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Smackdown: 2012 Twins vs Remaining Free Agents

We know that our Twins haven't done a great deal over the winter. They've plugged some holes with relatively little money, and they've made a couple of shrewd if unpopular business decisions (my dad will be in mourning over Cuddyer's departure for at least the next six months). It's also that time of year where, for the most part, the free agent market starts to look pretty picked over.

But we know there are still some intriguing names out there. Prince Fielder has yet to find a home, so he'll be our first baseman. Our center fielder will be one of the most talented Cuban athletes the sports has ever seen, if you believe the hype. We already know there are still plenty of relief options on the market.

With that in mind, after the jump I present you with the 25-man roster for my free agent squad.

Star-divide

Let's be honest: even with Fielder, Navarro, Cedeno, Jackson and Cespedes under 30, this isn't going to be a young team. All the same, the top-level talent on this team has the potential to match the top-level talent within the current Twins MLB roster. Where the free agent team may have an advantage is in its depth. But does age catch up to them?

Starting Lineup (2012 age)

LF - Johnny Damon (38) - Shouldn't be an everday fielder and posted his lowest OBP (.326) since '01, but I'm hoping to get 110 games out of him while handing the remaining games to my fourth outfielder. Defensively the dude throws pies and may have a worse arm than Shannon Stewart. If I ever wanted to say I could do something as well as a Major Leaguer, I'd say I had Damon-esque arm strength.

3B - Wilson Betemit (30) - Vulnerable against lefties. Played for the Royals.

CF - Yoennis Cespedes (26) - This guy has all the tools and is "arguably the best all-around player to come out of Cuba in a generation." He's always posted great numbers, but over his last three seasons has posted batting averages well over .300, on-base percentages well over .400, and slugged over .600. He won't hit like that in Major League Baseball, but my team still needs him to hit well.

1B - Prince Fielder (28) - PRINCE SMASH!

DH - Vladimir Guerrero (37) - He can't run, field, or run, but he doesn't need to. I should mention he doesn't have to run, either. But can his bat give my team a dead cat bounce? Once more into the breach, dear Impaler.

RF - Cody Ross (31) - Stronger against lefties and can get hot at times. Really improved his walk rate last year. Remember the Cody Ross of the '08 and '09 Marlins? I want THAT Ross.

2B - Jeff Keppinger (32) - Not a good bet to post the solid .355 OBP that he did in 2010, but he has good plate discipline and can play anywhere on the left side of the infield. I'm a Twins fan. I've been indoctrinated to believe in defensive versatility.

SS - Ronny Cedeno (29) - Once a top 100 prospect for Baseball America. He's never lived up to that promise. But he's generally been a decent shortstop, and he's young enough that he probably won't break down. If I need to stop playing him, it's just because he's terrible.

C - Dioner Navarro (28) - Remember in '08, when we thought that Navarro had finally put it all together and was going to become the catcher he was always destined to be? Turns out that was the alternate universe Navarro. He didn't post an abnormally high BABIP that year, and has posted very low BABIPs the last three years, so if he just makes better contact he could hit better once again. Not counting on it, though. He'll hit below .200 again, but at least he's young enough that his knees won't fall off.

Bench

1B/3B/DH - Russell Branyan (36) - He's always destroyed right handed pitchers, kind of like David Wells destroying every bottle of PBR that passed through his field of vision. But last year he didn't even do that. Based on his lack of work in his career though, I'm thinking that was an aberration and that he's still fresh enough to pick up 300-350 PAs against righties. If Vlad struggles, half the time I could plug in Branyan.

C - Ivan Rodriguez (40) - A terrible hitter since 2004, the man is a mountain of baseball knowledge. He'll still call a good strategic game for his pitchers, even if that's the only thing he can do. And between him and Jason Varitek, who would you choose?

2B/SS - Ryan Theriot (32) - A career .282 hitter with a career .344 OBP, you could do worse for a backup infielder. He won't win this team any games, but I'm hoping he won't lose them many either.

OF - Jonny Gomes (31) - Unlike Betemit and Branyan, but like Ross, Gomes can tee off on a southpaw. I think he'd get a lot of starts in left over Damon.

Starting Rotation

Roy Oswalt (34), Edwin Jackson (28), Hisashi Iwakuma (31), Javier Vazquez (35), Rich Harden (30) - You can call this the "If Rotation". If Oswalt and Harden can stay healthy, if Vasquez doesn't officially retire, if Iwakuma can pitch like people think he can, and if Jackson can turn his ace stuff from a #3 starter to a #2 or #1, then this rotation could kick a lot of ass. Good names. A lot of question marks.

Closer

Ryan Madson (31) - Better than our closer. Whoever that ends up being. Unless our closer ends up being Ryan Madson.

Bullpen

Mike Gonzalez (LHP, 34), Arthur Rhodes (LHP, 42), Dan Wheeler (RHP, 34), Michael Wuertz (RHP, 33), Peter Moylan (RHP, 33), Juan Cruz (RHP, 33) - There's no doubt in my mind that this part of the team is, top to bottom, superior to what the Twins have in place. A couple guys may go through bouts of suspect command, but they'll also strike out a lot of batters and should be, in general, very reliable in terms of keeping games close and preserving leads.

Poll
Which team would come out on top over the course of a full season - the 2012 Twins or this squad of free agents?
Twins
282 votes
Free Agents
343 votes

625 votes | Poll has closed

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Pitching

Is way better on the free agent team. But I don’t think the position squad is even close.

by amiller92 on Jan 5, 2012 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

That's not right

Its close, I just don’t really want anyone there. Maybe Cespedes but he’s kind of an unknown. And Fielder, but he’s too expensive.

by amiller92 on Jan 5, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

You were right on the first one.

The Minnesota Twins have Joe Mauer and Justin Morneau. Plus the rest of the batting crew is just as good save for Drew Butera.

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by Jessy S on Jan 5, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd take the Twins' pitching and hitting actually...

I’d take Liriano this year over anyone on that staff of the FA’s. Baker too.

by DJSkillz on Jan 6, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

Edwin Jackson has to be the most overrated FA pitcher I’ve ever seen. What’s the fascination with him? I’d take Vazquez IN A HEARTBEAT over Edwin Jackson. If we sign Vazquez, Wheeler and IF we would have signed Beltran, we’d have a fighting chance. This $99-100 M payroll limit really sucks after it was $115 last season.

by originaltwinsfan on Jan 7, 2012 2:04 PM EST up reply actions  

The pitching on the Free Agent team is better, at least in the bullpen, but that lineup doesn’t scare anybody, even with Fielder. Not that the Twins lineup strikes fear in anybody either, but it’s constructed better than that. I feel confident saying Twins would take them down.

by MNTwinsGUFS on Jan 5, 2012 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

The Free Agent Staff...

… would have to be VERY lucky to not end up very bad. Of course, that’s pretty much the same deal with the Twins too…

"You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the damn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all."
~ Earl Weaver
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~ Billy Beane

by AdamOnFirst on Jan 5, 2012 12:13 PM EST reply actions  

Twins definitely seem better.

And my God, that rotation… The “If” rotation indeed. I’d want to try to add like a 6th, 7th, and 8th starter in that situation(!). I mean betting on Oswalt and Harden – HARDEN – to give you most of a season… woah.

by Patrick42 on Jan 5, 2012 1:05 PM EST reply actions  

+1

And that bullpen. Yuck. Plus, isn’t Iwakuma off the market?

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 5, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Iwakuma

Could the Twins sign him using their international signing budget? (And go over $100mm?)

by AM. on Jan 5, 2012 5:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The Interwebs never sleep.

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by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jan 5, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions  

If I were a Japanese person

I would sign with Seattle. A thousand times over. Ichiro or not.

Then again, if I were the Twins, I would have signed another Japanese player along with Nishi.

…and free candy for everyone. Lots.

by bl4ckduck on Jan 5, 2012 7:27 PM EST up reply actions  

It's done now

Jerry Crasnick says 1 year, 1.5 M with another 4.9 M in performance incentives.

"I learned something yesterday. No use in having rules if there's no punishment for breaking them. You'll be fine if you bite down on the trigger. Enjoy your breakfast."

by John_Locke on Jan 5, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions  

And he just updated it

Up to another 3.4 M in incentives. Not a bad deal, IMO.

"I learned something yesterday. No use in having rules if there's no punishment for breaking them. You'll be fine if you bite down on the trigger. Enjoy your breakfast."

by John_Locke on Jan 5, 2012 8:47 PM EST up reply actions  

There are reasons most of these guys are still un-signed...

The other teams could make trouble for us if they win. — Yogi Berra

by Twnzfan on Jan 5, 2012 1:33 PM EST reply actions  

But this is the kind of post

That gets Twinkie Town into the daily “Best of SBNation” post on the main page.

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by Jessy S on Jan 5, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Given how sh1tty the free agent class is...

…the vote says a lot about the lack of confidence in the local baseball team.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 5, 2012 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

Don't blame me

I voted for the Twins, but this lineup could present a good long series with the Twins and result in both teams splitting the games just like they are splitting the vote today.

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by Jessy S on Jan 5, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I voted Twins

but not by a large margin. This is the first season in quite a few I’ve not been excited going into the season in pretty much a decade.

by bl4ckduck on Jan 5, 2012 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Why should anyone be confident?

Twins had one of the worst bullpens in baseball last year. They have done nothing to improve it.

by clutterheart on Jan 5, 2012 6:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Less than nothing

They let Nathan leave. The bullpen is actually worse now than it was last year.

by DJL44 on Jan 5, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

On paper, yes

But I’m hopeful some of the young arms will do better in 2012. Ever hopeful, I guess.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 5, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

One of the Twin Centric guys

Got me hopeful about Burnett having a good year. but still the rotation will be at best average and the bullpen has Capps as the anchor. I have hopes too but i still am very down on their chances

by clutterheart on Jan 6, 2012 6:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

I was thinking of a guy like Gut

We need someone like that to step up.

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by cmathewson on Jan 6, 2012 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

I can see these guys all getting a chance in 2012

Robertson
Gutierrez
Oliveros
Guerra

If two of the four is as good as I think, we should get better as the year goes along.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Jan 6, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Forgot

Mijares is gone too.

I think Duensing will be good and Swarzak will be okay. Capps will be okay, not great. That’s 2 good arms (both lefthanded) and 2 okay arms. They’re 3 guys short and they don’t even have one really good guy like most bullpens. I think average is the absolute best case scenario on paper. Another year of horrible is most likely.

by DJL44 on Jan 6, 2012 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Fun thought experiment

But other than Fielder, the free agents don’t really blow me away…

Then again, you could replace Fielder with Mauer and say the same about the Twins.

by ColossusOfRhode on Jan 5, 2012 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

Given a choice

I rather have Joe Mauer than Prince Fielder. I am not saying that Prince Fielder is that bad, but first base isn’t a problem for the Twins. Right now Gardy has four choices as who to play at first and all of them give a positive boost to the lineup. The only question mark is Ryan Doumit, but he could easily be in the outfield on opening day along with Denard Span and Josh Willingham with Trevor Plouofe and Rene Tosoni on the bench as outfielders and Luke Hughes and Drew Butera rounding out the bench.

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by Jessy S on Jan 5, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not sure how much more clear the team can make it

That Doumit, who has only rarely payed there in hs career thus far, will not be playing much, if any, outfield.

by amiller92 on Jan 6, 2012 4:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Still

Doumit has more outfield experience than Joe Mauer.

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by Jessy S on Jan 6, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Zeus, really?

Are you even from Minnesota, Jesse? I’d be looking over your shoulder for Huginn and Muninn if I were you.

I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.

by montanatwinsfan on Jan 5, 2012 2:21 PM EST reply actions  

In that case...

please forget whatever it was that I didn’t actually write above…

I don't know, but I've been told it's hard to run with the weight of gold,
'the other hand, I've heard it said, it's just as hard with the weight of lead.

by montanatwinsfan on Jan 5, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to see a few of those guys...

Harden would probably be my favorite if he can be had on a reasonable deal.

by spanspanspan on Jan 5, 2012 3:33 PM EST reply actions  

We all are

But I think Cuddy made the right decision for his family

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by Jessy S on Jan 5, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

It's sad that I actually had to think about this before voting.

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by John_Locke on Jan 5, 2012 3:58 PM EST reply actions  

That's offally bad.

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"Tell Gardy there's nobody around to protect him now." Ozzie Guillen

by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jan 5, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions  

That's a deep bullpen

FAs position players will smash our bullpen.
and if our hitters hit like they did in 2011 then FA bullpen will smash us. lol

by Dan Cao on Jan 5, 2012 5:49 PM EST reply actions  

hitting

everybody’s saying that the free agent team’s lineup is pretty lame, and it is; average at best, anyway. But at what position besides Catcher is the Twins starter clearly superior? Right field, maybe. But everyone else, if on the free agent market, would be considered a pontential starter where exactly? Valencia, Casilla, Revere, Doumit, Carroll, injured Span, none of these would you dump your starter for. Morneau healthy, sure, but he says he needs to go right to sleep after practicing because his brain hurts. I’m really, really hoping for a full recovery, but I wouldn’t pay him on the free agent market as if he were a sure thing. I hate to say it, but I voted for the castoffs. There’s hope for the Twins, but it requires major improvements in a lot of guys, including basically the entire rotation. I think you’re looking at two teams that would be struggling to reach .500.

by by jiminy on Jan 5, 2012 6:56 PM EST reply actions  

depends on the big health question mark

Healthy Mauer >>>>>> average
Healthy Morneau >>>>> average
Healthy Span >>> average
I’m not sure why you are down on Willingham… the average OPS of a RF is .750. Willingham is above average, so is Doumit for that matter. Carol is pretty average, and I think Valencia will bounce back for league average as well. It really comes down to health….

by diehardtwinsfan on Jan 6, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

That's the thing

Even an unhealthy Mauer is better than average. If he has sore knees that keep him from the plate as catcher, he will go to first or play DH for you. In my mind, a lot of major league players would have wanted the 2011 season that Joe Mauer had.

I'm a proud fan of the Minnesota Twins and Dallas Cowboys!
"Life is precious and time is a key element. Let’s make every moment count and help those who have a greater need than our own." – Harmon Killebrew
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by Jessy S on Jan 6, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

not sure what we disagree on

I totally agree about mauer and I said so above. I also said right field is above average. Morneau when healthy, of course, but he’s not. Likewise Span. Of the players that we actually have, only catcher and right field are above average, and rf not by much.

Span is a better bet to be healthy than Morneau, but he’s very inconsistent even when healthy. I just don’t know what to expect from him. Carroll has good stats but has never started. He could be Mike Lamb. I don’t know why you expect Valencia to do better. Maybe he will, maybe he won’t.

I wish we’d offered all our relievers arbitration last year, and traded all our veterans at the deadline, so we had a sack of draft picks, and a chance to emulate the Rays, but we didn’t. We’re kind of stuck hoping for luck, anything above mediocrity, and a bad division giving us a chance to lose to the yankees in the first round again.

I sound tired. I’m going to sleep and hope to feel optimistic in hte morning.

by by jiminy on Jan 6, 2012 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

We lost two relievers to free agency

If you are saying we should have kept Jon Rauch? Maybe, but maybe we wouldn’t resign Jim Thome or Carl Pavano. As for trading our vets, I don’t know but you are going to have to come up with the answer as to why we didn’t trade Delmon Young, Michael Cuddyer, or Jason Kubel. Likely the only one that knows that answer is Bill Smith.

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I would like to see Dallas vs the Giants on Thanksgiving, Make it happen NFL!

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by Jessy S on Jan 7, 2012 4:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Crain, Rauch, Guerrier and Fuentes

By my Minnesota maths, that’s four relievers. We should have offered all but Fuentes arbitration and brought back Rauch and Crain instead of Capps. Hindsight is 20-20. Smith kept Capps because he was under the foolish notion that he needed a year and a half out of him if he gave up Ramos for him. If that was his notion, he should never have made the Ramos trade.

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by cmathewson on Jan 7, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

2012 Twins vs Godzilla

VS

Unless Morneau and Mauer are completely healthy, most like they will be smashed under Godzilla’s mighty feet. The rest of the Twins will most like likely be consumed by fire from his atomic breath. And without superheroes like LNP or Thome, or Cuddy’s magical powers to save the day anymore, it looks pretty bleak. Our only hope is if Nishioka, who is also a native of Japan, knows a few tricks in dealing with atomic mutants.

Or if the Pohlads come up with some more cash and trade a few prospects to get Mothra or Rodan.

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"Tell Gardy there's nobody around to protect him now." Ozzie Guillen

by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jan 6, 2012 9:23 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I meant to write that comment that way. :P"

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"Tell Gardy there's nobody around to protect him now." Ozzie Guillen

by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jan 6, 2012 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

quibble

Godzilla’s a free agent, right? So he’d actually be on the other team, in this thought exercise. I think our only hope is to reanimate some zombie Twins greats.

by by jiminy on Jan 6, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Or Senators

Anybody for Walter Johnson?

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by Jessy S on Jan 6, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I just hope he's headed towards Wisconsin.

"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"Tell Gardy there's nobody around to protect him now." Ozzie Guillen

by less cowbell, more 'neau on Jan 6, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

WIth Hishashi Iwaukuma signing with the Mariners RHSP

I’d replace him with Paul Maholm probably.

Yoenis Cespedes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW9ge8l3jY8

by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Jan 6, 2012 3:54 PM EST reply actions  

I would take Paul Maholm

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by Jessy S on Jan 6, 2012 8:18 PM EST up reply actions  

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