find one more relief pitcher with the $1 million left in their budget. I am thinking of bringing Neschek back, but then again I am not fully up to date on his past surgery and recovery status. I just think that he can be gotten for under $1 million.

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