Twinkie Town 2012 Top 50...Round 45!
by roger13 on Feb 1, 2012 12:38 PM EST
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PrintThe Forty-Fourth spot in this year's ranking goes to New Britain outfielder Evan Bigley. Bigley collected 67 of 208 votes (32%), with Angel Mata second (27), Danny Lehmann third (25), James Beresford fourth (23) and Jairo Perez fifth (22).
Four players were very close with eight to twelve votes. All four will be included in the next round. Dropped will be Markus Solbach who received only four votes. Added will be the only two players from last year's Top 50 who have not yet been included, Daniel Osterbrock and Tony Davis. Osterbrock was pitching well in April at Ft. Myers where he was 2-0 with a 2.95 ERA in four games. In May he moved up to New Britain where he allowed thirteen earned runs in 6.1 innings in two starts before going on the disabled list for the rest of the year. Davis was very good working out of New Britain's bullpen. He appeared in seventeen games (28.0 innings0 with a 2.57 ERA, 24 strikeouts and 12 walks.
As we move into the final week, this round will remain open until noon on Thursday. Let me know if there is someone who I have missed who really deserves a chance to be voted on.
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Going with Mata
Then Beresford. I think Beresford could be Matt Tolbert someday.
How about a run-off for positions 46-50
I think we could declare that those positions should get at least 51% of the vote.
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Had to go with Perez out of this bunch
Hard to ignore the numbers, age be damned. I would, however, like to start a…
Vote! for Jorge campaign
Jorge Polanco, that is.
Question (imagine Dwight Schrute’s voice, if you will):
Miguel Sano is to Jorge Polanco as:
Akeem Olajuwon is to Sam Bowie, or
Akeem Olajuwon is to Michael Jordan.
If you choose the former, you may be saying that Sano is destined for the Hall of Fame and Polanco is destined for the scrap-heap. You may also think that two teenage, short-season years and 2.5 million bucks are enough to judge one player No. 1 and another not even top 50.
If you choose the latter, you may realize that baseball is a fickle game, and that one day we may be left with this analogy: M.S. is to J.P. as Nelson Cruz is to Derek Jeter. Or worse. The Twins gave Polancon $750,000 for a reason, and two short, teenaged seasons aren’t enough to go on. At very least, he could be this year’s Niko Goodrum.
Serious question for those who may know:
Polanco only played about a third of his games at Short last season. Is this because:
A. He sucks at SS
B. He is so accomplished a defender that he was able to stay on the field at other positions while other guys got reps at Short.
I would vote for Jorge if I had the chance
Question: Which prospect not yet on the board received the highest signing bonus from the Twins?
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Yeah, wasn't he taken off the 40-man at one point
I know he was reinstated last year. But he technically isn’t eligible for this board. Then again, we made an exception for Bromberg.
I was thinking of Polanco, who signed a free agent contract for $750,000 the same year Sano signed.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Waldrop's bonus was $1M
He’s on the 40 man roster again. Just goes to show signing bonus isn’t everything. We really should see Polanco before the voting is over.
Polanco was in the voting four rounds ago, got 11 votes.
…Will bring him back again before we are done.
Yeah, and I wasn't one of the eleven
But at this point in voting, I kind of agree with some comments below—there are still a smattering of High/Risk, High/Reward guys out there, and I’d probably fill out the last 5 slots with some of them.
Polanco tops my list of those guys, although I still wonder about his defense—is he a whiz that can play multiple positions? Or not as slick fielding as advertised?
Add real prospects at this level PLEASE
Rory Rhodes, Nick Lockwood, Kenny Vargas should all be locks in the top 50 but instead you have AJ Peterson, Adam Bryant and Tyler Grimes in the mix for consideration. Come on guy you have to be kidding me here.
Rhodes has true athleticism and big pop in his bat, Lockwood lead all Twins minor league middle infielders with a .993 defensive line while hitting .260 and Vargas is an absolute monster that probably would have lead all hitters in ETown had it not been for his early dismissal from the team.
Are we truly voting for prospects now or what?
Tyler Grimes was a 5th round pick
Rory Rhodes put up a .750 OPS in Elizabethton – which is a terrific place to hit. His “big pop” was two HR. Lockwood was even worse – .660 OPS and he’s a year older than Rhodes. Grimes is only 6 months older than Lockwood and put up a better OPS at a higher level. Plus Grimes plays SS and Lockwood plays 2B.
Kennys Vargas can hit a little, what happened?
Your both right!
Rhodes,Vargas,Grimes, should make the list. Lockwood I’d give one more year.
by b1 on Feb 2, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
If OPS is the only metric used to determine “prospect” status then you are correct. I personally do not believe that OPS is the magic number when developing a young player, although it is indicative of offensive contribution. If I am looking at future projection, especially a middle infielder, I also need present day defensive contribution numbers. If a team cant defend the middle of the field…give up! The minor leagues last year were full of sub .900 infield defenders and that is truly.impossible to defend (no pun intended). At some point one must elevate defensive production to a level near or equal to offensive production if you are truly going to evaluate a players true impact on an organization.
by joebagodonuts on Feb 2, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
Players who can't hit don't make it to the big leagues
OPS isn’t the only metric but a sub .700 OPS is bad at any level. Maybe a catcher can get away with hitting that poorly but you sure can’t at 2B.
OPS is not the only indicator
It is just the best indicator. If a guy can’t put up a better than 800 OPS in the Appy league, he’s not a prospect, unless he’s an elite defender at a premium position. Even then, he’s probably a bench player at best. Also, lots of guys have 800+ OPSes in that league and never make it past A ball (Deacon Burns says hi, and he had Ben Revere’s range).
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
No I am not kidding 'guy'
…Lockwood, in his third year of professional baseball hit .260/.663 OPS at Elizabethton. I expect Lockwood will be out of the organization sometime in 2012. Pettersen, right out of college hit .286/.763 while missing half the season with a broken nose and having to start everything over after his injury. Rhodes has massive power, yet, where was it? He hit two home runs in a hitters ballpark/league. Vargas, probably should be in but he is in the early stages of a 50 game suspension which will keep him out for nearly half of next year.
Out of the organization? Why do you predict that fate Roger13?
by joebagodonuts on Feb 2, 2012 11:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
The Twins release at least 20 guys a year
Most of them in spring training. If he can’t make the Beloit roster, he’s gone. He might make it as a utility player, but he’s not going to beat out Rosario at second, Micheal at short or Sano at third.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Amen
I was looking at his numbers and wondering why he isn’t gone yet. Polanco has hit better and he has been rated the Twins best fielding shortstop prospect (2010) by BA .
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
I guess BA didn't see him enough in 2011
Dozier was rated the top fielding shortstop in the system for 2011.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
Gotta love catchers - they earn my respect
Steve Holm and Rene Rivera and Lehmann all occupied the catcher slot for Rochester last year, Lehmann only got into 43 games for the Red Wings.
Toughest position in baseball and it is good that the Twins put their focus on their catchers. I voted for Lehmann.
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