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Staring Up at Prince and the Tigers

As everyone knows by now, the Detroit Tigers made a huge splash yesterday by inking Prince Fielder to a nine-year, $214 million contract. The deal ranks as one of the largest in baseball history, putting Prince in the same company as Alex Rodriguez and Albert Pujols in terms of total contract value.

The impact of this move on the Tigers has been well covered. Detroit ran away with the division in 2011, finishing 15 games ahead of second-place Cleveland and 32 games ahead of the 2010 Division Champs. While they were set to enter the season as the likely favorite in the AL Central, the devastating injury to Victor Martinez had seemingly opened the door for their division rivals.

Then yesterday happened. Prince signs the fourth-biggest free agent contract in history, and suddenly the Detroit Tigers have the best 3-4 punch in baseball to complement a pitching staff that features the best pitcher in the American League. What does this mean for the Tigers - and the AL Central - in 2012? Here's a couple takes, after the jump:

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"Adding Fielder pushes [the Tigers] from a solid team that would be in the mix to win a bad division up to being able to plan on playing in October and potentially challenging for a World Series title. After Martinez went down, there was probably no team in baseball that needed Fielder more than Detroit. If they were an 85-87 win team yesterday, they're probably closer to an 89-91 win team today."

-Dave Cameron, Fangraphs

"Signing Fielder makes the Tigers the most likely playoff team in all of baseball for 2012. The other four teams in the American League Central could merge and the Tigers might win the division anyway. Fielder and Miguel Cabrera are both first base/designated hitter types. They can split those two jobs this year and the Tigers will roll."

-Michael Rosenberg, Detroit Free Press

Strong words. But tough to argue against. After winning 95 games in 2011 (albeit with a Pythagorean win-loss record of 89-73), the Tigers appear to be a solid bet to reach 90 wins again this season, assuming their key players stay healthy and reach realistic expectations. By comparison, no other AL Central team even finished at .500 last season, and the best Pythagorean win-loss record among the remaining four teams was just a 78-84 mark from the Royals.

For the Twins, reaching that 90 win plateau would require a somewhat historic turnaround. The team would need to win 27 more games in 2012 than they won in 2011. That's not impossible - last year, the Arizona Diamondbacks posted a 29-game improvement that sprung them from the NL West cellar to the playoffs in just one year. But that kind of turnaround is certainly more of an exception than a rule. The Diamondbacks' jump last season was baseball's third-largest one-year improvement since 1990.

The Twins have made several smart moves this off-season which will certainly help fill some of the major holes the team endured in 2011. And healthy, productive seasons from key players like Joe Mauer, Justin Morneau, Scott Baker, Francisco Liriano, and Matt Capps will go a long way towards bringing our franchise back to respectability in 2012. But after the Prince Fielder signing, the gap between the Tigers and the rest of the AL Central looks larger than ever.

So should Twins fans have any optimism for the upcoming session? Of course. Baseball is a funny game, and the things we think we know in January often turn out to be wrong by October. This is not a perfect Tigers team. They're slow, weak defensively, and outside of Justin Verlander their rotation is filled with question marks that won't be served well by the team's defensive shortcomings. Some poor pitching compounded by poor fielding could leave even this lineup struggling to score enough runs each and every night. More importantly, Twins fans know just how quickly key injuries can derail a promising season. (Edit: Don't know how I missed this, but Brady Eyestone posted a FanPost yesterday detailing the Tigers' remaining shortcomings - check it out.)

Certainly there is more to the Prince Fielder signing than its impact on the 2012 race. The Tigers have clearly mortgaged the future to make a stab at a championship in the next two or three years, and the ramifications of this signing will be felt throughout the AL Central for the next decade. And major questions linger about what the club's defense will look like in 2013 when they'll be forced to find room for three players that are best suited for the role of designated hitter.

But on paper, this move clearly makes an AL Central crown in 2012 an even longer shot for a Twins team coming off one of its most disappointing seasons in franchise history.

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What are the Twins doing to make a championship run?

They’re not mortgaging the future, but they’re not quite rebuilding either.

by MNPundit on Jan 25, 2012 10:31 AM EST reply actions  

They are waiting to see how their favorite Candy performs this year

As has been talked about to great extends, the Twins success rises and falls with M&Ms

by twinscrazy_german on Jan 25, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh... V-Mart is out for the year?

Somehow I missed that in yesterday’s news. So, its Fielder/Cabrera at 1B/DH instead of Cabrera/Martinez.

by DavidRF on Jan 25, 2012 10:57 AM EST reply actions  

on balance, a plus for the Twins?

The Twins weren’t likely to contend in the next few years anyway. If and when they become contenders again, Fielder and Cabrera will be on the downswing, their contracts will be a drag on the Tigers, and the Tigers will be at a payroll disadvantage in relation to the Twins. So in the long view, this should help the Twins’ future prospects for winning the AL Central. In the meantime, the Tigers should be a fun team to watch.

by by jiminy on Jan 25, 2012 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

Reasonable and rational

But depressing! Me want win now! (But I’d prefer Detroit to Anaheim, Texas, New York or Boston.)

Steve Goodman lives.

by twinsbrewer on Jan 25, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure why we can't win in the next few years

Are you just writing Mauer and Morneau off?

Detroit looks killer on paper, especially on offense. But they still have to play the games.

by amiller92 on Jan 25, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

True

As Chris Berman said, “That’s why they play the game.”

Prince Fielder could get injured in his first spring training game while Justin Verlander goes down in the home opener and needs Tommy John surgery.

Or Prince Fielder has a career year and wins both the AL MVP and World Series MVP for Detroit.

Overall, Detroit is not the only team we really need to worry about this year. There is also Kansas City and Cleveland to a lesser extent. True there is also the White Sox, but they will be starting their rebuilding process.

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by Jessy S on Jan 25, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Last year at this time everyone was all but crowning the Red Sox after there big off-season.

We see where that ended. Although they were in a tougher division, but still. It’s not over until its over.

by bf4mvp on Jan 25, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Except they are 40 games under by the start of September

And our resident comics are making fun of the Prince’s weight.

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by Jessy S on Jan 25, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

DET vs the AL Central All-Stars

Because I had the time….
Tigers Edge All- AL Central
C Avila ALC C Mauer
1B Fielder DET 1B Hosmer
2B Santiago ALC 2B Kipnis
SS Peralta ALC SS A. Cabrera
3B M. Cabrera DET 3B Chisenhall
LF Young ALC LF A. Gordon
CF A. Jackson Push CF Span
RF Boesch ALC RF Choo
DH Raburn ALC DH Konerko

Bench ALC Bench
Brandon Inge 3B Mike Moustakas 3B
Don Kelly OF DET Alcidies Escobar SS
Gerald Laird C Carlos Santana C
Danny Worth 2B Grady Sizemore OF

Pitching
SP1 Verlander DET SP1 U. Jiminez
SP2 Scherzer PUSH SP2 Danks
SP3 Fister ALC SP3 G. Floyd
SP4 Porcello ALC SP4 Masterson
SP5 Turner Push SP5 Liriano

Bullpen
Valverde CL DET DET CL Soria
Joaquin Benoit RP DET RP Jesse Crain
Al Alburquerque RP ALC RP Matt Thorton
Octavio Dotel ALC RP Vinni Pestano
Collin Balester RP ALC RP Johnathan Broxton
Daniel Schlereth RP ALC RP Greg Holland
Phil Coke RP ALC RP Glen Perkins

by kjmick24 on Jan 25, 2012 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

That's what is being reported

"It happened in the moment, and it happened." - Carlos Gomez

by myjah on Jan 25, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

I reading that too

Its not as crucial that he succeeds there as I thought it was before I knew VMart was out for the year.

When you had Cabrera/Fielder/Avila/VMart on the roster, there was a log jam at 1B/DH/C. But with VMart out, everyone has a place to play. Worst case is Cabrera has to DH.

by DavidRF on Jan 25, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Good picks

But I would replace U. Jiminez with Carl Pavano.

I will post the game one lineup in a bit.

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by Jessy S on Jan 25, 2012 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Detroit vs the AL Central All-Stars Game 1

Three games in Detroit and Two at Target Field in Minneapolis (Detroit gets the edge because they are defending Champs in the division)

Game 1 at Detroit

AL Central; Manager: Ron Gardenhire
1. Span, CF
2. A. Cabera, SS
3. Mauer, C
4. Konerko, DH
5. A. Gordon, LF
6. Chisenhall, 3B
7. Hosmer, 1B
8. Choo, RF
9. Kipnis, 2B

Starting Pitcher: Carl Pavano

Detroit; Manager: Jim Leyland
1. A. Jackson, CF
2. Young, LF
3. Fielder, 1B
4. Inge, 3B
5. M. Caberea, DH
6. Kelly, RF
7. Peralta, SS
8. Santiago, 2B
9. Avila, C

Starting Pitcher: Justin Verlander

I’ll have the results in a fanpost later today.

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by Jessy S on Jan 25, 2012 2:15 PM EST reply actions  

Why in heaven's name

Is Pavano the starting pitcher?

by amiller92 on Jan 25, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not the only strange selection

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 25, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I believe Jessy

Is going with the pavano-as-tiger-killer meme?

by AM. on Jan 25, 2012 8:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The results of game one will be posted tomorrow

I will write it as a game summary.

As far as Pavano goes, Gardy is the Manager of the AL Central Team, plus I feel that Pavano could give some quality innings, but this is the Tigers we are talking about.

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by Jessy S on Jan 25, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Why not?

It could be a fun read.

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jan 26, 2012 8:38 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not as upset with this as most people...

Prince Fielder is a guy who – to me – is more of a liability than anything in the field, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him fall-off in the not-too-distant future. Hopefully this handcuffs the Tigers so that they’re cash-strapped from here on out.

I'm still a Minnesotan at heart...

by urluckyday on Jan 25, 2012 10:13 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not upset with this at all

Just was surprised. In any case, this would hurt the Tigers more than it hurts the Twins if they sign both Edwin Jackson and Roy Oswalt to big long term contracts.

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I would like to see Dallas vs the Giants on Thanksgiving, Make it happen NFL!

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by Jessy S on Jan 25, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

we need Oswalt

simple and plain.

Plus when at the top of their game,
Mauer + Morneau = Prince + Cabrera

offensively m&m are a little behind but they are also miles ahead on defense. If they can play up to form, I’d put them in the same boat. Cabrera making an error on D on roughly 1 in 10 chances… is going to be hilarious

REPORTER: What do you think is happening to the team?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: The ship be sinking.
REPORTER: How far can it sink?
MICHAEL RAY RICHARDSON: Sky's the limit.

by uofmike on Jan 26, 2012 12:52 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

You do realize that we are talking only 10% of the time.

Plus Cabrera will be playing 1st about 20-30% of the time because it is clear that there are situations where Jim Leyland may want Fielder as the DH.

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"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
I would like to see Dallas vs the Giants on Thanksgiving, Make it happen NFL!

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by Jessy S on Jan 26, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm still in favor of Edwin Jackson...

especially considering his dropping price. I’d rather take a gamble on Edwin Jackson for even 3-4 years (and it may not require that much at this point) than Oswalt for 1 or 2. I actually think it’s less of gamble if you look at their age/injury history/stuff translating to the AL at this point.

Plus, again, we’re very thin on starters for 2013 right now. So it’d be nice to lock in another guy for a couple of years. Baker/Jackson/Gibson/Wimmers/1 other in 2013? (still hoping for a Liriano extension myself)

by DJSkillz on Jan 27, 2012 12:14 AM EST reply actions  

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