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No Whammies No Whammies No Whammies...CLARK!

Monroe AND Clark?

With the Arizona Diamondbacks not having any success trying to re-sign the 35-year old switch hitter, a number of sources have sited the Minnesota Twins expressing interest.  Tony Clark, who reportedly is seeking a two-year deal, is a target of a handful of teams; teams likely seeking an inexpensive bench option.

A career .265/.339/.491 hitter, Clark has had an on-base percentage higher than .310 only once since 2001.  With a string of injuries which fall under the "lingering and reoccurring" category more than they fall under the "serious" category, it has meant that the former power-hitter has largely been limited to backup and platoon duties.  While he still has the strength to force a ball over the fence, there is no speed left which means he is a strictly station-to-station runner if the ball stays in the park.

Splits
        VS LHP             VS RHP
Year    AVG   OBP   SLG    AVG   OBP   SLG

2002   .159  .188  .256   .228  .296  .306
2003   .279  .355  .500   .215  .279  .462
2004   .196  .242  .348   .236  .326  .522
2005   .313  .394  .539   .299  .352  .684
2006   .125  .276  .125   .213  .280  .417
2007   .219  .286  .438   .254  .314  .524

Over the last six seasons, Clark has had only one statistical performance that was anything more than mediocre.  He always has more at-bats as a left-handed hitter (facing right-handed pitchers), but it appears that what he loses more than anything as a right-handed batter is his power.  Batting averages and on-base percentages simply swing between low and lower.

At the same time, if the Twins are legitimately chasing Clark, they must realize what kind of a player he is at this point in his career.  Arizona gave him 221 at-bats in 113 games in 2007, which is exactly how he should be used should he become a Twin.  An occassional start is okay, but more than anything he should be a pinch hitter to be used versus right-handers.  Not because he's so much better at this specific skill than the other way around, but because it's the only part of his game left which can be classified as useful, and classified as better than anyone else the Twins could put on the bench.

In Replacing Torii Hunter I mentioned that the Twins would need to find imperfect players to replace Hunter's power, the most expensive of his attributes to replace.  Clark is one of those imperfect players.  If he signs, judge him as a player whose job is to make the bench better; as a player who can provide power off the bench late in the game, if nothing else.  This won't necessarily be a bad acquisition, as long as the Twins land position player improvements elsewhere.

Let's say the Twins do bring in Clark.  Is having both Tony Clark and Craig Monroe on the major league roster a good decision?  With Clark probably seeing limited time as a first baseman and designated hitter, how would this affect Monroe's playing time?  Monroe isn't fast enough to play center field, and with Cuddyer and Kubel penciled in as your other starting outfielders, is his potential pricetag (between $3.5 and $4 million should the Twins release/re-sign him...someone correct me if my estimate is off) worth his probable playing time?  You could be looking at a Monroe/Clark platoon at designated hitter; how much of an improvement is this over Jason Tyner, who is much cheaper between the two, and who hasn't had an on-base percentage lower than .331 since coming to Minnesota?

The larger question, the one guiding each one I asked in the previous paragraph, is this:  Is the money used on Monroe and (if it happens) Clark wisely spent?

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I couldn't contain my laughter after reading that title. Good work.

I wouldn't mind them getting Clark if they actually use him properly, as you said, but then I remember who our manager is and immediately envision 350+ at-bats for this veteran who battles his tail off.

Replace Nick Punto.

by rayken on Nov 18, 2007 12:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Clark's ABs
It's interesting to note that the one good year he's had over the last several came when the manager of the D-Bags actually played him regularly. Otherwise he's been a bench bat. Relative to other bench bats, he's been among the best in the NL. You can't expect a bench player to put up the kind of numbers a good regular puts up. It doesn't happen very often.

Still, I think there's hope that he could replicate his 2005 numbers given 350 ABs as the Twins primary DH, recognizing that Mauer will have his DH ABs and so will Kubel and Buscher and Monroe.

As far as having both Clark and Monroe, I think that's progress. For the last several years, the bench has been populated by four guys who hit like Jason Tyner and Luis Rodriguez. I would love to have some power on the bench for a change.

The largely untold story is the Twins are actually in pretty good position to spend the roughly $7 million it will take to get both Monroe and Clark under contract. Why? Most assume Hunter is a goner and Smith will find a much cheaper alternative. Also, Silva's money comes off the books in a year when raises have a marginal affect on the payroll. So Smith has more payroll flexibility to sign better players than Ryan did. And he's showing a willingness to play early in the market rather than wait for the field to be picked over before shopping at the bargain bin. That's a good sign.

"You're thinking too much. Just have fun." -- Bennie "The Jet" Rodriguez in Sandlot

by cmathewson on Nov 18, 2007 1:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yep...
sorry Jesse, but I have to kind of disagree on this one.  I would LOVE to have both Clark and Monroe on this team.  That represents a very nice (and cheap) DH platoon, if used properly, as you say.  I don't look at OBP as much as I look at OPS with those two.  I think it's reasonable that they could put up an .800 OPS from the DH spot next year in a proper platoon, and yes, that is WORLDS better than Tyner.  Basically they should be able to put up at least 20-80 from that spot as well, which again is a HUGE upgrade.

AND they help on then bench because Monroe is a solid 4th OF and Clark is a fine backup 1b.  I think we'd have a VERY solid group with those two.  You'd have something like:

Macri (assuming we get a real 3b)
Tyner
Clark/Monroe
Redmond
Machado or Punto (depending if Punto wins 2b)

That is MUCH better than:
LRod
Tyner
Ford
Redmond
G. Jones

For all of the talk about our holes at 3b/DH/CF (and rightfully so) our bench was also a huge problem.  Bill Smith will have gone a LONG way towards fixing that, and early, if he gets Clark too.

I gotta say, I've been very happy with Bill Smith in the early stages.  And he cut Heintz too!  Great work.

by djskilbr on Nov 18, 2007 3:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I didn't say
I didn't like having Clark and Monroe, I just asked if it was a wise use of funds.  Like I said, Clark would be a good pick up as long as he was used properly.  Using him in conjuction with Clark as the platoon DH definitely gives the position more pop.  That's not debatable.

Your point about improving the bench is right on.  With the gaps we had in the starting lineup last year, especially post-Castillo, it says something about how weak the bench really was.  Monroe and Clark would definitely beef it up a little.

by Jesse on Nov 18, 2007 4:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Got it Jesse...
I should have read more closely.

And I too LOVE that thread title.

by djskilbr on Nov 18, 2007 5:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's
that's not THAT cheap.  It'll be like 6 or 7 mil...
Baseball is great because you cant take a knee or kill the clock. You gotta put the ball over the plate and give the other guy his damn shot E Weaver abridged

by AdamOnFirst on Nov 18, 2007 11:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure about that Adam..
Monroe will probably get no more than $4 M, and might even get something like $3 M (I kind of see them non-tendering him, and then signing him quickly to avoid the 20% payroll decrease limit).  And Clark supposedly just wants $2 M per season.  

And really, $5-6 M for a DH AND essentially one bench player, plus the ability to both backup OF and 1b IS very cheap in this market.  

Very smart IMO.

by djskilbr on Nov 19, 2007 12:46 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yep
That is a good use of funds as you now have 85% of the DH covered with thses 2 (I expect to see Mauer at DH some)and several positions backed up at the same time for 7 million?  works for me.  

If they sign Patterson at CF for 7 million that still is an offensive improvement and near identical defense and more speed minus a million spent.  (For example)  I am still rooting for a trade for B.J. Upton.  Bonser, Blackburn, and Swarzak maybe? ok Garza and Blackburn...

The Twins still have plenty of money for 3b and to resign Santana.

by doofus04 on Nov 18, 2007 6:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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