Twinkie Town 2012 Top 50...Round 39!
by roger13 on Jan 25, 2012 1:55 PM EST
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PrintDanny Rams surged towards the finish line to collect 64 of 209 votes (30%), thus, winning the Thirty-Eighth spot in this year's poll. Andrew Albers was second (34), Pat Dean third (28), Dakota Watts fourth (23) and Angel Mata fifth (16).
Tyler Grimes received only three votes and will be dropped from the next round. Added will be two young men who were ranked 35th and 36th last year, Brett Jacobson and Daniel Ortiz. Jacobson, who is the lone piece of the J. J. Hardy trade still with the Twins, was 5-6 with a 4.56 ERA in 100.2 innings for New Britain last year. Following his season, he had a 6.94 ERA in the Arizona Fall League. Ortiz began his season with a month to remember in Beloit, however, it went downhill after the 1st of May. Ortiz, who many believe could be special, hit .239/294/.391 in 468 at bats with ten home runs.
This round will remain open until noon tomorrow, Thursday. Beginning following the fortieth round, I will eliminate the four players with the fewest votes so that we can get more names who have yet been available to vote on.
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If Perez rakes in April/May at Ft. Myers...
he could LEAP up lists. Good discipline all-around but no power in the GCL as a too-old 21 year old. CRAZY power considering the offensive environment at Beloit last year off the Tommy John while way too old. If the power stays in Ft. Myers (another terrible power environment) and he gets a quick promotion to New Britain he could get very interesting very quickly.
Starting my push for Daniel Ortiz
Strong year in Rookie ball, followed by one of the best months any player could have in Beloit. Top 50 player for sure.
"I couldn't do that. Could you do that? Why can they do it? Who are those guys?"
Yep,
He has potential and has shown it, that’s why he’s a 40-45 range guy for me and not higher. Had he carry those numbers longer, we’d be talking about him as a fringe top 10 guy.
"I couldn't do that. Could you do that? Why can they do it? Who are those guys?"
I voted for Lance Ray.
I like the XBH for the 21 year old in Beloit. I would’ve voted for Perez, but I’m too hesitant because he was a little old for the league.
Staying with Watts,
then Albers, then Dean.
Worth a Look
Really loved Perez’s number last year. Hopefully he jumps Ft. Myers and goes to New Britain. He’s one of the few guys left that actually may have a shot of playing for the Twins. Lance Ray also looks like he could be productive. Watts, Albers, and Dean, are all old scrubs who have no upside. I’ve noticed a favoritism towards pitchers in the voting. It’s a little ridiculous.
I wouldn't say favoritism toward pitchers either
Roughly half of a team’s prospects are pitchers because half the roster is pitching.
Beresford
Team MVP or co-MVP of his team the last 2-3 years….over Hicks, Rams, and several others who have been ranked higher. He HAS to be ranked soon. He’s one of the few the last 3 years who’s floated around a .250-.300 average…… .250 was in the midst of a huge slump last year.
I understand he needs to be more consistent defensively and maybe more steals, and bulk up a little bit….but number wise, he’s outperformed Hicks who is suppose to be Minnesota’s pride and joy. Only thing I forsee Hicks having for him is speed and a decent-good glove.
Huh?
Hicks in Beloit: .829 OPS 41 XBH
Beresford in Beloit: 711 OPS 25 XBH
Hicks in FM 722 OPS 41 XBH
Beresford in FM .627 OPS 13 XBH
They’re not even close. Beresford’s only path to the majors is as an elite defender. If he can’t be that, He’s not even Matt Tolbert. Sorry, I like the kid and he’s a good story, but he just doesn’t hit enough to be a prospect.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
.OPS
Yeah that’s slugging percentage + BA…..IDK if you’ve ever saw James, but he isn’t exactly a power hitter, nor someone who’ll drive it to the gap. Let’s break this down:
5 seasons:
Beresford:
BA: .282
OBP: .341
SLG: .319
OPS: .660
TB: 557
SO: 247
Hicks: (4 seasons)
BA: .266
OBP: .377
SLG: .407
OPS: .784
TB: 525
SO: 309
The knock I have against Hicks is, he’s not nearly as good as everyone makes him out to be. I had to chance to see Jonathon Singleton and Jiwan Jones from the Clearwater Threshers….they are a night and days difference. Hicks either strikes out or walks….every now and then he’ll hit a gapper and run. He’s got a lot to learn. I’m just trying to make a point that the difference between the two is not that much….IMO. But then again, I never claimed to be a scout.
See, that's what OPS means = On Base + Slugging
If his On Base average is higher and his Slugging percentage is higher, he’s generally considered to be a better hitter, meaning he produces more runs and fewer outs for his team. It’s not really a matter of opinion. It’s a scientific fact. And you don’t have to be a scout to know this. If you were a scout, you might agree with BA or MLB.com and rate Hicks in the top tier in the minors.
It’s also a scientific fact that hitters with higher OBP and SLG at the lower levels tend to hit better as they progress. The reason is, it’s relatively easy to hit singles in the lower levels against the pitching and defense at those levels. Those singles become outs in the upper levels. Walks stay walks and extra base hits stay extra base hits. But singles get caught. That’s what happened to Ben Revere.
The only stats where Beresford appears to have Hicks beat is in Total Bases. That’s because it’s a counting stat and he’s had an extra year. If you want an apples to apples comparison, look at the last four years of their careers:
Beresford: 515
Hicks: 525
But then again, if you add walks to total bases over the same period:
Beresford: 651
Hicks: 759
And if you add stolen bases:
Beresford: 685
Hicks 819
Again, you don’t have to be a scout to see that Hicks is a much better offensive player than Beresford. It’s not even close. Add the fact that he’s already an elite defender at a premium position and you can understand why Hicks is a top 5 prospect and Beresford isn’t in the top 40 in the Twins system.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Walks absolutely DO NOT stay walks...
at higher levels if you can’t hit with authority, which Hicks hasn’t done as a LHB. Pitchers with better command don’t miss as much, period, and if they don’t fear you they miss even less.
That said, it’s of coruse ridiculous to think Beresford is anything like the prospect Hicks is.
by tobynotjason on Jan 28, 2012 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
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