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A couple of days ago, Phil Mackey stole my idea for today's post. Unwittingly, of course, since we don't compare notes, and I suggest you take a look. He's the most intrigued by the second and third players on his list. It's a good read.

But I'll also point you to TwinsGeek's article from yesterday, where he points out that options are going to limit the number of players who will be realistically competing for a roster spot. He points out that, as far as position players go, it's unlikely that there's anything for us to speculate over. John also points out a couple of relievers who would require roster spots to avoid needing to be passed through waivers for assignment to Rochester, although in this case there certainly are other players in the mix (and less to lose by risking certain players to waivers).

With those two posts in mind I'm altering my planned course for today, just slightly, by looking at a few players who could provide the Twins with some much needed support this summer.

Trevor Plouffe

Plouffe was an enigmatic in some ways last season. At times he flashed impressive power, like when he homered in his first plate appearance of the season; then he'd botch a play in the field, sometimes more than once in a game. He was streaky, starting out strong and having an especially strong 20-game stretch that lasted to early September. But eventually those upswings would disappear as he'd expand the strike zone.

Will a move to left field help Plouffe? It might. His arm is strong enough to play there, and accuracy isn't quite as important throw-for-throw. His ability to make contact will go a long way towards his ability to make a difference at the plate, and would allow his plus power to show itself. I'm not sure Plouffe is ready for full-time duty, but I do believe he could be more than capable in 300 plate appearances; .260/.320/.430 with 10-12 home runs isn't outside the realm of reality.

More after the jump.

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Terry Doyle

Doyle, as a Rule V pick from the White Sox, needs to stay on the roster in order to avoid being returned to Chicago. Initially I was as unimpressed with him as I was with Matt Maloney, but there's one thing that Doyle can do that Maloney cannot: induce a high percentage of ground balls. Doyle consistently induces grounders at a rate better than 50%, leading to just 27 home runs allowed in 422 innings pitched.

Jeff Gray also induces a high number of ground balls (52% in the Majors over 88.2 innings, much higher in the minors), but I'm picking Doyle over Gray for the simple reason that Doyle is automatically off the roster if he doesn't break camp with the Twins. Gray could pass through waivers and be available in Rochester; a calculated risk, but he's not an obvious target for teams eyeing the wire. Also: here's a very interested read on Doyle from FanGraphs.

While Doyle doesn't have overpowering stuff, if his infield defense can back him up he couple be a solid (if streaky) middle reliever. At times luck would play against him and a few grounders would sneak through, but at the same time he could be the guy that comes in during the fifth and sixth frames to keep a big inning off the board.

Darin Mastroianni

A 16th round draft pick in 2007, Mastroianni is a center fielder who can also play the corners. At 26, and now five years removed from the draft, Mastroianni has flown under the radar due to decent (but not great) batting averages and a lack of power.

Mastroianna does, however, have two tools worth a second look: his speed and his plate discipline. His walk rates have been between 11% and 13% as he's come up through Toronto's farm system, leading to a .370 on-base average in nearly 2400 plate appearances. He's also stolen 200 bases, for an average of 40 per season in the minors, at an 81% rate of success.

He won't go north with the Twins at the end of spring training, but with a good season in Rochester the team could look to him when a need arises in the outfield.

Danny Valencia

It's probably odd for Twins fans to look at Valencia's name and consider him a dark horse, but outside of Minnesota there aren't a lot of expectations for Danny to make strides over his 2011 performance. And in that sense, Valencia could surprise a lot of people. Even if it's only outside of Minnesota.

We've said here on a few occasions that Valencia isn't as good as his triple slash in 2010, nor as bad as he was last season. The reality is somewhere in between, and looking at his underlying indicators of performance there wasn't much different from his rookie season to his sophomore year. Balls in play were similar, walk rates and walk-to-strikeout ratios were similar, his isolated power was identical. The biggest variations came in chasing a few more balls outside of the strike zone, and on batting average on balls in play.

With all of the injuries last season it's certainly possible that Valencia was putting some extra pressure on himself. We know the manager was doing plenty of that for him, too. This season, with a healthy middle of the order, Danny will hit seventh or eighth once again and won't be relied upon as a make-shift middle of the order bat. Another 600 plate appearance season for a healthy Valencia, and a .270/.330/440 season with 20 homers, would help the Twins field a deep offense. At least, deeper than we might expect at first glance.

Brian Duensing

Duensing was able to surprise a few people with how effective he was as a starter for the Twins, until luck balanced out and his inability to retire right-handed batters was too much to risk over five-plus innings. With his move to the bullpen, if he's used correctly he could become one of the most effective LOOGYs in the league.

In his Major League career, Duensing has held left-handed hitters to a .203/.248/.263 line (as opposed to .300/.359/.477 for righties), while posting a 4.8-to-1 strikeout-to-walk ratio. Against righties, that ratio was less than 2-to-1.

One thing that Gardenhire does well is manage his bullpen. When he has an established hierarchy, and understands the roles his pitchers play, he can get the best out of his guys. In the past, pitchers like Dennys Reyes, Ron Mahay, and Jose Mijares have had success as short appearance relievers. If Gardy can recognize Duensing as that kind of a guy, and not a long reliever like Anthony Swarzak, then the Twins bullpen is already one step further away from the failure it was in 2011.

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His arm is strong enough to play anywhere, including pitcher

Still clocked int he low 90s. It’s just not accurate enough to play in the infield.

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by cmathewson on Feb 16, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I assume . . .

also not accurate enough to pitch?

by That'sWhatSheSaid on Feb 16, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Interesting question

Probably not at this stage. But it’s a lot easier to be accurate as a pitcher than a shortstop. Why? Because you can take your time and you’re always throwing from the same position with a rubber to push off on. When he was wild at short, it’s because he rushed his throws and threw from an odd position. This is also why guys like Cuddyer are more accurate from the outfield. They have time to set themselves and throw with good mechanics.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 16, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Two different types of throwing

Pitching arm and fielding arm is VERY different. As a ball player myself who has pitched in the past and mainly plays 3B, is not very tall but strong upper body, I’ve actually clocked my fielding throw significantly higher than my pitching throw. It’s hard to explain, but it’s just not the same thing.

by cdubs3201 on Feb 16, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Throwing after a crow hop

puts a couple more mph on the ball. Plus, you don’t have to worry that the first baseman is going to hit the ball back at your face.

by jimbo55403 on Feb 16, 2012 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Arm accuracy comes from footwork

Outfield footwork is much easier than SS footwork.

by DJL44 on Feb 16, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Basically my point

Just more elegantly written.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 16, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Comes from explaining it to kids

They look at you a little funny when you tell them they throw with their feet

by DJL44 on Feb 16, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh

I’d put more on release point and mechanics especially, not as much on footwork.

by cdubs3201 on Feb 16, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

If your feet are in the wrong place you will throw to the wrong spot

If your feet are in the right place it is much harder to make a bad throw, still possible.

by DJL44 on Feb 16, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions  

True

As we discussed on Monday, playing the infield is pretty hard to the point that the fielder has to nab the ball and quickly make the throw. That is hard to do with the legs split wide while trying to prevent a ball from passing to the side, and then fielding that ball and throwing it a split second later. When the fielder throws the ball, their feet are shuffled so fast that it is impossible to make a good throw. Outfielders are usually in prime throwing motion when they catch the ball. I’ll put it this way, Trevor Plouffe could be a better quarterback than a ballplayer because he usually has two to three seconds to throw the ball.

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by Jessy S on Feb 16, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Not complex skills

We’re not talking about juggling soccer ball with your feet or blocking a speedy edge-rusher in football, it’s step-and-throw. This is something any “pro-athlete” and lower level should be able to accomplish without much work at all unless something went drastically wrong in his learning process as a kid or has an injury in his legs that’s causing bad footwork.

Usually, not always, if a guy can’t throw very hard it’s usually because he just doesn’t have a good arm which is a combination of strength and mechanics. I may be alone on this, but I think arm strength has a lot to do with accuracy, but that’s just my opinion from playing my entire life.

by cdubs3201 on Feb 20, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Edit*

I meant if a guy is inaccurate it’s sometimes because he doesn’t have a good arm. It means he may be trying to hard to get the ball to the destination and focusing on distance rather than placement.

by cdubs3201 on Feb 20, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Different footwork. Easier?

An outfielder (other than Ben Revere) is expected to get off a powerful, accurate throw unless they’re running fast perpendicular to the line of the throw. That takes good footwork, because the greater distance invites more error. Because of that, an outfielder typically wants to throw straight overhand, to avoid curving the ball. When I was a kid I learned to throw several ways, sidearm, sub, three quarters and straight overhand. Overhand gives the ball a nice straight backspin that allows you to fire it flatter and still get good distance. That’s how Cuddyer throws strikes from deep right to second base. But you really need to square off your front shoulder to the target, otherwise the ball takes off high and right. You also have to learn to throw your whole body into a flying shoulder roll on the follow through, so every ounce of energy gets delivered into the throw. I wish Ben Revere would learn that. He gets very little leg and body into his throws.

by jimbo55403 on Feb 16, 2012 6:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Duensing is more than a one out guy.

Unless he’s facing the one of the top RH batters in the opposing lineup I think I’d let him pitch. He can get the shortstops and catchers out.

by DJL44 on Feb 16, 2012 12:19 PM EST reply actions  

Weak right-handed hitters in general, yeah.

Most of the time you’re probably not worried about them hurting you.

by Jesse on Feb 16, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

He might be able to get everyone out in the bullpen

Part of his problem against RH batter is his fastball is too slow. If he’s throwing 1 inning instead of 5 he might gain a couple MPH and be more effective against everyone. It also helps that he has multiple pitches instead of just being a sinker/slider guy.

by DJL44 on Feb 16, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

That'd be a bonus.

Chance him against a few unimpressive right-handers, or better ones in low leverage situations, start to see if there’s a change in results. I think having an extra pitch or two will help him as a reliever more than the extra speed on the fastball, but until we’ve seen him in sustained action as a reliever it’s hard to say. I do think he has a chance to be a good reliever, and if that means he’s less terrible vs RHB, then that’s fantastic.

by Jesse on Feb 16, 2012 5:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Options

I think options are overblown. They have enough arms anyway that they can take the best 12 guys and let the chips fall where they may on options. They have a long history of sending guys out who were out of options. I still get a pit in my stomach when I think they kept Corky Miller as the fourth catcher instead of local hero Mike Restovich, who was out of options and got claimed off waivers. They then proceeded to dump Miller (who passed through waivers) 12 games into the season and struggled to have any right-handed power off the bench for the next four years. Upshot: They don’t seem to care much about options.

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by cmathewson on Feb 16, 2012 12:56 PM EST reply actions  

Mastroiani is

a very good defensive player as well. led the Blue Jays system in outfield assists over last 3 years – and can play a pretty solid 2b as well.

Gap to gap line drive type hitter – can bunt – great eye – and is both fast and quick.

My bet is that alot of Twins fans are going to be happy if they give him the chance.

by bobo121212 on Feb 16, 2012 3:05 PM EST reply actions  

Second base

Mastroianni hasn’t played second base since 2007. I guess you could put him there as a last resort, but you can’t consider that defense an asset after a five-year hiatus.

by Steve Adams on Feb 17, 2012 12:53 AM EST up reply actions  

After last season

I think it’s fair to say that just about everyone on the Twins roster is a dark horse candidate

by 2wins87 on Feb 16, 2012 5:44 PM EST reply actions  

ZING!

Stings because it’s true…

by Jesse on Feb 16, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Great read Jesse, i agree with all those....

Hopefully we see a Oliveros, Burnett, Waldrop, Guerra, Gutierrez type step up in the bullpen as well.

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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Feb 16, 2012 6:03 PM EST reply actions  

If just one of those guys

steps up and performs out of the Twins’ bullpen this season, it’ll be huge.

by Jesse on Feb 16, 2012 6:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Nobody is talking about my dark horse

Joel Zumaya. If he can return to form and stay healthy, he could eventually become the closer.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 16, 2012 6:26 PM EST reply actions  

Duensing has a lot of talent

Brian Duensing has the talent to be an excellent major league starter. Last year something went wrong with his delivery, but I’ve seen him when he completely dominated hitters, both left and right.

I can see using him initially this year as a short reliever. Last year I dubbed him “the invisible man” because he’d get his three outs and be gone so fast, you’d miss it if you blinked. Maybe working from the pen will click with him and he’ll rediscover what made him so dominant. Can he bring his short reliever technique to a starter’s role? Was it a matter of using a quicker pace? That’s what I’m wondering about Duensing. What I’m sure of is that this guy’s got the ability to get a lot of hitters out.

by jimbo55403 on Feb 16, 2012 6:53 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

How about Blackburn?

Duensing, Valencia, and others have peripheral stats that point towards improved success this season. But an on top of his game Blackburn, with an improved defense behind him, could be a real darkhorse. I think Blackburn might actually mean “darkhorse” in German.

by Han Joelo on Feb 16, 2012 7:47 PM EST reply actions  

That's the thing

His elbow won’t be healthy until he blows it out, has TJ surgery, and comes back after rehab, imho.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 16, 2012 8:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope, I can assure you it does now.

Then again, there isn’t exactly a Word for darkhorse, as one essentially has to express the meaning in a roundabout way.

I will now begin trying to introduce Blackburn into the German language. That is, until I move to the US this fall.

by twinscrazy_german on Feb 17, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

If you really want a darkhorse

I think it’s worth throwing Nishi out there. The guy had a really tough year, and I believe there is more talent and production than we saw from big transition/big injury/big head case season that he had. Do all the TT gurus really think he is beyond redemption?

by Theo77 on Feb 17, 2012 10:29 AM EST reply actions  

Exactly

I don’t think he’s beyond redemption, but that’s just me.

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by SooFoo Fan on Feb 17, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Valencia

Against lefties Valencia was pretty good last season. His .168 ISO was above league average. and his 125 wRC+ was much better than when he faced righties. Against right handers his ISO was a lackluster .128 and his 75 wRC+ was brutal. Facing left handers he only struck out 13.2% of the time, but when he was up against right handers he struck out 18% of the time. Naturally that affected his OBP against right handers. If he can solve that problem this season, he can be an above average third baseman.

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by MauerFan on Feb 18, 2012 5:49 PM EST reply actions  

Yah, but if he wants to remain a major league starter ne needs to improve against righties a lot. His K% isn’t terrible, but everything else is pretty bad.

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by MauerFan on Feb 19, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Michael Cuddyer says Hi

He has even worse platoon splits, and he’s remained in the majors for quite some time.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 19, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Umm, what?

Cuddyer:
R vs R:
.326 OBP, .170 ISO, 101 wRC+
L vs R:
.379 OBP, .202 ISO 130 wRC+

Valencia:
R vs R:
.283 OBP, .128 ISO, 77 wRC+
L vs R:
.389 OBP, .157 ISO, 143 wRC+

Obviously it’s a really small sample, but Valencia is much worse versus righties. He has some work to do.

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by MauerFan on Feb 19, 2012 1:08 PM EST up reply actions  

It'll regress to the mean significantly.

It almost always does with RH hitters, given enough time.

(The downside is, his true talent is almost certainly not to mash LHP to the extent he has while raising his numbers v RHP. Take his overall numbers and work out the OPS split around a 1.09 ratio. Cuddyer’s a fairly extreme case – watch enough games and you already know why – and his OPS ratio is 1.14.)

by tobynotjason on Feb 19, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

FWIW

Burroughs hits righties well. If Valencia struggles through June (yeah, I give him til then), then Burroughs would make a great platoon partner for him.

by Caleb A on Feb 19, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Wilson Betemit

He’d also be someone to look at. He hits righties really well as well.

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by MauerFan on Feb 19, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I was going to say

Also, we have signed Burroughs and some in the organization (e.g. Gene Glynn) think he will go north with the team, as a platoon for Valencia and Doumit. At least to start the year, I’d rather have him than either Tosoni or Parmelee, the other candidates for lefty bat off the bench.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Feb 19, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Dark Horse

Brian Dozer has the potential to be a solid player, if he gets the at-bats. He won’t be amazing, but if he’s shown that he has a good eye at the plate, and if he can have an OBP in the .325-.335 range he would be a serviceable player.

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by MauerFan on Feb 18, 2012 5:52 PM EST reply actions  

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