Jesse Crain for 2008?
I have been on the record for expressing concern about trading Joe Nathan. The recent signings of Mike Lamb and Adam Everett make a trade unlikely this offseason, but even before those moves were made, my hope was that the Twins could fill holes through free agent signings and the Johan Santana trade.
The main reason for this is I just don't see any healthy closer candidates in the bullpen. Pat Neshek could become a closer, but after last season's second half collapse, that's a pretty risky proposition. Matt Guerrier is a good set-up man, but he blew almost as many leads as Neshek last year. Juan Rincon has been in steady decline the last three years and projects as a mop-up guy at this point. Dennys Reyes is likely a one-year wonder, and he's coming off of elbow surgery. Glen Perkins will likely be converted into a starter. Removing the Twins' best reliever from that mix makes the bullpen highly suspect. And trading the Twins best closer prospect in Eduardo Morlan makes a Nathan trade even more risky.
The one guy who could possibly close is a big question mark. Jesse Crain, who will be nine months removed from rotator cuff and labrum surgery when spring training begins, projected as a closer before he got sidetracked with the injuries and excessive tinkering by his pitching coach. If Crain comes back to his rookie form after recovery, Nathan might become expendable, but that's a big if. The near-term future of this bullpen rests on Crain's shoulder, so I'm trying to get as much info about it as I can.
I am inherently pessimistic about shoulder injuries, especially labrum injuries. Some guys like Nathan have come back from rotator cuff injuries to dominate, but it usually takes a couple of years to regain their former velocity. The prognosis on labrum injuries is worse. If you have both rotator cuff and labrum surgery, your career could be over, especially for a short reliever who relies more on stuff than guile.
My doctor friend who regularly talks with Dr. Steubs--the Twins designated joint cutter--gave me a little inside info on Crain. He said some shoulder surgeries are more clean-up jobs than major reconstruction. In these cases guys can return to their former selves (perhaps a little better) in one year or so. He said Crain is this kind of case. Both tears were small and clean, which makes the healing much more certain and predictable. So the Twins' published prognosis of nine to 12 months from last May, or in time for spring training, doesn't sound so outlandish at this time.
A little birdie filed this report in the Pioneer Press today. "Forgotten Twins reliever Jesse Crain, who was in town last week, is long tossing from 120 feet as part of his rehabilitation following rotator cuff surgery last May and is expected to be recovered for spring training."
I know we have to consider the source, but if this is true, it's really good news. A healthy and productive Crain gives the Twins a great midseason trade option in Nathan. But I wouldn't condone trading Nathan until Crain demonstrates against live major league hitters that he can consistently put zeros on the board. That was by no means certain before the surgery. And it remains to be seen if it will happen after the surgery. But if it happens, it could set the team up for a trade that completes the puzzle for this team to contend as early as 2009.
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However, I do agree with you that the Twins can't count on Crain for anything at this time. Still, if Santana is traded, does it make any sense to hold on to Nathan? A good closer isn't needed on a non-playoff contending team.
by dbimberg on
Dec 18, 2007 9:45 AM EST
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Losing is a disease
Plus, the Twins can trade him in July if they're offered a package better than a couple of former first-round draft picks. They wouldn't get any less for him at that time (they'd possibly get more). And they'd give the guys they have some hope of being competitive in the interim. That's the way I'm leaning anyway.
by cmathewson on
Dec 18, 2007 10:00 AM EST
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Even dealing Joe now, there's nothing that says a team will sign him or be able to sign him to a long-term contract. That's the gamble Joe gets to take...sign for 3-years and $25-30 million this winter, or hold out after a great '08 (one always looks positive) and get either a longer or bigger contract. At this stage, I'm sure Joe would like to see 4-5 years of money ratehr than 2 or even 3.
The Twins have a solid bullpen for '08 and they can shuffle a few guys in and out. I would think Liriano might start at AAA so someone (Bass, Balckburn) might start the season. Will Perkins be a long-man and then go abck to AAA to work up innings bugs to return as a starter in 2009?
Who do the Twins turn to as a long-man. I miss Guerrier in this role. Right now, between Neshek/Guerrier/Crain and Rincon, the Twins have at least one arm too many for the roles those guys play.
Reyes is a bargain at his $1+ million. Is there another lefty the Twins can use? Cali, DePaula, Mijares, Korecky...any of them long-guys, potential bullpen strengths, or just that 11th pitcher.
It would be ncie to see Nathan as a closer for at least half the season, if the starters can pitch 5-6 consistently and the hitters can keep the Twins in the game.
by twintown on
Dec 18, 2007 10:19 AM EST
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No, I'm not saying the Twins should give up on him as a starter. -But let's just say that he tweaks something again on the mound. The Twins might eventually decide that he's not durable enough to stay in the rotation. He does have 2 overpowering pitches in his fastball and slider. That's all you need to be a top closer.
Again, I'm not saying that the Twins should even consider this an option at this time. However, I do think that it could be a definite possibility in the future if he gets hurt again.
by Flip27 on
Dec 18, 2007 10:25 AM EST
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Long man
Supposing the Twins have the following rotation:
Liriano
Baker
Hughes/Lester
Bonser
Slowey/Perkins
I project Blackburn as the long man. Whoever does not win the fifth spot (probably Perkins) would go to AAA to get innings in.
by cmathewson on
Dec 18, 2007 10:30 AM EST
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by roger on
Dec 18, 2007 2:44 PM EST
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by cmathewson on
Dec 18, 2007 2:50 PM EST
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On Crain, great to hear. Completely agreed. We may wait until we see that he's healthy to deal Nathan for sure. One thing about the timing of a Nathan trade; it probably depends on what we want in return, or what we get in return for Johan (assuming he's dealt; I'm still hoping against hope he's not). For instance, if we want a major leaguer in return, it's probably tougher to trade him in the season. But if we want prospects, it's probably even easier.
Lastly, on Liriano, I too think he'll be in the rotation, and I want him there instead of AAA. You have to figure they'll have a cap on his innings this year, so I don't want us wasting any of those precious innings down in the minors. Get them all with the big club. Plus I trust Rick A. with him more than anything in the minors.
by djskilbr on
Dec 18, 2007 4:40 PM EST
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Just a note on labral tears
by vagabond on
Dec 18, 2007 9:18 PM EST
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sorry
by vagabond on
Dec 18, 2007 9:23 PM EST
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Thanks for that vagabond...
Also, just another note, Pat Neshek did say over at Seth's blog that Crain is feeling really good and throwing. And that he expects him to return strong.
He also said that he expects Rincon to bounce back as he went through a lot of personal issues last year.
I hope Pat's right on both counts!
by djskilbr on
Dec 18, 2007 9:53 PM EST
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I know Nathan would not object to go to a team in the hunt. He's said things to the effect that he doesn't see the point in a rebuilding project having much of a closer. I see him as a big pressure junkie. Nathan wants the ball in the pressure spot.
by AdamOnFirst on
Dec 18, 2007 11:48 PM EST
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by AdamOnFirst on
Dec 21, 2007 6:06 AM EST
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