Mauer money, Mauer problems
Year 1 of Joe Mauer’s big contract went badly. Mauer was paid to be one of the best players in the game, and last season he was something like the 163rd best player (by Fangraphs WAR, Mauer contributed about as much as did A.J. Pierzynski and Nick Punto—ouch-er-ooski). Worse than that, he missed half the season with precisely the sort of injuries that terrify fans of 6’5’’, 220-pound catchers.
But the upside is just as clear. Despite the 2011 debacle, since Mauer’s 2006 breakout the players who have produced more wins above replacement (averaging Fangraphs’ WAR and Rally WAR) are Albert Pujols, Chase Utley, and exactly nobody else. Mauer’s still only 28, and last year was the first year in history he wasn’t more or less awesome at baseball. If Twins games are going to be fun to watch in the next 7 years, about 50% of that fun is going to be hailing our immortal Chairman.
And he’s not the only massive contract out there with a massive question mark behind it. I did a comparison of Mauer’s peers, below. This lists every position player whose team still owes them more than $54 million (what remains owed to the corpse of Alfonso Soriano), along with some other Mauer contemporaries worth looking at. After the jump I list: age; 6-year average WAR, calculated by averaging fWAR and rWAR; 3-year average WAR; years remaining; money owed; and average money owed per year.
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Player |
Age |
6-avg |
3-avg |
Years |
$ owed |
$/year |
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Albert Pujols |
32 |
7.9 |
7.1 |
10 |
254 |
25.4 |
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Prince Fielder |
27 |
3.6 |
4.9 |
9 |
214 |
23.8 |
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Joe Mauer |
28 |
5.5 |
5.1 |
7 |
161 |
23.0 |
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Matt Kemp |
27 |
3.4 |
5.4 |
7 |
160 |
22.9 |
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Ryan Braun* |
28 |
4.7 |
5.9 |
10 |
157 |
15.7 |
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Adrian Gonzalez |
29 |
4.8 |
6.3 |
7 |
154 |
22.0 |
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Troy Tulowitzki |
27 |
4.0 |
6.0 |
9 |
152 |
16.9 |
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Alex Rodriguez |
36 |
5.1 |
3.6 |
6 |
143 |
23.8 |
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Carl Crawford |
30 |
3.6 |
4.0 |
6 |
128 |
21.3 |
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Ryan Howard |
32 |
3.4 |
2.8 |
5 |
125 |
25.0 |
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Jayson Werth* |
32 |
3.9 |
3.9 |
6 |
116 |
19.3 |
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Mark Teixeira |
31 |
4.6 |
4.1 |
5 |
113 |
22.5 |
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Jose Reyes |
28 |
4.5 |
3.1 |
6 |
106 |
17.7 |
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Matt Holliday |
32 |
5.4 |
5.2 |
6 |
102 |
17.0 |
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Carlos Gonzalez* |
26 |
3.1 |
3.7 |
6 |
79 |
13.2 |
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Adrian Beltre |
32 |
4.2 |
4.6 |
4 |
66 |
16.5 |
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Miguel Cabrera |
28 |
5.5 |
6.2 |
3 |
64 |
21.3 |
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Vernon Wells |
33 |
2.3 |
1.4 |
3 |
63 |
21.0 |
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Jose Bautista |
31 |
2.7 |
5.5 |
4 |
56 |
14.0 |
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Alfonso Soriano |
36 |
2.9 |
1.1 |
3 |
54 |
18.0 |
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Hanley Ramirez |
28 |
5.0 |
4.0 |
3 |
47 |
15.5 |
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Derek Jeter |
37 |
4.0 |
3.4 |
3 |
41 |
13.7 |
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Evan Longoria* |
26 |
6.4 |
6.9 |
5 |
41 |
8.1 |
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Chase Utley |
33 |
6.3 |
5.5 |
2 |
30 |
15.0 |
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Justin Morneau |
30 |
3.0 |
2.6 |
2 |
28 |
14.0 |
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Dustin Pedroia |
28 |
4.3 |
5.2 |
3 |
28 |
9.3 |
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Ryan Zimmerman |
27 |
4.1 |
5.0 |
2 |
26 |
13.0 |
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Curtis Granderson |
30 |
4.6 |
4.1 |
2 |
23 |
11.5 |
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David Wright |
29 |
4.7 |
2.9 |
1 |
15 |
15.0 |
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(* = did not play in 6 season 2006-2011)
A few stick out like sore thumbs here. Howard is an oldish good player with the contract of a youngish elite player. Wells and Soriano are going to be paid like MVPs for 3 more years while their coaches agonize about whether they still even merit a starting job. Arod is a titan and still a performer, but so, so, so very old and with so, so, so many years remaining. I’m absolutely certain we will be saying the same thing about Pujols when he’s the same age (not that we’ll even know for sure when that is).
In the next group—the simply overpaid—I’d put Fielder, an insane hitter and young, but sized like a small moon and also, just not really that good as a total package over his career. Crawford and Werth are both good, toolsy outfielders, but surely overpaid.
On the other side, I think the best of the really massive contracts is probably that of Tulowitzki, who is young, insanely good, and locked up forever at an average annual value of less than $17 million per year. Longoria is the steal of the century, and you’d certainly leap at the chance to have Pedroia locked up for 3 years averaging less than $10 million per.
The rest, as far as megadeals go, are neither especially good nor bad at this point, and that’s about where I’d put the Mauer deal. 2011 was miserable, but the overall track record is still impeccable, and I fully expect him to be contending for batting titles for most of the next 7 years.
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Well done
But don’t expect to dis the Baby Jesus (or his contract, which is all you’re really criticizing) and have anyone like it.
Steve Goodman lives.
Its just kind of a dead horse
He signed the extension before the 2010 season started. I can’t imagine anything has been said that hasn’t been said a hundred times over. It just gets boring reading the same thing over and over again.
by DavidRF on Jan 30, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So Mauer is underpaid
He’s paid less than Prince Fielder and similar to Matt Kemp and he outproduces both of them. You have to consider that Mauer is a very good defensive catcher and WAR does a terrible job of fully evaluating catcher defense.
That Bautista contract is an absolute steal
Alex Rodriguez is still owed one hundred forty three million dollars
That is all.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
how many full length mirrors can he buy with that much money?
I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.
by montanatwinsfan on Jan 30, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Depends on the mirror!
Ace Hardware has a full-length mirror for only $10. The can buy 14.3 million of those.
Table Prestigue has a “Lalique Mirror Rinceaux” for $22,500. He can buy 6300 of those.
by DavidRF on Jan 30, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Excellent.
So he could buy 12 million Ace mirrors and still feed his family. Somewhere, Latrell Spreewell and several third world country dictators are crying over their snifter of brandy.
I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.
by montanatwinsfan on Jan 30, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Don't overdo it
If you blow the whole paycheck on mirrors, you won’t have enough left to commission portraits of yourself as a centaur.
"There are only two things that are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein
Wolves fans remember KG
Management argued they could never surround him with an adequate cast of characters and stay within the salary cap. So we traded him for spare parts and suffered through some of the worst years of pro basketball ever. Funny thing is, the Celtics didn’t have too many problems surrounding him with an adequate cast of supporting players with the same salary cap.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
It helped that they kept Paul Pierce
The Wolves never could get a “3rd” guy to help out.
I'd say in 2003-2004 they had that
Then Sprewell couldn’t feed his family and the whole operation went to hell.
Yep...
a horrible sequence of contracts ($30-40M worth) surrounded KG. And it’s the same with Mauer. It’s not Mauer’s contract that hurts the Twins. The Tigers aren’t bitching about what they pay Miggy or Verlander, etc. It’s the contracts we surround him with. Nathan, Capps, Cuddyer, Pavano, Blackburn, Yoshi, etc. When you waste that kind of money on contracts, it’s tough to win.
My point is, one guy does not make all the difference
You can have on contract like Mauer’s (or KG’s) if you are smart about how you build the team around him.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Pavano is not a wasted contract
$8M for an average pitcher is the going rate. Cuddyer was only slightly overpaid. Nathan was a waste just because it’s almost impossible for a relief pitcher to be worth that much, Nathan was pretty terrific. The Twins problem lately hasn’t been overpaying players, it’s been choosing them in the first place.
+1
Capps, Nishi and Blackburn are the only contracts in there that were unreasonable when we entered into them. Nathan would have earned his money if not for injury. And Pavano has earned and will continue to earn his keep. That seemed like a steal when we signed him. I think it will look more like a steal after this year.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
I think it's about allocation of resources...
it’s not that Pavano isn’t “worth” that; it’s that comparable pitchers can be found for less money. Ditto for the bullpen. I mean, we had something like $18-19M tied up in two bullpen pitchers last year. More than that the year before. That’s ridiculous for a team like ours. That’s all I meant.
I think we’re in agreement here; Mauer’s contract in NO WAY holds us back; it’s the other silly contracts that do/have. This team needs to operate smarter, like Tampa Bay.
Pavano
A lot of pitchers in his class last year were getting deals for 3/30. For us to sign him for 2/16.5 was a steal by comparison to last year’s market. I shudder to think what last season would have been like without him eating 220 innings. This year, those innings will help keep us competitive.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
It's about spending money on durable, quality players
Pavano is, at the very least, durable. Tampa Bay got lots of very high draft picks (talent) that have become quality players. They are lucky that their picks have worked out so well. Conversely, the Twins have had some bad luck with their draft picks and stars suffering nagging injuries. To say it’s ridiculous that the Twins have too much money tied up in bullpen help is in itself ridiculous. The twins had a poor starting rotation that rarely made it out of the fifth inning. With their anemic lineup, they needed all the bullpen talent they can get their hands on. Losing Guerrier hurt.
Pavano?
Pavano was a famous big contract bust for the Yankees. They gave him $39M over four years from 2005-2008. He got hurt in June of the first year of his contract and was only able to pitch 45 more innings over the next three seasons.
Yankees fans are still a bit bitter about Pavano. They have a much larger payroll in the Bronx and have the luxury of understanding that eating a bad contract once is a while is one of the risks of the game, but they still remember and they boo him. :-)
I lived in NY during the Pavano days, and remember it well.
It never ceases to amaze me that Pavano has gone from the pansy-assed, me-first-team-last, epitome of all that is evil in baseball in New York to the post-Punto paragon of toughness, heart, and baseball virtue in Minnesota.
Has Pavano really changed that much or is this baseball virtue stuff just handed out more or less at random?
Or maybe the NY press got it wrong?
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Feb 6, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions
That can't be!
@They never exaggerate, let alone make mistakes. @
The only explanation is he’s been saved!

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Durable for the twins.
An innings eater and bullpen savior, unlike Liriano.
I don’t think Nishi’s contract was unreasonable by any means. He’s only getting 3 million.
by Brady Eyestone on Jan 31, 2012 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
The total spend is $14.25 million
Counting the posting fee. If he washes out, that is a bigger waste than Capps. With that money, we could have signed Hardy to a two-year deal. I don’t know anybody who would rather have Nishi for three years then Hardy for two at this point.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
For three years.
Their 2 1/3-year spending on Capps is about $13.15m and Wilson Ramos. That’s still worse.
Yes, Ramos alone is worse
Even if Capps was cheap, that was a bad deal. The contract only made it worse. And Smith gloated over the fact that Capps still had an arbitration year left on his contract. “I would not do this for a one-year rental.” Oi.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
When you compare it to Hardy, sure. But, of and by itself it wasn’t an unreasonable move. It just didn’t work out.
by Brady Eyestone on Jan 31, 2012 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
I get that
Let’s just say it was a big risk that has not yet paid off. And I haven’t given up on it. But I was not the only one asking why you would take the risk for such a player when you have a player under your control as good as Hardy.
It’s not just hindsight here. Foresight should have kicked in and told Smith to spend the 14 million on a two-year deal for relatively safe bet in Hardy rather than betting to an inside straight in Nishioka.
We can say it was a scouting mistake. But every scouting report I read said four things about him:
1. He takes a lot of pitches, which might work better in Japan than in the US because of the relatively wide strike zone in Japan.
2. He has good range but he’s sloppy in the field
3. His arm is marginal for a shortstop
4. He’s injury prone
If these things were common knowledge, why would you risk so much on him when you have a good option in house?
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Jan 31, 2012 11:05 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Should read relatively narrow strike zone
In japan, they give hitters the benefit of the doubt on the corners. In the US, they give it to the pitchers.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
I’m not disagreeing with you. I’m not sure why you are trying to start a debate. My only point is that a total of 14 million for the player most of us thought we were getting isn’t a ridiculous deal at all.
by Brady Eyestone on Jan 31, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Not ridiculous
Just not praiseworthy.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Good question
Who was pushing Nishioka internally? I’m pretty sure Bill Smith didn’t get that idea on his own.
I'm guessing Norsetter was in on the decision
He’s the main scout for just about every region outside of the US and Carribean. Spends about half his time in Austrailia.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Same guy who signed Beresford for more then $400K
Also signed Smit, Kepler and Stuifbergen to big bonuses for European players.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
hindsight
is 20/20, as the saying goes. Hardy had a down year in Minny. That’s like saying management should have known that David Ortiz was suddenly going to become a more consistent player. You never know. If Nishi had hit .300 and stole 20 bases, everyone would have lauded Bill Smith and the Twins.
Hardy was one of the better shortstops in the league in 2010...
…despite missing a lot of time with nagging injuries. We can cry hindsight, But this board and several others screamed bloody murder when Smith made it known he was trading Hardy. We all thought it was a mistake. And we were all right.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
by cmathewson on Feb 4, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They could have had BOTH
They dumped Hardy and Hudson. They should have kept Hardy AND gambled on Nishioka. There were other ways to free up room in the budget.
Nishioka is more of a scouting failure
If he had been what the scouts thought he was his contract would be reasonable. $3M is the going rate for a decent middle infielder (see Jamey Carroll). Paying $4.5M for a closer isn’t really a mistake. Choosing Matt Capps to be that closer is the mistake.
It’s not that they couldn’t find better players. It’s that they aren’t finding better players.
exactly...
not to mention Gleeman’s fabulous piece on the bullpen choices this year the other day. We could have had an entire bullpen made up of pitchers as good or better than Capps for LESS money than we’re paying just him this year.
But Capps is the known quality
Capps makes sure Gardy doesn’t have to use rookies.
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Please remove the last line of your signature
This is not an appropriate forum for that topic.
by ColossusOfRhode on Feb 1, 2012 4:20 AM EST up reply actions 6 recs
agreed.
Jessy S, please remove the “abortion” link.
I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.
by montanatwinsfan on Feb 1, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
Jessy
I don’t care about your eBay crap, but please keep your politics/religious views out of my baseball.
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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Feb 1, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You read the signatures?
I don’t… and I don’t see the big deal. No one is making anyone here click on the link.
by diehardtwinsfan on Feb 1, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
When you don't have young, cheap talent it's tought to win
It is very difficult to build a winning team without some players who are being paid way below what they would earn on the open market. The current Twins team just doesn’t have anyone who fits that description. Liriano, Mauer and Valencia gave them that in 2010, but they all took a step back in 2011.
The Twins lost 99 games last year. Even if Mauer had played for free the extra 23 million wouldn’t have put them in contention. Obviously the contract will hurt the team if Mauer continues to be injured or becomes ineffective. I just don’t see the team contending until someone breaks out or they bring in a couple of really good players who are under team control.
mauer contract hurts this team, is WAY OVERPAID which will lead this team to NOWHEREVILLE
by Dan_20 on Jan 31, 2012 6:22 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Thank you for your opinion
Glad to see such a reasonable post from you.
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I can't believe people actually think this
If the Twins put Mauer on waivers he wouldn’t make it past Houston. 20 teams would claim that contract.
agreed...
every team in the league would take on his contract; he would have earned even more on the open market. again, Mauer and his contract aren’t the problem; it’s the use of our other resources and player evaluation that is holding this team back.
Yeah
The Yankees would have given him $300 million to play in the Bronx. That short perch in right field is only eclipsed by Fenway Park’s right field. The thought of him hitting balls in either ballpark night after night after night likely gave Bill Smith nightmares knowing that he was the one that lost Johan Santana.
I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
I would like to see Dallas vs the Giants on Thanksgiving, Make it happen NFL!
I’m amazed that you know this after one year.
by Brady Eyestone on Jan 31, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions
I capitalize WORDS in the MIDDLE of my sentences TO make MY point known.
It implies THAT I’m yelling.
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tESt
I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
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I would like to see Dallas vs the Giants on Thanksgiving, Make it happen NFL!

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