Tori Hunter should be traded now !!!!!!
Tori Hunter wants to go, let's trade him now Terry Ryan. Lets GET SERIOUS PEOPLE!!!! Would you want someone who is consistent and maybe someday want to be a Hall of Fame player, when he retires. Tori does not care about that he only want's the Money. He does not play intense at all, only when he want's the limelight for stealing a homerun from somebody big.
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Try harder next time...
Of course, based on your extremely short post, atrocious grammar, excessive use of capitalization, and your mispelling of Hunter's first name, I have no reason to believe you spent much time considering your position in the first place.
by ubelmann on Jan 2, 2006 1:20 PM EST 0 recs
I'm not really sure what side the originator is on
As for trading him, now's the time, Boston's the team, Marte's the man. That is, if I could call the shots for both teams (staying a Twins fan!).
by statman on
Jan 3, 2006 4:34 AM EST
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No way
by Nick Nelson on
Jan 3, 2006 3:14 PM EST
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Not diving so much as...
As for the diving part, watch sometime when he comes in for a catch, makes it, then afterwards does something acrobatic.
He's playing to Sportscenter, and I believe it's cost the Twins a few times, especially in Boston. I take nothing away from him in terms of his going all-out. He does give it his all.
by statman on
Jan 3, 2006 5:16 PM EST
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Full speed
Other times when he rolls, he's trying to keep from sliding too much on artificial turf, especially on his exposed arms. You can't argue with his leaping, especially not in that freaky geometry of Fenway, running full steam 70 yards for a ball into the triangle.
He is unique in the way he plays center, mostly because he goes all out and has to find some way to stop his momentum and get the ball back in. That is one trait that makes him the best at what he does.
Another is the fact that he has the best first step of anybody I've ever seen. Anyone at Bloggers Night who saw that catch will know what I mean. Perhaps Kirby could lope back and get that one, but Kirby played 40 feet deeper than Hunter does, which allows Hunter to get to an average of one shallow liner per game that Puckett wouldn't even bother to chase. And nobody would have ranged so far into the gap at the All-Star game, leaped 12 feet in into he air (including his glove) at full speed and brought down that rocket off the bat of Barry Bonds. It makes "The Catch" seem like child's play.
The third trait is his arm. I don't know any other center fielder who dives forward to get everything possible on a throw and can get a fast guy tagging up from third from medium deep center field. I've seen Hunter do it a dozen times at least.
I've watched a lot of baseball and I've never seen anybody better defensively, including Ken Griffey Jr. in his prime. That is why I'm so passionate about keeping him, unless Ryan is blown away with an offer he can't refuse.
by cmathewson on
Jan 3, 2006 5:46 PM EST
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Who is better than Torii?
by roger on
Jan 3, 2006 5:52 PM EST
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I agree
by cmathewson on
Jan 3, 2006 5:55 PM EST
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I did!
by roger on
Jan 3, 2006 6:28 PM EST
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Ug
I loath it when people say, "Oh well, you are too young to have seen them play, so your opinion doesn't count."
Example B:
Torii Hunter does not deserve to be the same sentece as Willie Mays. Including that one.
So those aren't examples. Just the same.
by AdamOnFirst on
Jan 6, 2006 12:13 AM EST
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Excuse me Adam
I was not referring to "someone being too young to have seen him play, therefore their opinion doesn't count." Rather, I was referring to myself being in my early teens and not appreciating Mays defense because of my youth. Yes Adam, I saw Mays play!
by roger on
Jan 6, 2006 7:55 AM EST
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Well
Do you agree though? I hate it at the end of an argument when the old person tries to pull that, well, you just weren't around crap. Usually, it is just when they know they are beat and it is all they have left because you have defeated their other points.
by AdamOnFirst on
Jan 7, 2006 12:34 AM EST
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Yes
by roger on
Jan 7, 2006 8:10 AM EST
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Agreed
My father grew up in Iowa, and there was a little minor league team nearby. It was a Giants franchise, so Mays came through for like, two months, then moved on up. It is kind of fun to think about...
Actually, that may have been the Minneapiolis Millers...
Well, at any rate, either my dad or step-dad went to a few of those games...
by AdamOnFirst on
Jan 7, 2006 12:39 PM EST
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Hunter's defense is Mays-like
There's a sentence for you that not only makes sense, but it's true. I also said Hunter would never do what Mays did offensively. There's another sentence containing both names that makes sense and is true. And I said, I never saw Mays play, but Hunter's the best I've ever seen (specifically about defense). There's a third sentence that both makes sense and is true.
Read, think, then write.
by cmathewson on
Jan 6, 2006 11:12 AM EST
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Only
Hunter is good, but Mays might be the best ever.
by AdamOnFirst on
Jan 7, 2006 12:33 AM EST
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I'll grant you that...
And I can say that on his greatest catch ever, Hunter, Jones, and Griffey in his prime would have it in their back pockets. Guys in those times did not have 10.0 speed in the 100 meters. Mays seemed superhuman compared to the lumbering center fielders of his day. I don't think he would seem that way today.
And I still contend that I have seen Hunter make five catches no other center fielder alive would even try for. The most memorable being the catch in the All Star game. I stil have a picture of that. With Ichiro standing next to him, Hunter's knees are above Ichiro's head. And he made the leap running full steam into the right-center gap, closer to right than center. I also remember a catch of a Carlos Lee drive in which Hunter grabbed the top of the short baggie in straight-away center with his right hand, pulled himself up to his waist and caught the line drive a full five feet above the wall. He did that after racing back to get it.
All I'm saying is this kind of defense is a treat to watch and to pitch in front of. It should not be so lightly cast aside because we think a guy makes more money than he's worth on the market , or we think he's got a big mouth, or we think he should hit like Mays.
by cmathewson on
Jan 7, 2006 12:00 PM EST
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One more thing
by cmathewson on
Jan 3, 2006 5:50 PM EST
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Reasons to keep Hunter
- He's the best defensive center fielder in the game. You want proof? Talk to any avanced scout.
- He's among the top center fielders in the AL in OPS. True, center fielders tend not to hit very well because teams value defense so much. And Hunter is not a great hitter like his predecessor (no not Rich Backer, Kirby Puckett). But he's a very good hitting center fielder.
- He is one of two AL center fielders who is a threat to hit home runs from the right side of the plate every time he comes up (Vernon Wells is the other). The Twins now have more pop from the right side, but because most of their top young hitters hit left handed, Hunter's right-handed power bat is especially important to this team.
- He hustles his butt off and runs into walls at full steam to get every out he can. This guy works very hard, probably harder than any other AL center fielder. You'd have to not really follow the Twins to say he doens't hustle.
- He wants to win. Some people interpret his comments in the newspaper and criticizing his team, his manager or his general manager. Yes, some of it is critical, but no more critical than any of us, his manager, or his coaches have been. Why have we been critical? Because we want the team to win and we're disappointed when they don't meet reasonable expectations. Hunter's views have been expressed by local bloggers over and over. Why are they seen as detrimental to the team just because they come out of his mouth?
- He is worth more to the Twins than TR can get in exchange. Every time someone suggests we trade Hunter, I ask, for whom? They either suggest that we take too little (Hunter for Marte straight up? Give me a break.), or they suggest more than other teams are willing to give up.
by cmathewson on Jan 2, 2006 1:22 PM EST 0 recs
Hunter for Marte
I think the real reason they won't trade Hunter right now is that it would seem to be giving up on the season, and though I disagree with that being the case, I understand it a little.
However, I think it is worth the risk to trade for a cheap potential superstar who could play a decent 3B, provide RH power, talk a walk, and bat .260 (my estimate) his first year. Somebody who has Shandler's 2006 book might enlighten us on his major league equivalents the last two years.
By the way, I'm reasonably high on rule V pick Pridie, whom I don't think the Rays thought would go (due to injury). They took Angel Garcia from the Twins with the first pick last year and returned him. Perhaps if Pridie can't stick, we can exchange the two.
by statman on
Jan 3, 2006 4:45 AM EST
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Respectfully disagree
Which is to say, it's a risk. Marte might turn out to be Albert Pujols or David McCarty. It's a pretty big gamble to put one of the top two or three center fielders in the AL into the pot in hopes that you can win the hand and get the best hitter around in two or three years. In exchange for that risk, Boston would need to up the ante by at least one proven major league hitter, preferably with power from the right side. Someone in the class of Craig Monroe or Kevin Mench.
And even if Boston did manage to trade, say Arroyo to the Rangers for Mench and ship him to the Twins with Marte for Hunter, it would be a tough fit for the Twins because Stewart's got left and the Twins hope Kubel (who I rate higher than Marte) takes over right at some point in 2006. With White at DH, there's no place for Mench.
Finally, say Marte is your third baseman of the future. What do you do with Moses, whom I rate higher than Duncan, all things consdered?
I'm not convinced even a Hunter for Mench and Marte is a good fit for this team. I do like Hunter for Wells, Koskie and cash, though. But I don't know why JP would do that deal.
by cmathewson on
Jan 3, 2006 10:30 AM EST
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Marte plus?
Both are LH, which is unfortunate, but would be able to come close to matching Hunter's D. Marte could be groomed to be the everyday 3B by July or August if Batista doesn't work out.
by snuessle on
Jan 3, 2006 12:05 PM EST
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Marte
by roger on
Jan 3, 2006 12:40 PM EST
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Still weakens the team
Also, I disagree that Patterson or Reed could give you what Hunter gives you in center. They could give you about what Ford would give you. And I think I'd rather have Ford than Patterson anyway. perhaps a Ford/Reed platoon would be OK, but I don't like the loss of range there.
I would go for Marte and Cameron. But my guess is the Padres want Cameron for his defense and the Red Sox have nobody to offer that could give them an adequate replacement. So now we're talking about a four-way deal. I don't know. It's fun to speculate, but it's probably tougher to pull it off than we might imagine.
by cmathewson on
Jan 3, 2006 1:00 PM EST
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Right...
Let's get serious people!... Whens the last time you DIDN'T see Torri sacrafice his body to dive for a ball or crash into a fence to make a sweet grab? An unfierce competitor wouldn't have messed up his ankle trying to make an insane catch by a wierd fenceline.
Do some research and have sound backup if you want to make a point.
by Petey on Jan 2, 2006 1:32 PM EST 0 recs
Trade
I might be ok with a deal with Toronto sending Hillenbrand and Wells over here for Hunter and Guerrier or Balfour.
by TheMattWilke on Jan 2, 2006 1:33 PM EST 0 recs
Hunter's cool with the Twins guys
On the Best Damn Sports Show a couple months ago, Hunter said he wants to stay with the Twins. They even pressed him on it, saying how could he possibly want to stay with the Twins. And he said, I think I want to finish up my career here.
Word.
by natetheskate on Jan 2, 2006 3:49 PM EST 0 recs
Next time
by WITwinsfan on Jan 2, 2006 9:12 PM EST 0 recs
Just a pet peeve creeping in here...
Also, I seriously went bonkers on someone for spelling, etc. one night after the bars closed. So, so sorry (it might have been the one who started this thread). I was too embarrassed the next day to read any post after my own.
Finally, none of that detracts from my yuck feelings for JJ as a player. :-) Let's go get Andy Marte now.
by statman on
Jan 3, 2006 4:54 AM EST
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We don't
by AdamOnFirst on Jan 6, 2006 12:37 AM EST 0 recs
in my opinion
by Pilargarza on Jan 17, 2007 1:26 AM EST 0 recs











