If Oswalt's price tag dwindles would you be behind him waltzing In?
I know its late, its late in the game. Our FA moves and money pool is all but taken care of. We're composed, healthy, focused and energized for the upcoming season. Soley focusing on ST and all the players, aside from just the pitchers and catchers reporting to camp. Our front office thinks we're likely all "tapped out" financially but in the same token seems to feel comfortable with the roster they've assembled and patched up. Sure I'd personally rather spend 75-90 Million a year TOPS then purge over the Century mark. More than a 100 $ Million dollar payroll makes me cringe a bit.
Joel Zumaya is no sure thing, in fact he may not pitch more than a dozen innings of baseball for the Twins in the regular season. The bullpen? I'm not too worried about it, with 97 players in camp this year, i think 1 of Burton, Wise, Bulger, Gray, Thompson could really fill some shoes. Plus, we have so many relief pitchers already in the org. in the AA / AAA levels....Guys like Gutierrez, Burnett, Guerra, Waldrop, Bromberg surely 1 of them will break out.
With a healthy Capps and Perkins leading the way i'm confident if we're winning and things are going Extremely well we'll be able to find another Brian Fuentes at the Trade Deadline in July/ August to give us that extra punch. (and more importantly Perkins some rest)
Where my issue enlies is the starting rotation: Baker, Pavano, Liriano, and Marquis and Blackburn are who they are. More or less they eat innings when healthy, pitch to contact, give up homers but not walks and are comfortable surrendering runs. Its largely the Twins way, and i'm fine with the philoshpy its worked and is proven, even if the game is evolving a bit. But i just don't forsee Liriano being the 2010 version again. At least not any time soon. He seems to have lost a little bit of passion, his fire, and even his youth. He doesn't work out, he doesn't stay in top end shape, he doesn't do the things we need him to do and the person we need him to be well enough. Scott Baker on the other hand is the opposite, but is he durable enough to withstand a 200+ inning season while not losing his affectivness in a post-season series? , its hard to say. Pavano is getting up in age, its well documented he's lost 2 MPH's on his Fastball his K rates are continuing to spiral downward and he can't be the horse at the top end of one's rotation any longer. He's more of a #3 or #4 starter today. Blackburn could bounce back, hopefully in a big way. But Roy Oswalt, 1 season of Roy Oswalt could be a game changer. He's a proven horse, or poney who brings a strikeout rate not present with any of our current starters. Assuming his back doesn't bark up he's a guy even at his advanced age who should front our staff in both quality and quantity of innings pitched. (assuming Pav doesn't go 220 IP again)
If the Twins think Joel Zumaya is a well suited calculated risk for this club, I don't see how Roy Oswalt at less than six or seven million is any different. Especially for 1 season.
I'm not saying I know what he and his agent are asking for in a deal, it was believed to have come down below the $ 9 Million dollar mark and dropping last I read/heard about a month ago.
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Sure I’d personally rather spend 75-90 Million a year TOPS then purge over the Century mark. More than a 100 $ Million dollar payroll makes me cringe a bit.
Honestly curious why you feel this way. I can think of a few directions you could go with it, but I want you to expand on it a bit before I say something that may or may not speak to your feelings.
I never understand statements like the one quoted.
I mean, is it your money or something?
by tobynotjason on Feb 21, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions
Glad to. I've been a fan since 1991. Have followed the Twins religiously since 2000.
Part of what makes the Twins fun, is Home Grown talent. That is part of what drawn me or lured me in to fanship, the underdog story. Home Grown players for obvious reasons costs less money. Which for even MORE obvious reasons is better for business as a whole, a better product.
That is who we are, its the Twins identity, drafting and developing players and building a team, a roster with largely our entire makeup of guys who are under team control, not neccesarily ever needed to be signed to long-term contracts.
Just recycling guys who hit 6 years of service time with you, with guys who are just coming up from the minor league system IS AN OPTION.
I’m all for a Joe Mauer getting a 10 year deal, so you have that someone to build around. Every team needs someone like this or maybe even 2 or 3 players like this. Someone’s Evan Longoria, or Jay Bruce or Derek Jeter/ Robinson Cano.
For us it is Joe Mauer and unfornately only Joe Mauer.
But MORE > Less ? (as in more money is > than Less money)
Absolutely not.
More money does not equal better. Have the Yankees brainwashed you?
So many of you seem soooo content, happy or are so accepting of this $100MM dollar piece of crap roster we’ve put out.
If the Tampa Bay Rays were going to use $100 Million dollars they’d put out twice as much WPA or WAR on their collective 25 man roster.
Don’t get me wrong I’m all for MORE revenue, I’m all for more ticket sales a growing and widening fan base. A more intelligent Front Office with very passionate fans and fans that are some of the most intelligent people in the baseball world.
Is this the right time to spend the $100 Million dollars though? If its going to be every year 100-120 or even more than fine I get it. I see the end all. But in seasons like these we really want to spend this much money?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/photo-logan-morrison-bryan-petersen-share-tub-drink-043548597.html
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Feb 21, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
Baically what i'm saying is.... as Our Revenue and money continues to evolve.
Our front Office and Our oranizational philosphy’s need to evolve also.
Otherwise if they do not properly correlate with one another, you’re organization is in big trouble.
And so far, I haven’t seen that the Twins understand that. Going out and making the moves this off-season may seem nice to some, maybe many. Put to me they look nothing more than like, " Quick lets patch our holes, our mistakes and try to right this ship before it sinks farther THE QUICK FIX."
Sure we may outplay expectations, we may do better than the #’s and stats say we should.
Great but for 1 Season?
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/photo-logan-morrison-bryan-petersen-share-tub-drink-043548597.html
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Feb 21, 2012 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
it may look as if this post contradicts everything i'm saying in the fanpost above.
However, if the Twins decided to go for it this year, as they clearly have with the multiple signings and competitve spending.
Than why go half-ass , if you’re going to try to be competitve this year… then they better spend ALL the money they can, I.E. ….another bullpen arm, Roy Oswalt and Jose Molina would all be neccesary for me in this situation.
But it looks like the Twins are content with “half-assing it”
just saying
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/photo-logan-morrison-bryan-petersen-share-tub-drink-043548597.html
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Feb 23, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
sorry bad habit
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by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Feb 22, 2012 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
Racist.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"Tell Gardy there's nobody around to protect him now." Ozzie Guillen
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Feb 22, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
This fanpost finally pushed Jessy S's made up game fanpost off the front page.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"Tell Gardy there's nobody around to protect him now." Ozzie Guillen
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Feb 20, 2012 9:40 PM EST reply actions
And thus he ceases to exist...
"Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona." ~George F. Will
I voted "Is it April yet?"
But, if Oswalt is really wanting to accept a low ball offer like 5m (if hes healthy, he’s probably worth closer to 10), I’d probably do it.
"Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona." ~George F. Will
willing, not wanting.... that was gonna drive me crazy.
"Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona." ~George F. Will
I'm not old enough to get this reference...
I know who Kenny Rogers is, and I know what redux means but the two together….
"Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona." ~George F. Will
We signed Rogers in spring training in '94 for $2 mil
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
2003, not 1994
It wasn’t THAT long ago. Rogers was the guy left without a chair at the end of the free agent musical chairs. The Twins picked him up and moved Santana to the bullpen to start the season. This pissed off Johan (he was the best pitcher on the team) but limited his increase in innings and probably kept him healthy longer. In hindsight the best move would have been banishing Joe Mays to the bullpen at the start of the year.
Sorry, brain fart.
I agree with the consequences to Johan. I think he carried that grudge the rest of his time with the Twins.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
I was thinking about Kenny Rogers the singer
I guess I was a ways off…
"Baseball, it is said, is only a game. True. And the Grand Canyon is only a hole in Arizona." ~George F. Will
Oswalt's our knight in shining armor
And we love him?
Roasted.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"Tell Gardy there's nobody around to protect him now." Ozzie Guillen
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Feb 23, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions
Of course...
but he has no interest in coming here. He knows he is going to get around $10M from someone, sometime ~ he will still get to chose where that is, and it won’t be with the Twins.
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If he was going to get 10 milllion, he’d have already gotten it.
by Brady Eyestone on Feb 21, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely disagree....
He’s only going to get $ 10 Million at this point, if someone’s Justin Verlander or Clayton Kershaw goes down early in Spring Training.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/photo-logan-morrison-bryan-petersen-share-tub-drink-043548597.html
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Feb 21, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions
Even if the Twins decided to try and pony up 8 mil or so
I seriously doubt he would come here, he has made it pretty clear he wants to go to Texas or St Louis and hes already turned down decent offers from the Tigers and Indians. Sure I would like them to sign him but its not going to happen.
first-worst-first?
I'm suprised so many of you feeel this way, Why wouldn't Oswalt want to come here?
He’s pretty much guaranteed a starting spot… There’s a lot of teams out there he couldn’t actually say that.
Also Target Field should be an attractive place for a SP, like Roy right now.
I mean its one thing if the Twins, arn’t willing to meet his demands at maybe 8 or 9 Million, if so than Fine.
But my whole premise is based on if that # continues to drop, which it should by now.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/photo-logan-morrison-bryan-petersen-share-tub-drink-043548597.html
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Feb 21, 2012 5:27 PM EST up reply actions
he has already turned down multiple teams offering him 8+ million
He really just wants to go to Texas but is considering strong world series contenders like St.Louis and Boston as well. At the stage of his career he is in he is being very selective of his next team and the Twins just don’t fit that profile.
first-worst-first?
by holymackerel on Feb 21, 2012 7:59 PM EST up reply actions
He might not have a choice
It’s not his market. Rogers had this problem. After making double digit millions, he couldn’t accept that his true market value was only $2 million. I’m not saying Oswalt is going to go for that. But he is not gaining bargaining power by waiting.
"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot
I agree. At one time maybe you say man he's almost worth about as much as Buerhle
for 1 year.
But now, i just don’t see it.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/photo-logan-morrison-bryan-petersen-share-tub-drink-043548597.html
by SteveHoffmanSlowey on Feb 22, 2012 2:06 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with you both.
Buehrle is durable. Oswalt’s history with back problems diminishes his value in my eyes with small market teams that won’t take an expensive flyer on him.
Only if Oswalt waltzes in here
If he tap dances or hoedowns his way in, he’s Not The Kind We Want Here. If he busts out some “Breakin’ 2: Electric Boogaloo” moves, I’ll suspend judgement until the experts rule on his style. Salsa and tango are OK; lambada definitely is not. I’d be open to a Busby-Berkeley-style aquatic ballet number if it’s featured in a giant swimming pool erected on the infield before his first home start.
Steve Goodman lives.
Marlin fan.
"Don't take life for granted, because tomorrow isn't promised to any one of us." -Kirby Puckett
"Tell Gardy there's nobody around to protect him now." Ozzie Guillen
by less cowbell, more 'neau on Feb 22, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
My answer is
No. I wouldn’t mind. I wouldn’t mind at all. But my hopes, which were up for a while, before LaVelle said the Twins talked to him and he said he wanted to play for a contender, are pretty low.
by AM. on Feb 22, 2012 10:22 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I'm basically just echoing holymackerel above
But I can’t see Oswalt coming here. He seems to want only a couple teams, and it seems like the Twins are not one of them. He wants to win, and the Twins are no guarantee to make the playoffs this year, not with the Tigers in the same division.
I’m a little curious to know what Oswalt is thinking right now. Does he realize he’s screwing himself by being picky, or is he truly content with waiting for the right offer from the right team?
"Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it." - Ferris Bueller.
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